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Title: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:19:10
Spent the last 9 hours building a server, a windows update trashed the firewall, won't download SP2, have to start all over again!  >:( >:(  Has to be working tomorrow.  :'(

Oh and despite saying that windows update issues are supported for free, they won't help me.  >:(
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 October 2007, 22:23:35
I lost count of the number of times I has to start from scratch the last (and only, believe me) time I had to install Windows Server. Then it was the same story when I tried to install Exchange >:(

I feel for you. Good luck.

Kevin
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:25:46
Fingers crossed that the repair function will fix it.  :-/
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2007, 22:26:26
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I lost count of the number of times I has to start from scratch the last (and only, believe me) time I had to install Windows Server. Then it was the same story when I tried to install Exchange >:(

I feel for you. Good luck.

Kevin
Oh boy, you wait until you try and make Exchange 2003 and Exchange 2007 coexist, then attempt to remove Exchange 2003....
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:31:58
Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2007, 22:34:26
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[
IE7!  There is a setting 'Programtically access clipboard'
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 October 2007, 22:34:53
I can only imagine. It's the downside of wizards when it comes to installation IMHO. Half way through installing Exchange you realise you've answered a question wrong when installing Windows Server but, because it was in a wizard, you're left with no idea where the setting is, or even if you can change it after installation, so you surf the net for an hour trying to find the answer, then mess about for another hour, then start again.  >:(

So, the Wizard means that you don't have to know your way around the whole damned system to install it, but you don't learn how to maintain it and configure it during that process, so when something doesn't go right or breaks later, you're guessing.

I know the alternatives are painful too but at least you can retrace your steps if you do something wrong.

Kevin
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:35:21
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[
IE7!  There is a setting 'Programtically access clipboard'
I stripped IE7 out.  Now IE6 is asking about the clipboard.
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 October 2007, 22:36:04
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Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.

Ahh, that's useful. I came across a machine that kept asking me that and it was a PITA. Just got to remember which machine it was now. ;)

Kevin
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2007, 22:38:16
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I can only imagine. It's the downside of wizards when it comes to installation IMHO. Half way through installing Exchange you realise you've answered a question wrong when installing Windows Server but, because it was in a wizard, you're left with no idea where the setting is, or even if you can change it after installation, so you surf the net for an hour trying to find the answer, then mess about for another hour, then start again.  >:(

So, the Wizard means that you don't have to know your way around the whole damned system to install it, but you don't learn how to maintain it and configure it during that process, so when something doesn't go right or breaks later, you're guessing.

I know the alternatives are painful too but at least you can retrace your steps if you do something wrong.

Kevin
 
Ex 2003, I'm pretty good at. Ex 2007 I'm still learning fast!
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 01 October 2007, 22:38:51
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[
IE7!  There is a setting 'Programtically access clipboard'
I stripped IE7 out.  Now IE6 is asking about the clipboard.
Its still got a load of IE7 in there then!
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:41:39
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[
IE7!  There is a setting 'Programtically access clipboard'
I stripped IE7 out.  Now IE6 is asking about the clipboard.
Its still got a load of IE7 in there then!
Yeah, another computer that got trashed with a windows update and needs rebuilding.  ::)
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Golfbuddy on 01 October 2007, 22:45:25
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[

Just in case, here is the link.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1161863590  :y
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Entwood on 01 October 2007, 22:49:14
Gert rid of IE and use Firefox ....  easier, better, less buggy and it ain't micros**t  ;)
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:56:15
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Gert rid of IE and use Firefox ....  easier, better, less buggy and it ain't micros**t  ;)
I had Firefox, but it wasn't any better.  IE7 trashed the firewall and FF couldn't do anything about it.
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: theolodian on 01 October 2007, 22:57:33
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Ruh roh!  Been saying Setup will complete in 39 minutes for a while now.  :(

Btw, how do I get this website to stop asking me about the clipboard every time I post?  I forgot.  :-[

Just in case, here is the link.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1161863590  :y
Ah, IE6 calls it "Allow paste operations via script".  Working now  :y
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 October 2007, 09:03:46
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Gert rid of IE and use Firefox ....  easier, better, less buggy and it ain't micros**t  ;)
The first 2 are opinion, the last is proven to be untrue - in the last 12 months, FF has had way more critical CERT warnings than IE...

Use Firefox if thats what you prefer, but do not get suckered in to the open source mindset that it is the most secure/bug free stuff out there, as Firefox actually has the worse record of the popular browsers...
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: sir moanalot on 02 October 2007, 19:30:47
the arsewipes took two lots of payments off of me for a microsoft one monitoring system. and could i find a contact number for them?? so emailed them about a fault (no options for "you are total turds and have billed me twice by mistake") this was 6 months ago and still not done anything about it.........these people drain me of the will to live..............
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: justme on 02 October 2007, 22:03:02
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Gert rid of IE and use Firefox ....  easier, better, less buggy and it ain't micros**t  ;)
The first 2 are opinion, the last is proven to be untrue - in the last 12 months, FF has had way more critical CERT warnings than IE...

Use Firefox if thats what you prefer, but do not get suckered in to the open source mindset that it is the most secure/bug free stuff out there, as Firefox actually has the worse record of the popular browsers...


courtesy of Mr gates
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 October 2007, 22:06:54
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Use Firefox if thats what you prefer, but do not get suckered in to the open source mindset that it is the most secure/bug free stuff out there, as Firefox actually has the worse record of the popular browsers...
And incidentally, the Linux kernel has had loads more CERT warnings that the Windows Kernels in the last 12 months, and that includes a new OS released in Nov (corporates)/Feb (Consumers)...
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Entwood on 02 October 2007, 22:29:53
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Use Firefox if thats what you prefer, but do not get suckered in to the open source mindset that it is the most secure/bug free stuff out there, as Firefox actually has the worse record of the popular browsers...
And incidentally, the Linux kernel has had loads more CERT warnings that the Windows Kernels in the last 12 months, and that includes a new OS released in Nov (corporates)/Feb (Consumers)...


There is a school of thought that both FF and Linux now have enough "general users" for the idiots that do these things to think it is now worth "attacking" .. up until now the user base was too small for it to be worth it ... which is used to explain the recent rise in CERT warnings ...  

Now how true that is I have no idea .. the logic makes sense .. I don't see latest versions of FF/ Linux suddenly being  LESS secure than older versions !!
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 October 2007, 22:32:24
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Use Firefox if thats what you prefer, but do not get suckered in to the open source mindset that it is the most secure/bug free stuff out there, as Firefox actually has the worse record of the popular browsers...
And incidentally, the Linux kernel has had loads more CERT warnings that the Windows Kernels in the last 12 months, and that includes a new OS released in Nov (corporates)/Feb (Consumers)...


There is a school of thought that both FF and Linux now have enough "general users" for the idiots that do these things to think it is now worth "attacking" .. up until now the user base was too small for it to be worth it ... which is used to explain the recent rise in CERT warnings ...  

Now how true that is I have no idea .. the logic makes sense .. I don't see latest versions of FF/ Linux suddenly being  LESS secure than older versions !!
Yes, I suscribe to that theory - remember the flaws they are finding now generally affect earlier versions as well.  I always said Windows took security flack due to its popularity...
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: TheBoy on 02 October 2007, 22:33:56
Incidentally, of all the Internet facing servers I have supported, a few without proper firewalls in front, the only ones that have been compromised through the OS itself have all been Linux ones...
Title: Re: G^£ D@"" Microsl#t!
Post by: Entwood on 02 October 2007, 22:40:00
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Incidentally, of all the Internet facing servers I have supported, a few without proper firewalls in front, the only ones that have been compromised through the OS itself have all been Linux ones...

I was at a security conference about 2 years ago when one of the speakers actually stated that his "prefered" server OS was a windows one ... his reasoning was that most high end servers used linux based OS, therefore any "serious" attacker would assume a windows based server to hold no worthwhile data and so not bother !!!! I won't comment on how THAT line of reasoning went down with the audience ..:)