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Title: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 11:48:46
Hoping to god someone can help me as I'm at my wits end. Just got another Omega (2.5 V6 CD T reg manual) and 3 weeks after it won't start  >:(

Went out this morning, the engine turns over, there seems to be power ok but the damn thing won't fire. Was fine yesterday and nothings happended recently to suggest something like this was going to happen. The only thing that had happened is that we had very heavy rain over the past couple of days.

I would really appreciate any help  :-[
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 28 May 2008, 11:50:23
Do the paperclip test and see if there are any codes stored:y

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687

Probably got a code 19
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 11:58:52
Ok, will do that, and what would I have to do it it is a code 19?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 28 May 2008, 12:00:33
If it is 19 then the crank sensor is furbered, but do the paperclip test first, im only guessing ;)
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: bob.dent on 28 May 2008, 13:41:30
The crank sensor is a common cause of this problem with Omega's.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 13:43:27
*If* the crank sensor needs replacing is it expensive and could I do it myself being a novice?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: jasonxr2racer on 28 May 2008, 13:53:45
Sounds like same prob as i'm having but i got a code 74.

Try removing pipes leading to inlet plenum and see if it starts.

Mine does doing that.

Going to try another MAF sensor when it arrives.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Elite Pete on 28 May 2008, 13:54:03
There are two different sensors and it depends on the shape of the plug and its easy to do :y
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 28 May 2008, 14:35:07
It's dead easy, there is a guide on here.

Flash the codes, first...
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 18:50:08
OK, just followed the instructions but just got a 12 then 31, did it three times to check and same again.

So is this a good thing or bad thing?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 28 May 2008, 20:32:38
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OK, just followed the instructions but just got a 12 then 31, did it three times to check and same again.

So is this a good thing or bad thing?

I would expect a code 19...

Is fuel getting through - fuse 18 ok?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 20:54:36
Just checked, yep fuse 18 for the fuel pump is ok.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: rickyboy on 28 May 2008, 22:33:09
Code 31 is crankshaft sensor (no signal) opposed to code 19 - crankshaft sensor (incorrect signal).
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 22:40:30
It says on the list:

31   No Engine RPM Signal

I thought that was normal if the engine wasn't running?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: JasonH on 28 May 2008, 22:42:43
A 12 and 31 are normal if the engine isn't running.

Later cars do not show the tell-tale 19 code.

If the car turns over fine but with no sign of a spark the prime suspect is the crank sensor.

Cost about £50 for the sensor. Fitting 30 mins if you know what you're doing. Otherwise you'll spend a fair while locating the sensor and connector.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 22:43:39
It is a T reg, where would I get this sensor from?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: rickyboy on 28 May 2008, 22:46:27
Always replace with genuine vauxhall sensors.  Cheap ones off ebay etc usually turn out to be a false economy.  Does sound like the crankshaft sensor is needing replaced but does usually flag a 19.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 28 May 2008, 22:49:34
Ah ok, so if I go to my vauxhall dealer they should sell me one?

Also I've seen the walkthrough, finding the sensor next to the oil filter doesn't seem a problem but it is also connected at the back of the engine, does anyone have a pic of this or is it simple enough to follow the lead back?
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Entwood on 28 May 2008, 22:54:48
Its easy to find .. clipped to the engine lifting bracket, next to the injector multi-plug ... follow the injector wires back .... :)

When I did mine I took the scuttle off for easy access.. as I have big hands.. ..
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 29 May 2008, 18:53:54
Don't know if this adds anything but when the car was rolled and tried to start it made a sound as if it was firing but just not getting there.......
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: rickyboy on 29 May 2008, 19:16:21
Have you checked the basics?  I had a little trouble starting the car recently due to the airbox not being clipped on properly. Check the state of the air filter and also check the injector wiring is all intact.  I assume there are no holes or blockages in the exhaust either.
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: johnnycboy on 29 May 2008, 19:20:57
I had problems with engine cutting out, and turned out to be crank sensor, annoying thing was did not have any codes or eml, took the advice of here here and hey presto the beast is now flying, albeit on two wheels most of the time :y

Heres your picture http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1174321688
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: Malachi on 04 June 2008, 20:38:36
Hey, did turn out to be the sensor after all, many thanks for all your help!
Title: Re: Turns over but won't fire? HELP!!
Post by: johnnycboy on 04 June 2008, 20:53:21
glad you sorted it :y