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Title: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 04:08:07
How do I add a picture on a post??

I want some advice on an oil leak!
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: dbug on 22 February 2008, 08:28:10
You need to put your pics on a web hosting site.
Put web address where image stored (photobucket?) between image tags - looks like this without asteriks [img**] wweb address[/img**]

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 08:30:54
 your leak is either an oil cooler to block pipe . . A loose filter or the drain plug. This leak is way too big for just cam covers
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 14:50:18
Hi James...

Thought I'd put a picture on so you could see.. Oil filter is dry and sump plug is tight.. I got round to looking yesterday..

I'd hoped to look before this as you said we (you  ;)) could do the cam covers this weekend..

As you're going to the meet tomorrow I thought to drive up if I could be sure the leak wasn't serious..

What do you think - should it be driven? Would we have time to do the covers on the weekend if I can get there?
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 15:19:25
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Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 15:36:12
Camcover is definately leaking there.

I'm actually not going to be at the meeting tomorrow, but if you are attending I am sure there are hoards of people that could give you a hand with the camcover gaskets, its a v quick job.

Have you got an Mot yet?  ::)
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 15:45:18
ahhh mmmm possibly not yet.. but kwik fit are close and never toooo busy...

I bought a battery today and am about to fit it, as it was going nowhere fast without one!

Sorry, I thought you were going, you seem to be on the list... Apart from the possibility of an interesting weekend, I thought it would save you a trip here?

What did you think of the pictures.. do they help?? and would you drive it??
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 15:49:33
It depends on the oil loss really. If it's not losing much, and didn't get worse, then you would be ok.

I was originally down as a hopeful to go, but I'm not feeling well or happy, so I'm probably not going to be able to change cambelts all day at full steam - hence not much use in me going up there.

Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 16:23:51
Just started her up in daylight..

I'm no expert but it would seem possible that we did a good job removing the oil seal from the crank..  :-/ :-/

You thought it possible.. if that's what it is, how difficult is the job??

 Now I'm sad too  :(   :'(

Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 16:34:45
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Just started her up in daylight..

I'm no expert but it would seem possible that we did a good job removing the oil seal from the crank..  :-/ :-/

You thought it possible.. if that's what it is, how difficult is the job??

 Now I'm sad too  :(   :'(


From memory, the bits of cambelt from when the old one sheared got caught up behind the crank sprocket, and we cleaned out all the bits. When we put it together, the crank il seal looked intact.

If that seal is the problem, then it's do-able, but the cambelt has to come off again. The only hard part is the fact the bolt is done up to 100,000 nm....

Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 16:41:42
There is a steady stream of oil coming down from behind the pulley attached to the crank.. it's a little difficult to see exactly where it's coming from but I seem to remember everything being dry above there when we had it apart.. Is there somewhere else could it be coming from??
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 16:44:43
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There is a steady stream of oil coming down from behind the pulley attached to the crank.. it's a little difficult to see exactly where it's coming from but I seem to remember everything being dry above there when we had it apart.. Is there somewhere else could it be coming from??

My only suggestion then is that when the belt sheared down there it must have damaged the oil seal  >:(
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 16:47:01
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There is a steady stream of oil coming down from behind the pulley attached to the crank.. it's a little difficult to see exactly where it's coming from but I seem to remember everything being dry above there when we had it apart.. Is there somewhere else could it be coming from??

My only suggestion then is that when the belt sheared down there it must have damaged the oil seal  >:(

In hindsight, it's a small setback compared to bent valves, you are lucky that engine runs at all after that incident :y
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 16:52:20
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There is a steady stream of oil coming down from behind the pulley attached to the crank.. it's a little difficult to see exactly where it's coming from but I seem to remember everything being dry above there when we had it apart.. Is there somewhere else could it be coming from??

My only suggestion then is that when the belt sheared down there it must have damaged the oil seal  >:(

In hindsight, it's a small setback compared to bent valves, you are lucky that engine runs at all after that incident :y


SO TRUE  ;D   ;D

... There's a great cure for not feeling too well/happy ...

Fancy a 100,000 nm challenge?? (I can supply the weet-a-bix!!)

 :) :)


Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 17:21:33
I know you're under the weather at the moment..

..but is this a job you want to look at? and if so could you give me an idea of when you might be able to get across?
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 February 2008, 17:26:32
I will definately give you a hand if we can sort out a time.

I have a good tool for removing that sprocket too.. Handmade for me by Mr Sassanach :y

Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 17:33:41
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I will definately give you a hand if we can sort out a time.

I have a good tool for removing that sprocket too.. Handmade for me by Mr Sassanach :y


I'm free anytime from now until it's done!! (I don't have a problem with work as I can work any hours within reason)

You let me know when is good for you and I'll be here.

If we can it would be a good idea to do those cam covers at the same time?

Cheers!!     :y   :y
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 22 February 2008, 17:41:51
Speaking of work... I must go and do some now!!

Please sort a day and time out and let me know.. My number is 07746 173069 if that's easier?
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: The Cambelt Kid on 23 February 2008, 22:10:51
Hi Chaps,

I think i have exactly the same problem as pictured.  I did the cam seals last year and i can't see any oil leaking from them covers, so i'm guessing that's not my problem.  The oil leak on mine looks very simular to the pics on tis thread.  Oil all over the sump flange, under the car, around the sump plug, below the stering pump, around lower pulley from the crank.  I get the feeling that it's the crank oil seal.... :o

So looks like that's two of us then!  I will follow you on this thread as i will be doing the work as soon as i get a cam lock kit and 100000000nm torque wrench.  I'm hoping MarkDTM will loan me the lock once more...  :-*  ('ll bring that laptop up for you as i mentioned last year.)

Cheers
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: Matchless on 23 February 2008, 23:00:01
Leaks from the crankshaft front oil seal seem fairly common. Once you get the old seal out there is a spacer behind the crank sprocket that the oil seal runs on, pull this off the shaft and reverse it, you will find it has a groove worn in it and reversing it means the new seal has an un-worn surface to work on.
Do not attempt to un-do the crank bolt by putting it in gear or by jamming the ring gear, you will shear the crank sprocket key-way. You must use a bit of angle iron etc bolted onto the front pulley holes to stop the crank turning.
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: The Cambelt Kid on 23 February 2008, 23:06:16
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Leaks from the crankshaft front oil seal seem fairly common. Once you get the old seal out there is a spacer behind the crank sprocket that the oil seal runs on, pull this off the shaft and reverse it, you will find it has a groove worn in it and reversing it means the new seal has an un-worn surface to work on.
Do not attempt to un-do the crank bolt by putting it in gear or by jamming the ring gear, you will shear the crank sprocket key-way. You must use a bit of angle iron etc bolted onto the front pulley holes to stop the crank turning.


I'll just go and take a peek at my Haynes to put some pictures to your text Matchless.

It's good to know you're not too far away, so if i screw it up i'll come a runnin down the A52 :D

Cheers
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: Matchless on 23 February 2008, 23:32:09
If you want a hand I have a BIG torque wrench and a crank holding bar. I suggest we attach MarksDTM to the end of the bar. (You get a better class of biscuit when workin at his place)
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: The Cambelt Kid on 24 February 2008, 10:37:13
I know what you mean about the biscuits, last time i was at Marks i got one in a wrapper!  How posh is that?  never got chance to eat it though, was too busy with car.

I'll try and get this on the go as the days get warmer and longer.  Maybe late on in March.  The leak isn't too bad at the moment so i think i can live with it for now.

I'll just PM Mark to beg for the lock kit again.

Cheers
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: The Cambelt Kid on 24 February 2008, 10:41:23
Also i noticed that the color of the leaking oil seems to match the oil on the end of the dip stick.  ie:- it got cleaner each time i changed the oil.

In fact i think the leak was related to the quick oil changes i have just done.  I did x4 changed inside 1k miles.
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 26 February 2008, 07:23:14
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Leaks from the crankshaft front oil seal seem fairly common. Once you get the old seal out there is a spacer behind the crank sprocket that the oil seal runs on, pull this off the shaft and reverse it, you will find it has a groove worn in it and reversing it means the new seal has an un-worn surface to work on.
Do not attempt to un-do the crank bolt by putting it in gear or by jamming the ring gear, you will shear the crank sprocket key-way. You must use a bit of angle iron etc bolted onto the front pulley holes to stop the crank turning.


I'll just go and take a peek at my Haynes to put some pictures to your text Matchless.

It's good to know you're not too far away, so if i screw it up i'll come a runnin down the A52 :D

Cheers



Great advice, thanks guys...


I look forward to the pictures if you have the chance?
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 26 February 2008, 07:28:13
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I will definately give you a hand if we can sort out a time.

I have a good tool for removing that sprocket too.. Handmade for me by Mr Sassanach :y



Hi James...

I remember you showing me that sprocket tool... prophetic as it turns out!!  :)

Do we need a specialist torque wrench to tighten the bolts afterwards??

Please let me know when you can come as I still without my own wheels and need to sort something very soon..

Cheers..      :y
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 11 March 2008, 00:47:45
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Leaks from the crankshaft front oil seal seem fairly common. Once you get the old seal out there is a spacer behind the crank sprocket that the oil seal runs on, pull this off the shaft and reverse it, you will find it has a groove worn in it and reversing it means the new seal has an un-worn surface to work on.
Do not attempt to un-do the crank bolt by putting it in gear or by jamming the ring gear, you will shear the crank sprocket key-way. You must use a bit of angle iron etc bolted onto the front pulley holes to stop the crank turning.


I'll just go and take a peek at my Haynes to put some pictures to your text Matchless.

It's good to know you're not too far away, so if i screw it up i'll come a runnin down the A52 :D

Cheers



Great advice, thanks guys...


I look forward to the pictures if you have the chance?



Any luck with the photos yet??
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 11 March 2008, 14:09:38
Hi Nick,

I got your PM. I may be able to do something, but given current time constraints it would probably make life much easier if you could strip off the plenum, bagpipes, and belt covers etc before I get there, so all that we have to do is the cambelt removal/refit and the oil seal. I suspect you are confident to do that, having worked on the belt change last time with me?

Cheers
J

Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 14 March 2008, 17:19:56
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Hi Nick,

I got your PM. I may be able to do something, but given current time constraints it would probably make life much easier if you could strip off the plenum, bagpipes, and belt covers etc before I get there, so all that we have to do is the cambelt removal/refit and the oil seal. I suspect you are confident to do that, having worked on the belt change last time with me?



Cheers
J



Hi James..

Thanks for the reply but I almost missed it as I was monitoring my PM's and my mobile for a reply..

Stripping down shouldn't be too difficult having seen you do it and having the DVD from this site.. In any case you know how it goes back together again which is the important part!!   :y

The only questions remaining is when? and what parts do you want me to buy to be ready.. ie o rings for plenum, oil seals for crank, gaskets for cam covers.. oil etc etc..

Do we need axle stands, I have a jack at the moment.. but what about a long bar/torque wrench for the crank bolt?

You know that I work away from home and that the car is in S.Wales at the moment,    so a little organising needs to be done - this only involves us making a firm day and time arrangement and a phone call to SWNTBO!! (I can make any day and any time, even Easter!!)

The kettle is on and the biscuits are bought!! Please just let me know when??

Cheers,

Nick    :y
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 18 March 2008, 22:45:54
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Hi Nick,

I got your PM. I may be able to do something, but given current time constraints it would probably make life much easier if you could strip off the plenum, bagpipes, and belt covers etc before I get there, so all that we have to do is the cambelt removal/refit and the oil seal. I suspect you are confident to do that, having worked on the belt change last time with me?

Cheers
J



Hi James..

I sent another PM.. Have you read it yet?

Cheers

NICK      
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 18 March 2008, 23:18:19
Hi mate,

Yes, I read it tonight.

I understand you're keen to get the oil leak sorted and it's great you can strip the belts off etc in preparation for this.

At the moment, I feel too weak to undo a spark plug let alone a crank bolt  :'( ..  

In terms of parts, don't spend too much until the oil leak is fixed and you know it's OK. I would just get the crank seal, which I recall is just over £20 from vx.
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 18 March 2008, 23:24:37
Sorry James I had no idea you were ill, but I thought something had to be wrong as you've not answered for so long...

Hope you're well soon... but so does my miggy!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 18 March 2008, 23:27:42
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Sorry James I had no idea you were ill, but I thought something had to be wrong as you've not answered for so long...

Hope you're well soon... but so does my miggy!!   ;D ;D ;D

No problem mate. It's been an ongoing thing draining me for a while.. I am going to see the doc again.

I guess I could always come and watch and bark instructions ;D
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 18 March 2008, 23:54:32
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Sorry James I had no idea you were ill, but I thought something had to be wrong as you've not answered for so long...

Hope you're well soon... but so does my miggy!!   ;D ;D ;D

No problem mate. It's been an ongoing thing draining me for a while.. I am going to see the doc again.

I guess I could always come and watch and bark instructions ;D

That would be really great if you could manage that!!

 I'm pretty practical so, so long as there is someone there who understands what needs to be done and the correct way to do it, then I can follow instructions..

(Just don't tell this to SWMBO, she may get wrong ideas  ;D ;D ;D)

If you're up to supervising I'm ready to do the donkey work.. and there's plenty of refreshments for anyone who wants to join in!!   :y
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 01 April 2008, 14:48:36
The photos mentioned in the new post are in here...
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: shyboy on 01 April 2008, 16:01:09
Where?
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 01 April 2008, 16:05:12
Pictures are on page 1 of this post..

They are referred to in a new post I started today.. [crank oil seal]
Title: Re: Pictures / Oil Leak
Post by: CyNick on 01 April 2008, 22:35:07
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Pictures are on page 1 of this post..

They are referred to in a new post I started today.. [crank oil seal]

How do I post a link to another thread - so that people who read my new post can see this one too?