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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 20 October 2007, 22:29:22
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I work with this guy everyday, know him very well.
He has had his house raided and been arrested by police, for online crimes.
See these news articles - opinions please!
I'm not confident on his employment position, if he's been hosting this stuff at our ISP..
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2195407,00.html
http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/10/19/tv-linkscouk-raided-owner-arrested/
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I don't think his employment position is something he needs to worry about.
Sounds like a custodial to me and a big fine too :(
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I don't think his employment position is something he needs to worry about.
Sounds like a custodial to me and a big fine too :(
Fine is suggested on the web to be One Hundred Million Pounds...
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Firstly, he's innocent until proved guilty.
However, if he is proved guilty then I would guess that your company (ISP if I remember rightly), would terminate his employment give the indusry you are in. Meanwhile they may want to suspend him on full pay awaiting the outcome.
and if he is guilty, what a plonker for calling having such a give away domain name. It may as well been http://www.comeandarrestmeforpiracy.co.uk
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Depends
If he serves torrents he is not breaking the law, if he holds the actual video files he is breaking copywrite law.
If it is films he will get a lot more than if it is TV
Just read a bit more - he is not guilty of anything - he hosts nothing
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I would suspect from the point that he is charged that the company my cease employment...
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Firstly, he's innocent until proved guilty.
However, if he is proved guilty then I would guess that your company (ISP if I remember rightly), would terminate his employment give the indusry you are in. Meanwhile they may want to suspend him on full pay awaiting the outcome.
and if he is guilty, what a plonker for calling having such a give away domain name. It may as well been http://www.comeandarrestmeforpiracy.co.uk
suspend him on full pay :question
They very well may find themselves being held liable if done on thier equipment : thier time : by thier employee. what a bunch if they do not take precautions to protect themselves from thier own employees. I bet there are a few people there with thier fingers crossed.
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Firstly, he's innocent until proved guilty.
However, if he is proved guilty then I would guess that your company (ISP if I remember rightly), would terminate his employment give the indusry you are in. Meanwhile they may want to suspend him on full pay awaiting the outcome.
and if he is guilty, what a plonker for calling having such a give away domain name. It may as well been http://www.comeandarrestmeforpiracy.co.uk
suspend him on full pay :question
They very well may find themselves being held liable if done on thier equipment : thier time : by thier employee. what a bunch if they do not take precautions to protect themselves from thier own employees. I bet there are a few people there with thier fingers crossed.
He may have already been suspended.. and it may be on full pay.. but I cannot comment on company internals here...
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Looks like they may well be innocent ::)...however, the group FACT may just want to try this one out as an example, potentially the first case of its kind in the UK?, Interesting to see what the outcome is.
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Can't really comment on the specifics, copyright and piracy laws are a bit vague and their enforcement very selective. The main issues behind it is that (a) infringements are very common and not always practical to enforce, i.e. they can't chase everyone who bought a pirated DVD for a Pound, and (b) in all cases this is motivated by commercial organisation e.g. FACT or BAST who utilise the services of Police, but the Police will rarely seek out offenders on their own accord unless guided by the copyright owners.
If this goes to court, your colleague may very well find that although he will be prosecuted by the CPS, it will be FACT people sitting behind them who will be running the show. And no doubt they will want to make an example out of him this is how they operate.
But as general advise, it is not about being right, because a police raid, arrest, and prosecution can ruin someone quite easily even if he is eventually found not guilty.
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Can't really comment on the specifics, copyright and piracy laws are a bit vague and their enforcement very selective. The main issues behind it is that (a) infringements are very common and not always practical to enforce, i.e. they can't chase everyone who bought a pirated DVD for a Pound, and (b) in all cases this is motivated by commercial organisation e.g. FACT or BAST who utilise the services of Police, but the Police will rarely seek out offenders on their own accord unless guided by the copyright owners.
If this goes to court, your colleague may very well find that although he will be prosecuted by the CPS, it will be FACT people sitting behind them who will be running the show. And no doubt they will want to make an example out of him this is how they operate.
But as general advise, it is not about being right, because a police raid, arrest, and prosecution can ruin someone quite easily even if he is eventually found not guilty.
tes not good either way whatever the outcome >:(...................Oh and by the way welcome newbie ::)
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Can't really comment on the specifics, copyright and piracy laws are a bit vague and their enforcement very selective. The main issues behind it is that (a) infringements are very common and not always practical to enforce, i.e. they can't chase everyone who bought a pirated DVD for a Pound, and (b) in all cases this is motivated by commercial organisation e.g. FACT or BAST who utilise the services of Police, but the Police will rarely seek out offenders on their own accord unless guided by the copyright owners.
If this goes to court, your colleague may very well find that although he will be prosecuted by the CPS, it will be FACT people sitting behind them who will be running the show. And no doubt they will want to make an example out of him this is how they operate.
But as general advise, it is not about being right, because a police raid, arrest, and prosecution can ruin someone quite easily even if he is eventually found not guilty.
tes not good either way whatever the outcome >:(...................Oh and by the way welcome newbie ::)
...Twice newbie... it's my second time you know 8-)
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Can't really comment on the specifics, copyright and piracy laws are a bit vague and their enforcement very selective. The main issues behind it is that (a) infringements are very common and not always practical to enforce, i.e. they can't chase everyone who bought a pirated DVD for a Pound, and (b) in all cases this is motivated by commercial organisation e.g. FACT or BAST who utilise the services of Police, but the Police will rarely seek out offenders on their own accord unless guided by the copyright owners.
If this goes to court, your colleague may very well find that although he will be prosecuted by the CPS, it will be FACT people sitting behind them who will be running the show. And no doubt they will want to make an example out of him this is how they operate.
But as general advise, it is not about being right, because a police raid, arrest, and prosecution can ruin someone quite easily even if he is eventually found not guilty.
tes not good either way whatever the outcome >:(...................Oh and by the way welcome newbie ::)
...Twice newbie... it's my second time you know 8-)
Besides... I am in good company, Kevin Wood is a newbie as well... apparently... :o
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Can't really comment on the specifics, copyright and piracy laws are a bit vague and their enforcement very selective. The main issues behind it is that (a) infringements are very common and not always practical to enforce, i.e. they can't chase everyone who bought a pirated DVD for a Pound, and (b) in all cases this is motivated by commercial organisation e.g. FACT or BAST who utilise the services of Police, but the Police will rarely seek out offenders on their own accord unless guided by the copyright owners.
If this goes to court, your colleague may very well find that although he will be prosecuted by the CPS, it will be FACT people sitting behind them who will be running the show. And no doubt they will want to make an example out of him this is how they operate.
But as general advise, it is not about being right, because a police raid, arrest, and prosecution can ruin someone quite easily even if he is eventually found not guilty.
tes not good either way whatever the outcome >:(...................Oh and by the way welcome newbie ::)
...Twice newbie... it's my second time you know 8-)
Besides... I am in good company, Kevin Wood is a newbie as well... apparently... :o
And me.
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Haha! Welcome, CZ! ;D
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Haha! Welcome, CZ! ;D
3 new newbies ;D.....what did you all do to deserve that then, did you catch someone on a bad day ;D
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I don't think his employment position is something he needs to worry about.
Sounds like a custodial to me and a big fine too :(
agreed, keeping out of jail seems to be his priority :-/
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like it said tho, no one's raided the video hosting sites, just his link site
what exactly is he meant to have done wrong?? :-/
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I don't think his employment position is something he needs to worry about.
Sounds like a custodial to me and a big fine too :(
agreed, keeping out of jail seems to be his priority :-/
What has he done illegal though?
Can't see any law breaking as he is not hosting the files.
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There are Hundreds if not thousands of Internet sites that do exactly the same, just redirect to the files.
Are we looking at a major breakthrough here or are the people behind FACT just trying to let us know what
they are there for?
I for one would like to know what they Intend to charge him with?
As for the work Situation, James obviously knows how far the man has gone in Abusing the firms time and
resorces.
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Haha! Welcome, CZ! ;D
3 new newbies ;D.....what did you all do to deserve that then, did you catch someone on a bad day ;D
Yes, but I can't say who, as I do want my posts back... :(
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Haha! Welcome, CZ! ;D
3 new newbies ;D.....what did you all do to deserve that then, did you catch someone on a bad day ;D
Yes, but I can't say who, as I do want my posts back... :(
Hopefully won't be too long :y, maybe the Forum posties are still on strike ;D ;D
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Well i'm pretty peed off. I used that site quite a lot. >:(
Besides, I might be wrong, but it seemed to me that all the site did was to provide links to externally hosted material? It just provided the links in a catalogued form. Same sort of thing as this. (http://www4.alluc.org/alluc/) Is that illegal?
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My former boss in a company I was working for 15 years ago was prosecuted at the time by his local Trading Standards Office. The company I was working for was and IT company, but the owner had an unrelated side-business selling car parts. Basically one of the major car manufacturers accused him of importing and distributing fake car parts. Well he claimed that the parts were genuine, though he imported them himself and did not purchase them through the official manufacturer's UK distribution channel.
Incidentally this is a common practice in many industries, because UK prices are typically higher than in other parts of the world (e.g. Europe or the US), and manufacturers are very keen to keep their distribution chains under tight control to ensure they can charge the higher prices here. This practice is unofficially referred to as 'grey import', and strictly speaking it is NOT illegal, but as said manufacturers will go into great length to stop this means by any means possible.
In the case of my former Boss, the Trading Standards Office confiscated and destroyed his goods, then took him through 5 years off grief followed by criminal prosecution and a trail, by the end of which he was found not guilty. But by then not only did his car parts business close down, and he was never compensated for his confiscated goods, but all of the other business who did the same stopped doing this. So from the manufacturer's point of view this was good result, even though no one was actually convicted - the managed to plug the hole and keep their revenues flowing.
My boss told me at the time that the car manufacturer's people were present at the initial raid and at every meeting he had with the Standards Officer, as well as through the trial itself. He had no doubt that the prosecution was being driven forward by the manufacturer, and that the Standards officer and CPS were just going along with it.
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Another case I know of is a company that used to import branded computer parts from Europe, again the 'grey import' principal. The manufacturer could not legally stop this because of the EU, but apparently they monitored the company's activity and finally caught them on some technicality to do with laptops that were imported from China and not from Europe. This was a commercial dispute, not criminal, but the manufacturer went done on them with what would have been a massive law suit and the distributor preferred to simply close shop.
The point I am making is that while the copyright owners would ideally like to see a successful prosecution, it is still a win-win situation for them. For starters they got the police to close down your colleague's site, which got advertised and sent a strong message through out the industry. This by itself is a positive result for them, regardless on whether your colleague actually gets prosecuted and/or convicted.
This what I was referring to when I said earlier it is not about being right, he can still be ruined by the process even if he is not actually convicted at the end...
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Looks like they're making the rounds, any more examples to be made this week?