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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 16:48:05

Title: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 16:48:05
of the reversing band going tits up in a auto box through water damage?
just had my auto box looked at buy a gearbox specialist and they say its broken up and laying in the sump.

now i need to find a new gearbox or a new car.

gutted the omega might be no more soon  :'(
am running out of cash very quickly.
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 16:51:26
I see by your profile you're not afraid to get your hands dirty - so a replacement box will cost you about £75. No need to scrap the car ;)

Might even be able to give you a hand sometime :)
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 17:04:17
ok how hard is it and what do i need to look out for when looking for a new box?
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Post by: tunnie on 22 January 2008, 17:08:36
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ok how hard is it and what do i need to look out for when looking for a new box?

4pots are harder to do than V6's much easier with a ramp...

Check the selector switch first.... passenger side of the gearbox, that could have been washed clean due to the floods and now be drying up and cracked connections....

Is it fine going forwards? - Whats the millage of the box?
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 January 2008, 17:12:07
also.. You say somethign was found in the sump. Sometimes a thrust washer breaks up in the oil pump and this ends up in the smaller front sump. I wonder if this is what has happened?

Either way it's gearbox out time, and, assuming the gearbox has been playing up for a while, it is probably not worth trying to fix it.

I would look for another box from a 4 cylinder Omega. One that's accident damaged or has suffered engine failure is a good bet as you know they didn't scrap it due to a knackered gearbox.

Kevin
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 17:13:12
its ok going forwards although sometimes you can feel her going in and out of third. the box has done 106,000
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Post by: tunnie on 22 January 2008, 17:17:30
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its ok going forwards although sometimes you can feel her going in and out of third. the box has done 106,000

I'd get the selector switch looked at / replaced.

Omega autoboxes very rarely fail.... they are the same box as used in Mercs...
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 17:19:37
it is selecting reverse but you have to do short sharp bursts of power to get her to roll backwards and even then its at a snails pace.
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: albitz on 22 January 2008, 17:29:33
if you need a box try fleabay,they come up on there sometimes. i got one last year for 40 quid :y
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Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 18:20:08
cant find any on ebay....
hubby just got a quote £470 for a box with postage and 6mths grnty
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Post by: MutantCav on 22 January 2008, 18:25:03
I can certainly get you a box a lot cheaper than that...
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 January 2008, 18:35:50
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I'd get the selector switch looked at / replaced.

Something nasty has been found in the sump - so it needs attention IMHO.

Kevin
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 18:36:04
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cant find any on ebay....
hubby just got a quote £470 for a box with postage and 6mths grnty

I paid about £75 for a known good.... don't pay anymore than £125 for a good box...
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Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2008, 18:40:06
I agree, a replacement box is whats needed.  A few people on here break cars, may have an AR25 cheap?
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Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 18:41:10
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I can certainly get you a box a lot cheaper than that...

Where i dont seem to be able to find one or am i looking in all the wrong places.
today is just not my day.
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 18:41:50
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I agree, a replacement box is whats needed.  A few people on here break cars, may have an AR25 cheap?
i really do hope so.
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Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2008, 18:43:33
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I agree, a replacement box is whats needed.  A few people on here break cars, may have an AR25 cheap?
i really do hope so.
See in the parts for sale section if anyone breaking a 2.0 or 2.5 auto...
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: MutantCav on 22 January 2008, 18:46:52
2.0 has an AR25?? I have one here...
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 18:49:18
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2.0 has an AR25?? I have one here...

Yup, AR25 on 2.0 and 2.5/2.6 as standard.

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Post by: Elite Pete on 22 January 2008, 18:53:31
I think Timbuk has just sold the good one he had for £25 but I will check with him ;)
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Post by: MutantCav on 22 January 2008, 18:54:24
Ok, well I'm coming down to Gatwick within the next week...can whip the gearbox off for you and deliver it to Gosport for £120?? Works fine and will have the selector switch still on...let me know :)
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Post by: Marie on 22 January 2008, 19:41:19
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Ok, well I'm coming down to Gatwick within the next week...can whip the gearbox off for you and deliver it to Gosport for £120?? Works fine and will have the selector switch still on...let me know :)

well i have  got a gear box off this site chris is even going to del for me how great is that.

hubby has said to get the local garage to fit it, i told him i could do it and he just laughed at me! men what are you like ....... some times a real apin in the ass. well mine is any how!!!!

this site is great at least now i dont have to loose my baby i can keep her going. just got to service and mot next month and i think the cat is on the way out but nothing my little hands cant fix.
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Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2008, 20:36:56
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Ok, well I'm coming down to Gatwick within the next week...can whip the gearbox off for you and deliver it to Gosport for £120?? Works fine and will have the selector switch still on...let me know :)

well i have  got a gear box off this site chris is even going to del for me how great is that.

hubby has said to get the local garage to fit it, i told him i could do it and he just laughed at me! men what are you like ....... some times a real apin in the ass. well mine is any how!!!!

this site is great at least now i dont have to loose my baby i can keep her going. just got to service and mot next month and i think the cat is on the way out but nothing my little hands cant fix.
Between the two of you, you can replace gearbox ;)
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 20:39:38
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Ok, well I'm coming down to Gatwick within the next week...can whip the gearbox off for you and deliver it to Gosport for £120?? Works fine and will have the selector switch still on...let me know :)

well i have  got a gear box off this site chris is even going to del for me how great is that.

hubby has said to get the local garage to fit it, i told him i could do it and he just laughed at me! men what are you like ....... some times a real apin in the ass. well mine is any how!!!!

this site is great at least now i dont have to loose my baby i can keep her going. just got to service and mot next month and i think the cat is on the way out but nothing my little hands cant fix.
Between the two of you, you can replace gearbox ;)

Yes, you can.

You'll need a couple of good jacks/stands, etc.

I'm happy to help out, and have all the kit, if there's a good time :)
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: sassanach on 22 January 2008, 22:35:07
theres only one "band"in the box and if it had "failed"( ;D ;D)you would be going nowhere as its used in forward motion to
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 22 January 2008, 22:47:57
My guess is that it was the thrust washer in the sump, and 2 and 2 was put together when it wouldn't work in reverse.

Kevin
Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Marie on 23 January 2008, 11:53:57
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My guess is that it was the thrust washer in the sump, and 2 and 2 was put together when it wouldn't work in reverse.

Kevin
and me being dumb today. the thrust washer does what and lives where?

Title: Re: help has anyone ever heard ....
Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 January 2008, 12:03:09
There's a thrust washer in the auto box that sits between the fluid pump and the rest of the box, IIRC, to take up a clearance.

Originally, plastic washers were fitted and these have a habit of breaking up. It's common to find the remains of this washer in the sump of a failed gearbox.

There's an excellent explanation of it by sassanach here: http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1183142571

Kevin