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Title: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 19:06:49
This is for MV6, they are knackered.

Vx part (not TC item :(), or pattern.  If later, any recommendations?
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Jay w on 21 January 2008, 19:16:24
if you are after quality items then bilsteins would be a good place to start.I believe they were OE fit on the MV6 as well
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 19:17:51
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if you are after quality items then bilsteins would be a good place to start.I believe they were OE fit on the MV6 as well
any particular type - i guess they do lots?
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: andyc on 21 January 2008, 21:32:00
what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Dazzler on 21 January 2008, 21:34:42
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Is this Andy Drive from the Autobahnstormers site by chance??
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: tunnie on 21 January 2008, 21:38:43
hang about, did'nt you have new springs when i had the Senny around DTM's?
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: VXL V6 on 21 January 2008, 21:40:24
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Is this Andy Drive from the Autobahnstormers site by chance??

Yes...
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Dazzler on 21 January 2008, 21:41:24
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Is this Andy Drive from the Autobahnstormers site by chance??

Yes...
Top bloke him :y
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 21:46:50
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Not been quoted yet.

These are MV6 (sports/lowered chassis) shocks.  The lowering is done on the shocks, not the springs, so they are different.  They are not self levelling (air) type.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 21:48:17
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hang about, did'nt you have new springs when i had the Senny around DTM's?
Yes. Springs are fine. Shocks are shot.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: tunnie on 21 January 2008, 21:52:00
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hang about, did'nt you have new springs when i had the Senny around DTM's?
Yes. Springs are fine. Shocks are shot.

I seam to remember DTM mentioning they were buggered!!! Thought you had them replaced!
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 21 January 2008, 21:54:51
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hang about, did'nt you have new springs when i had the Senny around DTM's?
Yes. Springs are fine. Shocks are shot.

I seam to remember DTM mentioning they were buggered!!! Thought you had them replaced!
Nope, not used the car really.  Also, passed MOT fine (as shocks aren't leaking). Just want to get it sorted now.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: andyc on 21 January 2008, 22:06:51
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Is this Andy Drive from the Autobahnstormers site by chance??

Yes...
Top bloke him :y



Cheers Bud :y

I'll leave the cash in a brown enverlope under the bin on the left, same place as last time ;D
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Dazzler on 21 January 2008, 22:10:53
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Is this Andy Drive from the Autobahnstormers site by chance??

Yes...
Top bloke him :y



Cheers Bud :y

I'll leave the cash in a brown enverlope under the bin on the left, same place as last time ;D
Plesure mate, its true, you seem to find the parts the others can't :y
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 22 January 2008, 22:10:04
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what have you been quoted for OE ones, if at all? Have you got the pump up type or normal type, I'll have a look in the morning before i go out on the road.(got to do some repping tomorrow :-/

cheers
Andy
 
Any update?
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: andyc on 23 January 2008, 09:55:17
Hi Mate

Bloody vauxhall shocks!!

I can get it down to two numbers. either 90542942 @ £45.85 each

or 72119086 @ 42.86 each, both + VAT

They are T/c Prices as well

The only way i cam sort out which is which is from an ID code off the old shock, any chance of getting it at all

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Nextgen on 23 January 2008, 10:56:15
I'm in need of a pair of 1998 MV6 Estate autolevellers (I do a lot of hauling of random stuff and find it invaluable) for mine....
Any Ideas?
Cheers,
Edwin
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2008, 18:02:57
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Hi Mate

Bloody vauxhall shocks!!

I can get it down to two numbers. either 90542942 @ £45.85 each

or 72119086 @ 42.86 each, both + VAT

They are T/c Prices as well

The only way i cam sort out which is which is from an ID code off the old shock, any chance of getting it at all

Cheers
Andy
Prefacelift MV6 shocks aren't on TC (or weren't last year, still waiting for this years book).

I'll have a peek at EPC myself later on (on other laptop) :y
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 23 January 2008, 18:04:11
I gave dealer ident code when I did the fronts, but am certain they supplied std shocks rather than MV6 ones, as the front seems high to me.  I'll lower the front on the springs though.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: andyc on 24 January 2008, 09:06:46
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I'm in need of a pair of 1998 MV6 Estate autolevellers (I do a lot of hauling of random stuff and find it invaluable) for mine....
Any Ideas?
Cheers,
Edwin

Edwin
Yours should be 72119085 @ £76.23 each inc VAT

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2008, 16:43:09
Hmmm, once again, EPC seems as much use as a used condom smeared in dogsh!te  >:(

I'll jack the tinker up and get idents  >:(
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: andyc on 24 January 2008, 17:24:17
and we have to live with that day in day out >:(

I like it when is lists: for lowered sports chassis, then says not for sports lowered chassis, wish they would make up the bloody mind

give us shout if you find the id code

Andy
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 24 January 2008, 21:21:46
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and we have to live with that day in day out >:(

I like it when is lists: for lowered sports chassis, then says not for sports lowered chassis, wish they would make up the bloody mind

give us shout if you find the id code

Andy
if weather is ok, i'll jack up at the weekend and have a poke around
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: mkaminski100 on 25 January 2008, 09:01:28
I could ask my colleague as he’s selling Opel/Vx parts in Poland. I bought two Bilstein front shock absorbers for ca 36-40 pounds/each.

Ok.
I have more answers.
Rear shock absorbers for MV6 (without NIVO):
Bilsterin - £34/pc
Magneti Marelli - £20
Delphi (not recommended though, many warranty claims) - £21
SLR - £25
Sachs & Monroe - £43 (same quality as Bilstein but more expensiv)

All of these are oil-gas ones. Prices include VAT, but don’t include delivery. I will be receiving one parcel from Poland, and can send it with my parcel (1£/1kg)
I don’t get any “shares” from these prices.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 27 January 2008, 00:31:31
I belive this issue has been raised before:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1173468176


Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 27 January 2008, 00:38:28
On another note, I am not too familair with the MV6 suspension setup, but my understanding is that the dampers do not determine height, the springs do.... the dampers simply acommodate the springs. So it would seem that the dampers are the same height for the lower MV6 and for the standard car, though the MV6 may be stiffer...
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2008, 17:52:24
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On another note, I am not too familair with the MV6 suspension setup, but my understanding is that the dampers do not determine height, the springs do.... the dampers simply acommodate the springs. So it would seem that the dampers are the same height for the lower MV6 and for the standard car, though the MV6 may be stiffer...
Prefacelift MV6 uses same springs as rest of range, but is lowered via shorter shocks.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 27 January 2008, 19:32:36
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On another note, I am not too familair with the MV6 suspension setup, but my understanding is that the dampers do not determine height, the springs do.... the dampers simply acommodate the springs. So it would seem that the dampers are the same height for the lower MV6 and for the standard car, though the MV6 may be stiffer...
Prefacelift MV6 uses same springs as rest of range, but is lowered via shorter shocks.

TB, I know you have an MV6 and I don't, but I have doubts about that..... I always knew that the shocks do not affect the ride height, only the springs do.... indeed this is how I lowered my Astra at the time, standard shocks but shorter springs.

Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: markey mark on 27 January 2008, 19:34:34
i was always led to belive shorter springs not shocks lowers car !! unless on mcpherson strut then its shock lentgh !! :y
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2008, 19:57:27
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On another note, I am not too familair with the MV6 suspension setup, but my understanding is that the dampers do not determine height, the springs do.... the dampers simply acommodate the springs. So it would seem that the dampers are the same height for the lower MV6 and for the standard car, though the MV6 may be stiffer...
Prefacelift MV6 uses same springs as rest of range, but is lowered via shorter shocks.

TB, I know you have an MV6 and I don't, but I have doubts about that..... I always knew that the shocks do not affect the ride height, only the springs do.... indeed this is how I lowered my Astra at the time, standard shocks but shorter springs.

Trust me, the prefacelift MV6 springs are the same for other models, lowering all done on the shocks.

Not sure about facelift models, as never really bothered to investigate.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 27 January 2008, 20:14:34
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On another note, I am not too familair with the MV6 suspension setup, but my understanding is that the dampers do not determine height, the springs do.... the dampers simply acommodate the springs. So it would seem that the dampers are the same height for the lower MV6 and for the standard car, though the MV6 may be stiffer...
Prefacelift MV6 uses same springs as rest of range, but is lowered via shorter shocks.

TB, I know you have an MV6 and I don't, but I have doubts about that..... I always knew that the shocks do not affect the ride height, only the springs do.... indeed this is how I lowered my Astra at the time, standard shocks but shorter springs.

Trust me, the prefacelift MV6 springs are the same for other models, lowering all done on the shocks.

Not sure about facelift models, as never really bothered to investigate.

OK, I had a look on the Internet to remind me... the shocks may be shorter, but this does not reduce the ride height by itself, they are merely shorter in order to accommodate for shorter springs which do lower the car. See also:

http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/Suspension-Guide_W0QQugidZ10000000001881176

So I can't see how the car can be lower if the springs are the same length....  :o

Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 27 January 2008, 20:18:48
Also, ECS has a different P/N for 'SPORT' suspension springs.... :-?
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2008, 20:52:46
THE PREFACELIFT MV6 USES NORMAL SPRINGS AND IS LOWERED ON THE SHOCKS
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Andy B on 27 January 2008, 21:35:50
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THE PREFACELIFT MV6 USES NORMAL SPRINGS AND IS LOWERED ON THE SHOCKS

you sure?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D   :y  :y

(joke honest!)
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: MaxV6 on 28 January 2008, 00:48:50
Jaime.....
Bellingers in Grove have an account at parts for your trade card name (O.S. of B. )  , and they do pretty decent discounts even on stuff that's not part of TC list....

My Old elite estate got brand new rear suspension 6 months ago....  they did a fairly  good price.....   better than I was quoted elsewhere mate

JamesV6 is getting a LOT of new stuff on that car...  :-[
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: hotel21 on 28 January 2008, 10:14:52
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THE PREFACELIFT MV6 USES NORMAL SPRINGS AND IS LOWERED ON THE SHOCKS

I replaced the rear springs on my minifacelift with brand new Irmschers which were 30mm lowered.  Certainly dropped the rear compared to standard....  
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 28 January 2008, 22:18:49
I stand my ground putting all of my 4553 posts on the line ( :'() - [size=10]the shocks can't lower the car[/size]  :-X

There, I said it....
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: TheBoy on 28 January 2008, 22:22:11
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I stand my ground putting all of my 4553 posts on the line ( :'() - [size=10]the shocks can't lower the car[/size]  :-X

There, I said it....
I won't remove your posts, because I'm a nice person sometimes ;D

Having replaced springs and shocks on mine, I'm unlikely to change my standpoint.

I think its probably just better to agree to differ ;D
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Markjay on 28 January 2008, 22:29:10
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I stand my ground putting all of my 4553 posts on the line ( :'() - [size=10]the shocks can't lower the car[/size]  :-X

There, I said it....
I won't remove your posts, because I'm a nice person sometimes ;D

Having replaced springs and shocks on mine, I'm unlikely to change my standpoint.

I think its probably just better to agree to differ ;D

I started reading your reply and did not dare to look under my avatar, fearing the worst....

Phew.... (where do you get an icon of a sweaty forehead when you need one?)

Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Paul M on 29 January 2008, 14:01:21
You guys who think the shocks can't adjust the ride height.... you're wrong :P

Mostly the ride height is determined by the springs, but the dampers can have a range they like to settle in, causing them to exert a force on the springs that changes the ride height. Even though they're not "damping" while in a steady state, they can still resist the expansion of the spring. It's probably pretty unusual to adjust ride height via the dampers on normal road cars, but it can be done and appears to be the case on the MV6.
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 29 January 2008, 14:09:58
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I stand my ground putting all of my 4553 posts on the line ( :'() - [size=10]the shocks can't lower the car[/size]  :-X

There, I said it....
I won't remove your posts, because I'm a nice person sometimes ;D

Having replaced springs and shocks on mine, I'm unlikely to change my standpoint.

I think its probably just better to agree to differ ;D

I started reading your reply and did not dare to look under my avatar, fearing the worst....

Phew.... (where do you get an icon of a sweaty forehead when you need one?)


Yes, they are lowered on the shocks because shocks can achieve this funstion (how do you think the self leveling works!).

Be careful of the springs on EPC as the facelift sports chassis did use different springs but, not the pre-facelift cars.

Ow, I sorted the post count for you to save TB the work.... ;D
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Nextgen on 30 January 2008, 12:39:33
Thanks for th P/N for the estate auto-leveller shocks...

Interestingly I'm on the factory Irmscher option  springs all round - front shocks were stock pre-facelift. they were in fact knackered whic dropped another 10mm out of it... It *really* didn't go over speedbumps as it had all of 120mm clearance at the front.
New set of OEM Bilsteins fixed that (and stopped it bouncing about like a bunny possesed).
The rears are interesting as it does have the Irmscher springs on it, but this seems mad, because the autolevellers will take out any drop :-)
Mind you  - I did load it up with an entire house, and looked at it again before levelling it - it looks better higher at the rear with the mad front air dam on mine i think ....
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: AffectiontoDetail on 30 January 2008, 13:10:54
Can I just add that by adjusting either the position of the spring seat, length of the piston rod or depending on damper design, adjusting the point at which it rests through changing the gas/oil system in terms of resistance can all adjust suspension height.

In the case of the omega, if the springs are the same I would guess that its running a shorter piston rod to hold the vehicle lower, not sure how this would affect the need for sag though. Only way to tell is to get two side by side and check the rod travel etc.

L8rs

Nad
Title: Re: Rear shocks
Post by: Albatross on 10 February 2008, 08:37:47
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I'm in need of a pair of 1998 MV6 Estate autolevellers (I do a lot of hauling of random stuff and find it invaluable) for mine....
Any Ideas?
Cheers,
Edwin


Sorry to drag up an old thread here, but better than yet another on a similar "thread"; if you know what I mean?

I have an auto levelling Elite facelift 3.2. I note that the MV6 is lover than the standard range? Is that correct?

Does this mean I can lower and stiffen my Elite, but retain the auto-levelling, by moving to MV6 parts?

If so, what would I need to change, shocks, springs, both?

What would the part numbers be?

Thanks

N