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Gonna be using a Celeron 2.8Ghz.....with 512M RAM.....with 160Gb HD
Im gonna leave the HD in it for now.....as i also have a vid recorder with a 160GB HD as well and it must be poss to connect this up in the setup.
Im gonna get one or two digtital tv pci cards (one if you can get dual tuners cards)
Ive been having a look on MS site and it basically says tuner cards designed for MCE will be the way to go.....
So bearing in mind what i already have.....and it would be nice not to have a pc monitor next to the TV.....so a graphics for the pc with s video so i can view the pc on the tv.
What would you use and whats the best way to connect it all up.....including the vid recorder.
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Gonna be using a Celeron 2.8Ghz.....with 512M RAM.....with 160Gb HD
Im gonna leave the HD in it for now.....as i also have a vid recorder with a 160GB HD as well and it must be poss to connect this up in the setup.
Im gonna get one or two digtital tv pci cards (one if you can get dual tuners cards)
Ive been having a look on MS site and it basically says tuner cards designed for MCE will be the way to go.....
So bearing in mind what i already have.....and it would be nice not to have a pc monitor next to the TV.....so a graphics for the pc with s video so i can view the pc on the tv.
What would you use and whats the best way to connect it all up.....including the vid recorder.
God that all sounds pretty technical i wish i could Understand you :-/
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Gonna be using a Celeron 2.8Ghz.....with 512M RAM.....with 160Gb HD
Im gonna leave the HD in it for now.....as i also have a vid recorder with a 160GB HD as well and it must be poss to connect this up in the setup.
Im gonna get one or two digtital tv pci cards (one if you can get dual tuners cards)
Ive been having a look on MS site and it basically says tuner cards designed for MCE will be the way to go.....
So bearing in mind what i already have.....and it would be nice not to have a pc monitor next to the TV.....so a graphics for the pc with s video so i can view the pc on the tv.
What would you use and whats the best way to connect it all up.....including the vid recorder.
Hi,
Complicated environment.. :o
Cameras can be connected directly to the PC with a TV card (PCI) mosty with 4 connection (inlet) slots..
I think one PCI TV card will solve your problem..(dont understand why you need 2)
PC s with many PCI cards will suffer for performance and from time to time you will see crashes..
Another problem is video recording sofware use important amount of system resources
(in my home I use the recording PC for storage purposes only and small applications but I reach that PC from others with network)
One PC equipped with cameras and other equipment soon will suffer for space so you will need bigger disks. (if you dont clean them frequently)
Using one TV for all those equipment is possible but for initial configuration (at least) you need PC monitor (or new TVs which have similiar functions-not necessary S band)
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Gonna be using a Celeron 2.8Ghz.....with 512M RAM.....with 160Gb HD
Im gonna leave the HD in it for now.....as i also have a vid recorder with a 160GB HD as well and it must be poss to connect this up in the setup.
Im gonna get one or two digtital tv pci cards (one if you can get dual tuners cards)
Ive been having a look on MS site and it basically says tuner cards designed for MCE will be the way to go.....
So bearing in mind what i already have.....and it would be nice not to have a pc monitor next to the TV.....so a graphics for the pc with s video so i can view the pc on the tv.
What would you use and whats the best way to connect it all up.....including the vid recorder.
Hi,
Complicated environment.. :o
Cameras can be connected directly to the PC with a TV card (PCI) mosty with 4 connection (inlet) slots..
I think one PCI TV card will solve your problem..(dont understand why you need 2)
PC s with many PCI cards will suffer for performance and from time to time you will see crashes..
Another problem is video recording sofware use important amount of system resources
(in my home I use the recording PC for storage purposes only and small applications but I reach that PC from others with network)
One PC equipped with cameras and other equipment soon will suffer for space so you will need bigger disks. (if you dont clean them frequently)
Using one TV for all those equipment is possible but for initial configuration (at least) you need PC monitor (or new TVs which have similiar functions-not necessary S band)
Sorry slight confusion here......vid recorder is not a camera.....its a just a recorder with 160G HD and a dvd burner in it.
I want two digital tuners (or one dual card) so that i can either record two diff progs at the same time or watch one whilst recording another :y
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Gonna be using a Celeron 2.8Ghz.....with 512M RAM.....with 160Gb HD
Im gonna leave the HD in it for now.....as i also have a vid recorder with a 160GB HD as well and it must be poss to connect this up in the setup.
Im gonna get one or two digtital tv pci cards (one if you can get dual tuners cards)
Ive been having a look on MS site and it basically says tuner cards designed for MCE will be the way to go.....
So bearing in mind what i already have.....and it would be nice not to have a pc monitor next to the TV.....so a graphics for the pc with s video so i can view the pc on the tv.
What would you use and whats the best way to connect it all up.....including the vid recorder.
Hi,
Complicated environment.. :o
Cameras can be connected directly to the PC with a TV card (PCI) mosty with 4 connection (inlet) slots..
I think one PCI TV card will solve your problem..(dont understand why you need 2)
PC s with many PCI cards will suffer for performance and from time to time you will see crashes..
Another problem is video recording sofware use important amount of system resources
(in my home I use the recording PC for storage purposes only and small applications but I reach that PC from others with network)
One PC equipped with cameras and other equipment soon will suffer for space so you will need bigger disks. (if you dont clean them frequently)
Using one TV for all those equipment is possible but for initial configuration (at least) you need PC monitor (or new TVs which have similiar functions-not necessary S band)
Sorry slight confusion here......vid recorder is not a camera.....its a just a recorder with 160G HD and a dvd burner in it.
I want two digital tuners (or one dual card) so that i can either record two diff progs at the same time or watch one whilst recording another :y
This changes the picture ..
Whatever option you choose go for lesser PCI slots..
And I think dual cards will be better hardware solution ..
But also there are digital tuners (seperate equipment) that can do these functions very detailed and more expensive way :(
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Few things TD... ...as you know I am an MCE fan.
Stick to XP MCE for now, Vista home premium needs massive resources to run the MCE part.
What TV have you got? Do not use S-Video - this will (within the card's hardware layer) resize to 640x480, whatever your resolution is. Use VGA or DVI if possible, If you can't, let me know, there is another solution, but its not pretty, and a PITA.
If you are planning on using S3 standby, build the OS with S3 enabled in BIOS - not starightforward to rejig after (HAL change).
If you are using S3, ensure your mobo can wake from USB (ie the remote).
If you are using S3, avoid USB based TV cards (that includes many PCI ones, such as Hauppauge Nova T 500 Dual tuner which is 2 usb tuners connected to a USB hub all on a single PCI card). Windows/S3/USB is always touchy.
Do not install loads of software, particularly codec packs, as MCE doesn't like it. The only codec you need is ffdshow.
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Few things TD... ...as you know I am an MCE fan.
Stick to XP MCE for now, Vista home premium needs massive resources to run the MCE part.
What TV have you got? Do not use S-Video - this will (within the card's hardware layer) resize to 640x480, whatever your resolution is. Use VGA or DVI if possible, If you can't, let me know, there is another solution, but its not pretty, and a PITA.
If you are planning on using S3 standby, build the OS with S3 enabled in BIOS - not starightforward to rejig after (HAL change).
If you are using S3, ensure your mobo can wake from USB (ie the remote).
If you are using S3, avoid USB based TV cards (that includes many PCI ones, such as Hauppauge Nova T 500 Dual tuner which is 2 usb tuners connected to a USB hub all on a single PCI card). Windows/S3/USB is always touchy.
Do not install loads of software, particularly codec packs, as MCE doesn't like it. The only codec you need is ffdshow.
Yep, will be using XP MCE :y
As for TV.....it'll only upset you if i mention the make ;D
But i think it only has scart and s video inputs.....theres red/yellow/white connectors under the flap on the front.....i think thats video and sound in.....can they be used?? :-/
S3...Hmmm.....hadnt thought of that....good job i asked then ;D
Just been throught all the bios settings on the mobo......S3 isnt mentioned as far as i can see :(
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S3, may also be called STR.
Forget the s-video (yellow) input. Do you have a spare SCART that supports RGB and an ATI VGA card?
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Recomendations for MCE? Don't you mean MICE? Anyway, I thought you'd got rid ;)
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hauppage tv cards are really good. I think their new one is a dual freeview digital .
Matt
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What inputs do you have on the TV Dave? I'm running mine on a DVI to HDMI cable into the HDMI port on the TV. Just need to use the DVI monitor port on your video card then.
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hauppage tv cards are really good. I think their new one is a dual freeview digital .
Matt
Except its bloody useless for MCE. Its USB based, and Windows, S3 standby, and USB is a poor combination.
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Stay away from pinnacle tuners, I've had a load of probs with mine.
Have to go through the retuning every time I reboot the bloody thing.
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I have a K World PCI Freeview card..No problems with it.. :y
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I have a Nova-T (single) tuner card and it works very well as a DVB tuner.
Kevin
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I have a Nova-T (single) tuner card and it works very well as a DVB tuner.
Kevin
Yes, and works very well in MCE - if you have enough PCI slots (and 5vsb power!).
The Nova 500 DT dual tuner (2 usb tuners and a USB bridge on a PCI card) is too problematic coming out of standby.
I currently have 2 Nova 500 DTs and a Nova T (5 tuners in total) in my MCE - please note, MCE cannot automatically set up more than 2 tuners.
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S3, may also be called STR.
Forget the s-video (yellow) input. Do you have a spare SCART that supports RGB and an ATI VGA card?
Thats S video as well then?.....its a yellow phono connector next to a 4 pin connector thats marked s video.
According to this.......
http://www.kv32tweak.freeuk.com/manuals/32fx60u.pdf
Yes it does have a scart that supports RGB
Carnt find an ATI VGA card.....tho should be able to get one easily :y
Just found an external pc tuner box....rgb in rgb out......brand new in a box.....havent a clue why/when i bought that ;D
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When I had the Sony CRT, I made this...
http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html
HTH
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Recomendations for MCE? Don't you mean MICE? Anyway, I thought you'd got rid ;)
No AA....not MICE....MCE, its a new fangled thingy.....well not that new actually....but a bit newer than that betamax vcr youve probably got ;D ;)
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When I had the Sony CRT, I made this...
http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html
HTH
scart conversion really good job... :y
using a pc monitor for initial configuration for five minutes is more easy for me..
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When I had the Sony CRT, I made this...
http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html
HTH
Good info :y
Tho soldering using microscopes years ago.....has knackered my close up vision (probably need glasses)
so.....this might be an alternative?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Laptop-PC-VGA-to-AV-TV-converter-Scart-Adapter-III_W0QQitemZ250172037099QQihZ015QQcategoryZ67859QQcmdZViewItem
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You might want to consider Nebula cards. They do both PCI and USB plug ins that can be mixed. One advantage that the others don't seem to do, is on Freeview, Nebula lets you watch the whole Multiplex, eg I am currently recording CH4, but can change to watch CH4+1, ITV1, More 4, ITV4, E4, CITV at the same time. In fact you can record the whole multiplex at once, (if your HD is big enough!). A pretty good setup is if you have 2 Nebula cards, then you can watch/record 2 full multiplexes of channels at once. Trouble is watching it all!. Also, If your card develops a fault, then Nebula will repair it for you, for about £25. I had a problem with a repaired card, wrote them a letter, and they said "send it in, it will be fixed for free". Its A British Company, a rare thing these days. The software is a bit idiosincratic, but works fairly well, once you understand it. There is also a fairly good independent Forum http://www.digitv-forum.co.uk that helps out with problems. Quite a few of them run multiple Nebula card systems, so lots of advice, and you can see the problems they have, and how they got around them. Some of the Guys have four or five cards in at once, so that's about 30 channels, you better have a very large HD!. My faulty card is a bit of an exception, there are people still running the original cards. As I said in the begining, trouble is finding enough time to watch all the video you have recorded !!!, just as well plug-in USB Hard drives are so cheap !!!!. Oh I forgot to mention, I use the standard XPpro OS, purely because it can cope with large file systems. The later OS's are a bit of a pain in the ..........
Ken
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When I had the Sony CRT, I made this...
http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html
HTH
scart conversion really good job... :y
using a pc monitor for initial configuration for five minutes is more easy for me..
Problem I found was Powerstrip software was a bugger to set up on my old 100Hz Sony. My tip - ensure you have something like VNC 100% workign before installing Powerstrip!!
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You might want to consider Nebula cards. They do both PCI and USB plug ins that can be mixed. One advantage that the others don't seem to do, is on Freeview, Nebula lets you watch the whole Multiplex, eg I am currently recording CH4, but can change to watch CH4+1, ITV1, More 4, ITV4, E4, CITV at the same time. In fact you can record the whole multiplex at once, (if your HD is big enough!). A pretty good setup is if you have 2 Nebula cards, then you can watch/record 2 full multiplexes of channels at once. Trouble is watching it all!. Also, If your card develops a fault, then Nebula will repair it for you, for about £25. I had a problem with a repaired card, wrote them a letter, and they said "send it in, it will be fixed for free". Its A British Company, a rare thing these days. The software is a bit idiosincratic, but works fairly well, once you understand it. There is also a fairly good independent Forum http://www.digitv-forum.co.uk that helps out with problems. Quite a few of them run multiple Nebula card systems, so lots of advice, and you can see the problems they have, and how they got around them. Some of the Guys have four or five cards in at once, so that's about 30 channels, you better have a very large HD!. My faulty card is a bit of an exception, there are people still running the original cards. As I said in the begining, trouble is finding enough time to watch all the video you have recorded !!!, just as well plug-in USB Hard drives are so cheap !!!!. Oh I forgot to mention, I use the standard XPpro OS, purely because it can cope with large file systems. The later OS's are a bit of a pain in the ..........
Ken
Heard good things about the Nebula cards. Not sure if they have BDA drivers (required for MCE), as all Nebula users I know use their software.
MCE will not be able to access more than 1 channel per tuner simultaneously.
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hauppage tv cards are really good. I think their new one is a dual freeview digital .
Matt
The trouble with Hauppage is that they're not very standards-compliant. So they work fine with Hauppage software, but not with anything else. I have a quad-input Osprey card, which seems compatible with everything I've tried...
Baz.
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S3, may also be called STR.
Forget the s-video (yellow) input. Do you have a spare SCART that supports RGB and an ATI VGA card?
Been having another look in the bois and iv found it.... :y
STR changed from disabled to auto
Anything else to change on the page of options..... :-/
Repost video on STR resume - No
Restore on AC/Power Loss - Power off
Ring-in power on - disabled
PCI devices power on - disabled
PS/2 keyboard power on - disabled
RTC Alarm power on - disabled
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You might want to consider Nebula cards. They do both PCI and USB plug ins that can be mixed. One advantage that the others don't seem to do, is on Freeview, Nebula lets you watch the whole Multiplex, eg I am currently recording CH4, but can change to watch CH4+1, ITV1, More 4, ITV4, E4, CITV at the same time. In fact you can record the whole multiplex at once, (if your HD is big enough!). A pretty good setup is if you have 2 Nebula cards, then you can watch/record 2 full multiplexes of channels at once. Trouble is watching it all!. Also, If your card develops a fault, then Nebula will repair it for you, for about £25. I had a problem with a repaired card, wrote them a letter, and they said "send it in, it will be fixed for free". Its A British Company, a rare thing these days. The software is a bit idiosincratic, but works fairly well, once you understand it. There is also a fairly good independent Forum http://www.digitv-forum.co.uk that helps out with problems. Quite a few of them run multiple Nebula card systems, so lots of advice, and you can see the problems they have, and how they got around them. Some of the Guys have four or five cards in at once, so that's about 30 channels, you better have a very large HD!. My faulty card is a bit of an exception, there are people still running the original cards. As I said in the begining, trouble is finding enough time to watch all the video you have recorded !!!, just as well plug-in USB Hard drives are so cheap !!!!. Oh I forgot to mention, I use the standard XPpro OS, purely because it can cope with large file systems. The later OS's are a bit of a pain in the ..........
Ken
Heard good things about the Nebula cards. Not sure if they have BDA drivers (required for MCE), as all Nebula users I know use their software.
MCE will not be able to access more than 1 channel per tuner simultaneously.
So if it says on the box....of any manu....summat like "built for XP MCE" i should be ok?
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You might want to consider Nebula cards. They do both PCI and USB plug ins that can be mixed. One advantage that the others don't seem to do, is on Freeview, Nebula lets you watch the whole Multiplex, eg I am currently recording CH4, but can change to watch CH4+1, ITV1, More 4, ITV4, E4, CITV at the same time. In fact you can record the whole multiplex at once, (if your HD is big enough!). A pretty good setup is if you have 2 Nebula cards, then you can watch/record 2 full multiplexes of channels at once. Trouble is watching it all!. Also, If your card develops a fault, then Nebula will repair it for you, for about £25. I had a problem with a repaired card, wrote them a letter, and they said "send it in, it will be fixed for free". Its A British Company, a rare thing these days. The software is a bit idiosincratic, but works fairly well, once you understand it. There is also a fairly good independent Forum http://www.digitv-forum.co.uk that helps out with problems. Quite a few of them run multiple Nebula card systems, so lots of advice, and you can see the problems they have, and how they got around them. Some of the Guys have four or five cards in at once, so that's about 30 channels, you better have a very large HD!. My faulty card is a bit of an exception, there are people still running the original cards. As I said in the begining, trouble is finding enough time to watch all the video you have recorded !!!, just as well plug-in USB Hard drives are so cheap !!!!. Oh I forgot to mention, I use the standard XPpro OS, purely because it can cope with large file systems. The later OS's are a bit of a pain in the ..........
Ken
Heard good things about the Nebula cards. Not sure if they have BDA drivers (required for MCE), as all Nebula users I know use their software.
MCE will not be able to access more than 1 channel per tuner simultaneously.
So if it says on the box....of any manu....summat like "built for XP MCE" i should be ok?
The Hauppauge Nova 500 DT say built for MCE. The retail ones are useless with MCE due to standby issues. Simply cannot recommend them. Apparently the OEM ones, as they are missing the IR port, are much more stable, though Hauppauge tech support say both cards are identical if external IR not plugged in.
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You might want to consider Nebula cards. They do both PCI and USB plug ins that can be mixed. One advantage that the others don't seem to do, is on Freeview, Nebula lets you watch the whole Multiplex, eg I am currently recording CH4, but can change to watch CH4+1, ITV1, More 4, ITV4, E4, CITV at the same time. In fact you can record the whole multiplex at once, (if your HD is big enough!). A pretty good setup is if you have 2 Nebula cards, then you can watch/record 2 full multiplexes of channels at once. Trouble is watching it all!. Also, If your card develops a fault, then Nebula will repair it for you, for about £25. I had a problem with a repaired card, wrote them a letter, and they said "send it in, it will be fixed for free". Its A British Company, a rare thing these days. The software is a bit idiosincratic, but works fairly well, once you understand it. There is also a fairly good independent Forum http://www.digitv-forum.co.uk that helps out with problems. Quite a few of them run multiple Nebula card systems, so lots of advice, and you can see the problems they have, and how they got around them. Some of the Guys have four or five cards in at once, so that's about 30 channels, you better have a very large HD!. My faulty card is a bit of an exception, there are people still running the original cards. As I said in the begining, trouble is finding enough time to watch all the video you have recorded !!!, just as well plug-in USB Hard drives are so cheap !!!!. Oh I forgot to mention, I use the standard XPpro OS, purely because it can cope with large file systems. The later OS's are a bit of a pain in the ..........
Ken
Heard good things about the Nebula cards. Not sure if they have BDA drivers (required for MCE), as all Nebula users I know use their software.
MCE will not be able to access more than 1 channel per tuner simultaneously.
So if it says on the box....of any manu....summat like "built for XP MCE" i should be ok?
The Hauppauge Nova 500 DT say built for MCE. The retail ones are useless with MCE due to standby issues. Simply cannot recommend them. Apparently the OEM ones, as they are missing the IR port, are much more stable, though Hauppauge tech support say both cards are identical if external IR not plugged in.
Oh :(
This is getting difficult now on which cards to go for :-/
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If you have enough slots and enough 5vsb, the single tuner hauppauge ones worked well for me :) - but you need and aerial amp/splitter, as they drag down signal
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If you have enough slots and enough 5vsb, the single tuner hauppauge ones worked well for me :) - but you need and aerial amp/splitter, as they drag down signal
Theres 5 pci slots.....the aerial should be good enuf.....spent £130 last year on new aerial and cable......but bloody topuptv freeview box is still trying to get signal off oxford transmitter.....when the aerial is pointing to medips transmitter....and gives perfect picture on analogue >:(
Hence why im giving up with it ;)
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If you have enough slots and enough 5vsb, the single tuner hauppauge ones worked well for me :) - but you need and aerial amp/splitter, as they drag down signal
Theres 5 pci slots.....the aerial should be good enuf.....spent £130 last year on new aerial and cable......but bloody topuptv freeview box is still trying to get signal off oxford transmitter.....when the aerial is pointing to medips transmitter....and gives perfect picture on analogue >:(
Hence why im giving up with it ;)
Oh, you will still need an amp/splitter behind the MCE to power a couple of those cards ;)
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If you have enough slots and enough 5vsb, the single tuner hauppauge ones worked well for me :) - but you need and aerial amp/splitter, as they drag down signal
Theres 5 pci slots.....the aerial should be good enuf.....spent £130 last year on new aerial and cable......but bloody topuptv freeview box is still trying to get signal off oxford transmitter.....when the aerial is pointing to medips transmitter....and gives perfect picture on analogue >:(
Hence why im giving up with it ;)
Oh, you will still need an amp/splitter behind the MCE to power a couple of those cards ;)
There is :y...amp behind tv....giving two outputs.....tv aerial blokey that fitted the new aerial last year.....measured mendips and said gave a more powerful signal than oxford.....so pointed it that way.
ATM ones goes to topuptv box and other to vid recorder :y
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If you have enough slots and enough 5vsb, the single tuner hauppauge ones worked well for me :) - but you need and aerial amp/splitter, as they drag down signal
Theres 5 pci slots.....the aerial should be good enuf.....spent £130 last year on new aerial and cable......but bloody topuptv freeview box is still trying to get signal off oxford transmitter.....when the aerial is pointing to medips transmitter....and gives perfect picture on analogue >:(
Hence why im giving up with it ;)
Oh, you will still need an amp/splitter behind the MCE to power a couple of those cards ;)
There is :y...amp behind tv....giving two outputs.....tv aerial blokey that fitted the new aerial last year.....measured mendips and said gave a more powerful signal than oxford.....so pointed it that way.
ATM ones goes to topuptv box and other to vid recorder :y
Each of those MCE cards (single tuner hauppauge) will needs its own feed from amp, unless they have resolved that (unlikely)
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I did ask aerial blokey about fitting an aerial amplifier.....but he said the strength i was getting was ample and aeriel amplifier would overload the tv and vid recorder....and wouldn fit one.....just goes to show how crap topuptv boxes are >:(
EDIT....Mast amplifier i mean :y