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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 02 October 2007, 21:40:38
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As you can probably gather, I do not really know what I'm doing on this one, and out of my depth. But as the weekend is looking fine, and it may be the last decent weekend left, perhaps I should attempt it...
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I voted for 'with help' if, for no other reason, than to help holding/pulling/pushing bits or for a wee bit of simple reassurance.
Unless you really want to do it as a one man band, that is, for the sense of achievement...... 8-)
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Two heads are better than one as they say :y
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Have some help TB..
its better with 2 if only to blame the other for something :D
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Two heads are better than one as they say :y
No pun intended eh? ;D
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Two heads are better than one as they say :y
No pun intended eh? ;D
Only 1 on a tractor ;D
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Two heads are better than one as they say :y
No pun intended eh? ;D
Only 1 on a tractor ;D
but as you are swapping them .. you must have 2 ..... ?? ;D ;D ;D
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Two heads are better than one as they say :y
No pun intended eh? ;D
Only 1 on a tractor ;D
but as you are swapping them .. you must have 2 ..... ?? ;D ;D ;D
Good point, well presented :y
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if you need a hand Jamie PM me, always happy to muck in
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you can do a head on your own, but help is always good..
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Its a straight 6 head, and a big one at that. Any assistance from anyone would be greatfully received :)
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Its a straight 6 head, and a big one at that. Any assistance from anyone would be greatfully received :)
Although I'm little far, I'm voluntary
ps: problem is I'm not very good for repairing engines.. :)
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Its a straight 6 head, and a big one at that. Any assistance from anyone would be greatfully received :)
Although I'm little far, I'm voluntary
ps: problem is I'm not very good for repairing engines.. :)
LOL, may be a long way ;D
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long way is not important !! approx 3 hours from here with plane ...I like it working on engines with friends and learn too many..
but a 1500 $ is missing :)
ps: also I miss to see clouds and rain which is not existent here..
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Which day are you thinking,my son plays saturday football and sunday too, so depending on kick off times i'd be up for it,could also be available on a week day too if that helps...Wayne
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Saturday was the planned day...
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Ok,leave it with me,he has training for his saturday team tomorrow evening,had to call a match off last week due to injuries and the following wednesday only 6 turned up to training! so may well be called off again,i'll let you know tomorrow evening...Wayne
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Jamie, I am in nottingham this weekend, could pop down if you want some help, would be happy to help out
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Any help appreciated :y
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I will check with the wife....next weekend I think would be easier....but, I might be able to get down for a few hours.
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I will check with the wife....next weekend I think would be easier....but, I might be able to get down for a few hours.
Its not a disco :D
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I will check with the wife....next weekend I think would be easier....but, I might be able to get down for a few hours.
The reason I was going for this weekend is the weather looks nice, and this time of year, that may not happen again. I imagine doing it in the rain under a gazebo, as we did on the first engine swap, is less than ideal...
However, I'm nervous about attacking this without the help of one of the clever peeps, so will happily delay until next weekend if you can make then, and don't mind what the weather is doing?
Let me know asap :)
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I can come down if it's a week Sunday and
get in the way help.... well I can make the tea or summat.
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Is a 2 armed pensioner any good either ;)
;D :y
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Well, you could give helpful advice on how they used to do it in your day. How the price of bread is so much higher now and how you used to be able to buy 10 pints of mild, 20 capstan full strength, a fish supper and still have change from half a crown.
I'm sure your help would be greatly appreciated.
;D ;D ;D
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Is a 2 armed pensioner any good either ;)
;D :y
Cheeky s*d >:( ;)
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Well, you could give helpful advice on how they used to do it in your day. How the price of bread is so much higher now and how you used to be able to buy 10 pints of mild, 20 capstan full strength, a fish supper and still have change from half a crown.
I'm sure your help would be greatly appreciated.
;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Well, you could give helpful advice on how they used to do it in your day. How the price of bread is so much higher now and how you used to be able to buy 10 pints of mild, 20 capstan full strength, a fish supper and still have change from half a crown.
I'm sure your help would be greatly appreciated.
;D ;D ;D
Don't forget the tram fare home. ;D
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
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Well the voting seems to agree I should tackle this weekend, if I can get help :y
I would come, but I don't think a one-armed pensioner would be much help :(
Well, you could give helpful advice on how they used to do it in your day. How the price of bread is so much higher now and how you used to be able to buy 10 pints of mild, 20 capstan full strength, a fish supper and still have change from half a crown.
I'm sure your help would be greatly appreciated.
;D ;D ;D
Don't forget the tram fare home. ;D
And you tell that to the kids of today and they wouldn't believe you. ;D
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Anyway, once again, completely off track!
I am going to start removing donor head tomorrow morning. Wish me luck! Hopefully, I'll be able to get the job finished tomorrow.
Anyone at a loose end want to offer a hand, feel free - that head is going to be bloody heavy!
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Anyway, once again, completely off track!
I am going to start removing donor head tomorrow morning. Wish me luck! Hopefully, I'll be able to get the job finished tomorrow.
Anyone at a loose end want to offer a hand, feel free - that head is going to be bloody heavy!
dont hurry for finishing quickly (you may hurt yourself) ...Good Luck!!
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Anyway, once again, completely off track!
I am going to start removing donor head tomorrow morning. Wish me luck! Hopefully, I'll be able to get the job finished tomorrow.
Anyone at a loose end want to offer a hand, feel free - that head is going to be bloody heavy!
i'll see you tomorrow then, what time are you starting?
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Anyway, once again, completely off track!
I am going to start removing donor head tomorrow morning. Wish me luck! Hopefully, I'll be able to get the job finished tomorrow.
Anyone at a loose end want to offer a hand, feel free - that head is going to be bloody heavy!
Us go off track never ;D ::)
I would offer TB.....but Sat afternoon/evenings are a good earner.... :-[
If you get stuck and still need a hand mon/tues next week.....give me a shout.....i can get the bloody school run ive been lumbered with out the way 1st thing then come over :y
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Anyway, once again, completely off track!
I am going to start removing donor head tomorrow morning. Wish me luck! Hopefully, I'll be able to get the job finished tomorrow.
Anyone at a loose end want to offer a hand, feel free - that head is going to be bloody heavy!
i'll see you tomorrow then, what time are you starting?
When I get my backside out of the pit... ...need to nip to shop and buy some bacon for some sarnies as well - meant to go tonight but was persuaded to go to pub instead ::)
10ish?
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10ish?
Didn't know you could play..... [/Sean Connery mode] ;D ;D
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
Nahhh.....Challenge AA to a game of golf next week.....i'd bet you'd win ;D :y
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
Nahhh.....Challenge AA to a game of golf next week.....i'd bet you'd win ;D :y
esp as my last round was an 86 :y
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
Nahhh.....Challenge AA to a game of golf next week.....i'd bet you'd win ;D :y
esp as my last round was an 86 :y
9 hole course, once round?? :P
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
Nahhh.....Challenge AA to a game of golf next week.....i'd bet you'd win ;D :y
esp as my last round was an 86 :y
I would have been 2 years old....
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The embarrassing thing is, AA is much, much fitter than I am, and I'm very, very nearly half his age (in 2004 I was half his age)...
Nahhh.....Challenge AA to a game of golf next week.....i'd bet you'd win ;D :y
esp as my last round was an 86 :y
:o The most ive ever got stung for was about 30 in the pub for a round ;D
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Right, just going out to start. Wish me luck.
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Good luck TB. :y
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Good luck see you when you get back
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not long got back from TB's, i'll let him explain where he is with the tractor......
was good to meet up with Tunnie and Omegatoy, thanks for the laughs guys....
Couldn't believe it i got shot by that tensioner :o
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Come on TB, sat on the edge of my chair here.... :)
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Come on TB, sat on the edge of my chair here.... :)
Me too also..... ;D
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Come on TB, sat on the edge of my chair here.... :)
Me too also..... ;D
I think everyone is!!!
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Yes, I can confirm that Jay W got shot by an out-of-control tensioner :o
I can also confirm my garage door still works, despite being stripped for parts, and ground down to make a special 'tensioner release tool' :o - I tried to object, but Jay W held me back whilst Omegatoy played with the grinder!
OK, we didn't get the job done, ran out of time, but we had a bloody good laugh :y
Also met pscocoa for the first time :D, trying (very unsuccessfully) to pair his CID :'(. Flattened his battery in the process :-[
Tunnie showed up, as he does, and obviously received lots of abuse ;D
After, Tunnie and I went for a couple of beers and a curry. And I finished the evening off when I got home with a small journey around Scotland's distilleries, which is why I'm a bit slow today...
I write up a fuller report when I get a mo, but just wanted to say thanks to Jay W and Omegatoy for there help yesterday.
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Yesterday, Jay W came over for the day. We managed to get the donor head off, and think we found why that wasn't running too well - the chain guide was Donald Duck'd and one of the guides was in several pieces.
It was good to be able to practice on the donor, as it had more room around it. Very handy.
Omegatoy turned up, and helped strip my garage door to bits the orignal engine down. We managed to get the head off just as it got dark (and didn't see the CTS still connected, which I then had to repair).
With the old head off, it was too dark to refit.
Omegatoy popped over again today, and helped pop the donor head on the car, and get the chain back on.
After he left, I bolted the manifold to the turbo, did up the small bolts around timing cover, popped the vac on, and the rocker cover.
My biggest concern is that the cam chain sprocket has not key. Very strange. Nothing to stop it spinning other than its a tappered shaft.
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My biggest concern is that the cam chain sprocket has not key. Very strange. Nothing to stop it spinning other than its a tappered shaft.
The Ford Zetec has this type of arrangement on the cam sprockets. On the plus side, it allows for infinite adjustment. On the down side, it doesn't give a lot of confidence that it isn't going to adjust itself on the fly. :o Needless to say I fitted dowels to mine.
Glad to hear you seem to have made plenty of progress, and have found the issue with the donor engine. Any sign of an explanation for the original engine's thirst for coolant?
Kevin
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Any sign of an explanation for the original engine's thirst for coolant?
Yup.
Hopefully the replacement head should cure the issue.
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Perhaps tb does not want to tell us why it liked a drink, but we all know dont we children!!!! ;D ::)
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Perhaps tb does not want to tell us why it liked a drink, but we all know dont we children!!!! ;D ::)
What was it then ;D
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Perhaps tb does not want to tell us why it liked a drink, but we all know dont we children!!!! ;D ::)
What was it then ;D
Some sort of channel/crack in the head?
I hope not, because if so I think I owe you a pint ::)
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Perhaps tb does not want to tell us why it liked a drink, but we all know dont we children!!!! ;D ::)
What was it then ;D
Some sort of channel/crack in the head?
I hope not, because if so I think I owe you a pint ::)
I haven't looked that closely tbh.
In all fairness, its not 100% conclusive what failed. You can see where its failed, and in more than 1 place.
Additionally, I cannot see inside precombustion chambers to check there.
Oddly, Jay_W and I reckon that head has been off very recently.
However:
When we took it off (it was getting dark, so light not ideal for inspection), both Jay_W and I though HG was the cause.
In the clear light of day, Omegatoy and I inspected it further, and the head is a bit pitted. This looks to be around 3 pistons (2, 4, and 5), with 2 being the worse. We are thinking along the lines it overheated, perhaps damaging HG and head, and someone simply replaced HG. Remember, there is a lot of docs that say this head cannot be skimmed. Its possible of course, the overheating cause HG to fail, which was replaced, but root cause of cooling issue not resolved, so overheated again and destroyed new HG. We also suspect that the last HG wasn't fitted correctly.
We had some discussion of which head to refit, and we decided to go with the donor one.
I'll try and get some piccies up later.
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Right, a little update.
Got it all back together enough to get it started (without any of the intake on, so sucking fresh air), to warm it up as per the head bolt instructions. Runs pretty well (obviously noisy with egr and intake missing). Got it up to fans coming on temp. Now need to let it cool for 4hrs to do the head bolts another 90 degrees.
Whilst waiting for it to cool, I need to fix some fuel leaks. Need to nip to Bicester to buy some more copper washers for the injectors, and get some more Forte Cooling flush. May as well buy some leak off pipe tubing as well, as the boost pressure sensor pipe is looking knackered.
Got some more engine oil flush from Omegatoy just to help clean the innards, so hopefully run that through again.
Looking good, as the cooling system did not overpressurise, though the test will be when I take it for a spin tonight or tomorrow, depending how I get on...
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Sounds encouraging, TB. Hopefully it will run sweet as a nut by the time its all back together properly.
Well done to all.... :y
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sounds like a good weekend, looking good now though, everything crossed on this one :)
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Fingers crossed :y
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Good job done by the sounds of it, keep it up :y
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Sounds as if you may be nearly there!
Time to resurrect the forums longest thread?
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Sounds as if you may be nearly there!
Time to resurrect the forums longest thread?
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that thread is no longer valid, as that was engine change. hence new head swap thread.
maybe time for another project tb2 update thread.
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Sounds as if you may be nearly there!
Time to resurrect the forums longest thread?
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that thread is no longer valid, as that was engine change. hence new head swap thread.
maybe time for another project tb2 update thread.
So who is Brains and who is Virgil?
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Sounds as if you may be nearly there!
Time to resurrect the forums longest thread?
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that thread is no longer valid, as that was engine change. hence new head swap thread.
maybe time for another project tb2 update thread.
I thought this was TB2
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m302/CaptainZok/TB2.jpg)
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Sounds as if you may be nearly there!
Time to resurrect the forums longest thread?
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that thread is no longer valid, as that was engine change. hence new head swap thread.
maybe time for another project tb2 update thread.
I thought this was TB2
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m302/CaptainZok/TB2.jpg)
No, thats the rather nice Thrashmobile... ...an excellent little motor.
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Yesterday, Jay W came over for the day. We managed to get the donor head off, and think we found why that wasn't running too well - the chain guide was Donald Duck'd and one of the guides was in several pieces.
It was good to be able to practice on the donor, as it had more room around it. Very handy.
Omegatoy turned up, and helped strip my garage door to bits the orignal engine down. We managed to get the head off just as it got dark (and didn't see the CTS still connected, which I then had to repair).
With the old head off, it was too dark to refit.
Omegatoy popped over again today, and helped pop the donor head on the car, and get the chain back on.
After he left, I bolted the manifold to the turbo, did up the small bolts around timing cover, popped the vac on, and the rocker cover.
My biggest concern is that the cam chain sprocket has not key. Very strange. Nothing to stop it spinning other than its a tappered shaft.
You should have no concern about your sprocket, just make sure the tapers are clean, done properly it will never spin on the taper. peoples perhaps do not realise how much thier lives depend on tapers.
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Yesterday, Jay W came over for the day. We managed to get the donor head off, and think we found why that wasn't running too well - the chain guide was Donald Duck'd and one of the guides was in several pieces.
It was good to be able to practice on the donor, as it had more room around it. Very handy.
Omegatoy turned up, and helped strip my garage door to bits the orignal engine down. We managed to get the head off just as it got dark (and didn't see the CTS still connected, which I then had to repair).
With the old head off, it was too dark to refit.
Omegatoy popped over again today, and helped pop the donor head on the car, and get the chain back on.
After he left, I bolted the manifold to the turbo, did up the small bolts around timing cover, popped the vac on, and the rocker cover.
My biggest concern is that the cam chain sprocket has not key. Very strange. Nothing to stop it spinning other than its a tappered shaft.
You should have no concern about your sprocket, just make sure the tapers are clean, done properly it will never spin on the taper. peoples perhaps do not realise how much thier lives depend on tapers.
Yup, subsequently found out this is fairly common. Still concerns me though.