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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: bob.dent on 22 October 2007, 09:41:28
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Following the Ferrarigate scandal, it kind of makes you wonder wether McLaren made some kind of deal with Ferrari in order not to have been kicked out of the championship. Doesn't it seem odd that in China, McLaren left Hamilton out on bald tyres which cost him the race and total lack of points, and then isn't it strange that in yesterday's race his gearbox went into neutral for 40 seconds and then performed flawlessly for the rest of the race. :-/
Then look at Alonso's performance yesterday, or rather lack of it. OK, he finished a distant 3rd but depite knowing that if he won or came second he could be champion, he just didn't seem to be making any effort to keep up with the Ferrari's let alone race them!! :-/
Conspiracy or have I just got a suspicious mind? :-?
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I dont think he was allowed to win.
Mclaren have notified the FIA of their intention to appeal the stewards verdict following the Brazilian grand prix.
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Hit the nail on the head!!
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I feel that there is something a bit fishy going on... 3 stop strategy, mystery problems in the gearbox... doesn't quite add up
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Could it be that Bernie has a remote control!
If any of it is true then we are all just being taken for mugs particularly if you pay to see a race.
olive
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I feel that there is something a bit fishy going on... 3 stop strategy, mystery problems in the gearbox... doesn't quite add up
I also wondered why he was in for 3 stops ::)
Our lass asked me what all the aerials/antenna were for on the cars, I said that the cars sent performance/problem info back to the pits :question. Is it right that the pits can send instructions/info back to the car :question, just wondered.
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Following the Ferrarigate scandal, it kind of makes you wonder wether McLaren made some kind of deal with Ferrari in order not to have been kicked out of the championship. Doesn't it seem odd that in China, McLaren left Hamilton out on bald tyres which cost him the race and total lack of points, and then isn't it strange that in yesterday's race his gearbox went into neutral for 40 seconds and then performed flawlessly for the rest of the race. :-/
Then look at Alonso's performance yesterday, or rather lack of it. OK, he finished a distant 3rd but depite knowing that if he won or came second he could be champion, he just didn't seem to be making any effort to keep up with the Ferrari's let alone race them!! :-/
Conspiracy or have I just got a suspicious mind? :-?
Yes !
Ken
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Apparently, according to Martin Whitmarsh, the 3 stop strategy gained Lewis 10 seconds over the duration of the race... I haven't quite got my head around this considering every man and his dog was on a 2 stopper. If someone does know how, I would love to know!
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I feel that there is something a bit fishy going on... 3 stop strategy, mystery problems in the gearbox... doesn't quite add up
I also wondered why he was in for 3 stops ::)
Our lass asked me what all the aerials/antenna were for on the cars, I said that the cars sent performance/problem info back to the pits :question. Is it right that the pits can send instructions/info back to the car :question, just wondered.
I think they can only monitor the car via the telemetry and then pass instructions to the driver to make any necessary changes using the mutifunctions on the steering wheel.
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Apparently, according to Martin Whitmarsh, the 3 stop strategy gained Lewis 10 seconds over the duration of the race... I haven't quite got my head around this considering every man and his dog was on a 2 stopper. If someone does know how, I would love to know!
Because he would have lapped quicker due to fresher tyres probably.
Matt
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heard this morning on radio it's being appealed due to the fact that a couple of teams were using fuel that was colder than the requirements meaning other teams had an advantage! if proved then lewis would be either 4th or 5th meaning he would win championship
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All these theories will go on for weeks, nothing will happen, mark my words.
He lost, they need to pick up the pieces and look to the future, not waste time on all these, what ifs, yes buts, they didnt etc etc.
The williams and BMW will not be penalised, its a end of a messy season.
Move on, if he was bad done by then yes he should get what he deserves, but come on, they will be talking about something else in the news next week.
IMHO
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Following the Ferrarigate scandal, it kind of makes you wonder wether McLaren made some kind of deal with Ferrari in order not to have been kicked out of the championship. Doesn't it seem odd that in China, McLaren left Hamilton out on bald tyres which cost him the race and total lack of points, and then isn't it strange that in yesterday's race his gearbox went into neutral for 40 seconds and then performed flawlessly for the rest of the race. :-/
Then look at Alonso's performance yesterday, or rather lack of it. OK, he finished a distant 3rd but depite knowing that if he won or came second he could be champion, he just didn't seem to be making any effort to keep up with the Ferrari's let alone race them!! :-/
Conspiracy or have I just got a suspicious mind? :-?
Course you have Bob ::)............been drinking to much of that lager stuff at the weekend ;D
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Well i am glad that there are a few more out there that think that there is something going on in the Background.
The Speed of the Ferraris all of a sudden is unbelievable, they were in some parts of the race over 1,5 seconds faster than all the rest. Now this could be down to the work that the team has done over the last week but it sure looks odd, that a Mercedes that was so fast at the las Grand Prix, should all of a sudden be so slow.
We obviously all agree that Lewis made a mistake, when trying to re-overtake Alonso in the first lap, but the 40 seconds that it took to re-set the Electrics in the Mercedes ........... well very unconvincing.
Lets remember Williams a few years back, as it came out that they were able to turn the Launch controll on and off from the pit lane, and that the FIA were not ble to proove that it was actually in use, although nearly every start was won by them. Coincidence, i think not.
As Bob Dent so vividly put it "it kind of makes you wonder wether McLaren made some kind of deal with Ferrari in order not to have been kicked out of the championship."
The decision is up to you, because we will never find out the truth of what happens in the backgroung of this Formula 1 "Circus"
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Ferrari won due to superior pace, not Alsonso not trying. Hamilton had a box problem, and they were frantically trying different programs to get it working.
3 stops, given his position after the 8th lap works out quicker buy around 10s than his (planned) 2 stopper.
No conspiracy.
Well done to Kimi - he deserved it :y
Shame on McLaren for launching a 'sour grapes' appeal.
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Ferrari won due to superior pace, not Alsonso not trying. Hamilton had a box problem, and they were frantically trying different programs to get it working.
3 stops, given his position after the 8th lap works out quicker buy around 10s than his (planned) 2 stopper.
No conspiracy.
Well done to Kimi - he deserved it :y
Shame on McLaren for launching a 'sour grapes' appeal.
Exactly
:y :y :y
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I think alot of people will/do disagree. I think there is alot that goes on behind the scenes and noone will truly know the truth.
Matt
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the right man won in the end. how did mclaren know about this fuel temp scandel, best they focus on next year with lewis and get another driver who is a bit more team orientated.
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the right man won in the end. how did mclaren know about this fuel temp scandel, best they focus on next year with lewis and get another driver who is a bit more team orientated.
:y :y :y
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Ferrari won due to superior pace, not Alsonso not trying. Hamilton had a box problem, and they were frantically trying different programs to get it working.
3 stops, given his position after the 8th lap works out quicker buy around 10s than his (planned) 2 stopper.
No conspiracy.
Well done to Kimi - he deserved it :y
Shame on McLaren for launching a 'sour grapes' appeal.
Exactly
:y :y :y
Bet they will be using cold fuel next year, and anything else they can get thier hands on.
by thier stds ok to use 2 sets of tyres
ok to cut up Kimi on practice lap
But dont you do anything to us or we will appeal, and throw our toys out of the car.
TAG an excellent engineering company
maclaren an average auto eng company
Ferrari are an auto eng company and only auto eng
Perhaps they where using the controversial damper on the front as they did in Aus at the start, before mclaren got thier hands on thier tyre data.
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Ferrari won due to superior pace, not Alsonso not trying. Hamilton had a box problem, and they were frantically trying different programs to get it working.
3 stops, given his position after the 8th lap works out quicker buy around 10s than his (planned) 2 stopper.
No conspiracy.
Well done to Kimi - he deserved it :y
Shame on McLaren for launching a 'sour grapes' appeal.
Exactly
:y :y :y
Bet they will be using cold fuel next year, and anything else they can get thier hands on.
by thier stds ok to use 2 sets of tyres
ok to cut up Kimi on practice lap
But dont you do anything to us or we will appeal, and throw our toys out of the car.
TAG an excellent engineering company
maclaren an average auto eng company
Ferrari are an auto eng company and only auto eng
Perhaps they where using the controversial damper on the front as they did in Aus at the start, before mclaren got thier hands on thier tyre data.
Give me a break. >:(
All the F1 teams have very highly-skilled engineers on their books. To call any one an "average auto eng company" is plainly wrong, IMHO.
As far as tactics are concerned, all F1 teams/drivers have acted dubiously at times. Take MS parking his Ferrari at Monaco a couple of years ago, for instance. And, as for "cutting up" Kimi in practice, he certainly got his own back at the first corner in the race.
For me, the F1 season can be summed up by saying:
Kimi is a worthy champion :y
Lewis has been little short of brilliant :y
McLaren were fined excessively :(
Ferrari are not untarnished (see Australia) ::)
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i say not bad finishing position for first year in formula one,there is always next year :y :y :y
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Ferrari won due to superior pace, not Alsonso not trying. Hamilton had a box problem, and they were frantically trying different programs to get it working.
3 stops, given his position after the 8th lap works out quicker buy around 10s than his (planned) 2 stopper.
No conspiracy.
Well done to Kimi - he deserved it :y
Shame on McLaren for launching a 'sour grapes' appeal.
Exactly
:y :y :y
Bet they will be using cold fuel next year, and anything else they can get thier hands on.
by thier stds ok to use 2 sets of tyres
ok to cut up Kimi on practice lap
But dont you do anything to us or we will appeal, and throw our toys out of the car.
TAG an excellent engineering company
maclaren an average auto eng company
Ferrari are an auto eng company and only auto eng
Perhaps they where using the controversial damper on the front as they did in Aus at the start, before mclaren got thier hands on thier tyre data.
Give me a break. >:(
All the F1 teams have very highly-skilled engineers on their books. To call any one an "average auto eng company" is plainly wrong, IMHO.
As far as tactics are concerned, all F1 teams/drivers have acted dubiously at times. Take MS parking his Ferrari at Monaco a couple of years ago, for instance. And, as for "cutting up" Kimi in practice, he certainly got his own back at the first corner in the race.
For me, the F1 season can be summed up by saying:
Kimi is a worthy champion :y
Lewis has been little short of brilliant :y
McLaren were fined excessively :(
Ferrari are not untarnished (see Australia) ::)
Hit the nail right on the head Nickbat. :y
I think my whole point of this thread was to provoke a bit of reaction and dicussion and it's certainly done that!! ;) Some very interesting differing points of view out there.
As said previously, there's so much that goes on behind closed doors in this sport, it's virtually impossible to know where the truth lies, and my opinion that there was more to this than meets the eye is unchanged. :P