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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Dave-C on 18 October 2007, 18:32:35
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I received this as an e-mail today, just thought it may create some interest on here..
DC
READ THIS...READ THIS!!!!
See what you think and pass it on if you agree with it....
We are hitting 99.9p a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying over £1 a litre!!!!
(This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.)
BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.
Please read it and join in!
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place, not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, if you can avoid it, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!
Now, don't wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it.....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all (and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE. It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso.
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yup got that today too....but dont they also supply many of the independants too ?
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yes they do but if we boycott the main then they still won't be selling as much will they so prices will have to come down.
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Problem is, they only have top come down a penny or two and everyone'll flock back.
As it is, those two have the highest prices around here anyway so I wouldn't fill up there unless I was on vapour in the first place.
Speaking of vapour, promoting LPG conversion en masse might be a better solution.
Kevin
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Trouble is it's not the Oil companies. I think that the total tax now added
to the price of fuel is nearly 70%. So it's Gordon and Alastair, (get everywhere
these Scots, don't they ::) ), that need attacking, not the Oil Companies.
The price of Crude Oil is decided by the Supply and Demand functions on the
world's spot markets, not the Oil companies, with also plenty of verbal 'rigging'
intervention by OPEC if the price drops down out of their favoured 'Band'.
Also, as Oil is priced and sold in US Dollars, the price must go up if the Dollar falls
so as to keep the 'value' of the price the same. At the moment the US Dollar
is in deep decline and shows no sign of stopping falling as yet.
Also, geo-political risks to Oil supply puts a 'Risk Premium' into the Spot Price.
At the moment, with Turkey about to invade Northern Iraq, it is estimated that
there is about a $20 'Risk Premium' built into the price.
The price of Oil is expected to exceed $100 a barrel within the next 12 months,
maybe even before the end of the year.
So you see, the only way you are going to get cheaper petrol is for the Tax
to be reduced. So in my opinion, the strategy in that e-mail is doomed to
failure.
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Problem is, they only have top come down a penny or two and everyone'll flock back.
As it is, those two have the highest prices around here anyway so I wouldn't fill up there unless I was on vapour in the first place.
Speaking of vapour, promoting LPG conversion en masse might be a better solution.
Kevin
Agreed Kevin, However, I like many others would be reluctant to spend around a grand on an older motor, even with the savings in mind...
Where is your post score gone??? Not upset anyone have you?? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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We should be more like the French and bring the country to a stand still :y
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Idea seems sound & i know they all make mega bucks from us drivers but if BP, Shell & the like are announcing annual pre tax profits of around 12 - 15 billion pounds & it is all a cartel i just wondered if anyone knew how much the government rakes in on duty & VAT over the last financial year, me thinks it would be a bit more :(
Don't do BP anyway as they have teamed up with M&S, so muppets put in £5 in petrol, leave car at the
pump & go in to do a weeks shopping AAARRRGGGGHHH >:( >:(
too slow again :-[
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Just a view on the tax revenue.... If we purchased less fuel, then the
to55ers Government would get less duty, however, we would still be buying the same amount but, from another source!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-/
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The problem is that for the owner operators of the filling stations, life is not a bowl of cherries. They still have a living to make. Whilst this would not hurt the petrol companies much it may put some people out of business. :(
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Where is your post score gone??? Not upset anyone have you??
Shark attack. That's not the worst of it. You should see the wounds. ;D
Just a view on the tax revenue.... If we purchased less fuel, then the to55ers Government would get less duty, however, we would still be buying the same amount but, from another source!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep. got to fund all their red tape some how. Road pricing would be fast tracked into existence and the number of speed cameras would rocket.
Kevin
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Where is your post score gone??? Not upset anyone have you??
Shark attack. That's not the worst of it. You should see the wounds. ;D
Just a view on the tax revenue.... If we purchased less fuel, then the to55ers Government would get less duty, however, we would still be buying the same amount but, from another source!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep. got to fund all their red tape some how. Road pricing would be fast tracked into existence and the number of speed cameras would rocket.
Kevin
Mmmmmmmmm! Think you're right there...
DC
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Idea seems sound & i know they all make mega bucks from us drivers but if BP, Shell & the like are announcing annual pre tax profits of around 12 - 15 billion pounds & it is all a cartel i just wondered if anyone knew how much the government rakes in on duty & VAT over the last financial year, me thinks it would be a bit more
As said before, approx 70% of the petrol price is Tax.
Also, the Oil companies get taxed at source on the crude oil that they produce.
BP is a global company, so it makes its money from around the globe, not just the
UK. It brings Billions of £'s into the UK coffers. Not just in Tax either. Your Pension
plan will own BP shares and will be receiving millions of £'s a year in dividends and
share price appreciation over the years.
The Oil companies are not the enemy here.
Asia, China, India, Russia, South America etc.. are expanding and coming into their
own industrial age, similar to what the Western countries have already achieved.
This is causing an exponential increase in the demand for Oil. At the current rate
of demand increase there will not be enough Oil to go around without finding more
deposits. Hence the current round of Wars and nationalisation/ repatriation of Oil
and Commodity companies around the World.
As the price increases it makes economic sense to extract the Oil from the Tar Sands
in Canada. Without the price rise it wouldn't be economically viable. This is bringing
other alternative energies into play, such as wind and solar power. The more you
can reduce the demand for Oil, the less reliant you are on the Oil producing countries.
They can't hold you to Ransom.
The Government needs to reduce Oil and Gas demand, hence the Tax prices to try
and reduce folk using so much. It's nothing to do with 'Green' ecological consciences.
It's also why George Bush has attacked Iraq and is threatening Iran. He needs to secure
America's Oil supply until America is less reliant on it, otherwise America's enemies
will have him literally over a barrel and America's economy will be ruined.
Everything is wheels within wheels and boils down to power and finance.
This e-mail will have as much effect as pi**ing in the wind.
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We should be more like the French and bring the country to a stand still :y
Agreed - bring back the fuel protesters I say.
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I'm boycotting all petrol stations for at least another week ;D
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:-?I usually fill up @ supermarket forecourts but who supplies them? :-/
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Just a thought. Are you cretain this is not just another virus spreading scam?
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I wondered that. Its certainly a chain/pyramid letter.
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Idea seems sound & i know they all make mega bucks from us drivers but if BP, Shell & the like are announcing annual pre tax profits of around 12 - 15 billion pounds & it is all a cartel i just wondered if anyone knew how much the government rakes in on duty & VAT over the last financial year, me thinks it would be a bit more
As said before, approx 70% of the petrol price is Tax.
Also, the Oil companies get taxed at source on the crude oil that they produce.
BP is a global company, so it makes its money from around the globe, not just the
UK. It brings Billions of £'s into the UK coffers. Not just in Tax either. Your Pension
plan will own BP shares and will be receiving millions of £'s a year in dividends and
share price appreciation over the years.
The Oil companies are not the enemy here.
Asia, China, India, Russia, South America etc.. are expanding and coming into their
own industrial age, similar to what the Western countries have already achieved.
This is causing an exponential increase in the demand for Oil. At the current rate
of demand increase there will not be enough Oil to go around without finding more
deposits. Hence the current round of Wars and nationalisation/ repatriation of Oil
and Commodity companies around the World.
As the price increases it makes economic sense to extract the Oil from the Tar Sands
in Canada. Without the price rise it wouldn't be economically viable. This is bringing
other alternative energies into play, such as wind and solar power. The more you
can reduce the demand for Oil, the less reliant you are on the Oil producing countries.
They can't hold you to Ransom.
The Government needs to reduce Oil and Gas demand, hence the Tax prices to try
and reduce folk using so much. It's nothing to do with 'Green' ecological consciences.
It's also why George Bush has attacked Iraq and is threatening Iran. He needs to secure
America's Oil supply until America is less reliant on it, otherwise America's enemies
will have him literally over a barrel and America's economy will be ruined.
Everything is wheels within wheels and boils down to power and finance.
This e-mail will have as much effect as pi**ing in the wind.
A very wise and Interesting view, a view that i have, (up to now) never taken into concideration.
I must say that i tend to agree with you.
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Thanks, Sir Crazydad, I was beginning to feel like the lone voice
crying in the wilderness. :)
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If anyone is interested in how 'Peak Oil' is likely to effect them in regard
to lifestyle, finance or politics, have a read of the following link.
Some reckon we're already at 'Peak Oil', some reckon it's 20yrs away.
Either way, the effects have already begun. It just depends on how far
down the road we are.
We live in interesting times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
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Just a thought. Are you cretain this is not just another virus spreading scam?
Maybe! Fear not, I've c&p'd it into the forum as text... it passed my Norton. It's also passed our company virus guard...
DC
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Oil now over $90 a barrel.
OPEC either can't or wont increase production as promised by Saudi Arabia.
Let's hope the other OPEC members are dragging their feet so as to keep
the price up, because if it's a case of they can't increase production
then life is going to start to get very difficult.
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/oil-tops-90-on-opec-report/20071025152909990001
Note that George Bush is also upping the verbals on Iran, and is trying to
sneak a bill through congress for money for Bunker Busting bombs.
There's only one place these bombs could be used at...........and we all
know where that is, don't we?
http://www.liberalavenger.com/2007/10/25/bush-request-includes-bunker-busters-stealth-bombers/
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To give you some perspective, 3 yrs ago Oil was approx $40.
Edit. Link deleted as chart wouldn't show correctly.
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This Monday, Tesco reintroduced their 5p/litre off if £50 is spent in store. Got to be worthwhile, given the prices these days.
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I've always subscribed to the "Clarkson" point of view on this matter. But I think it's coming to the point where we all have to take responsibility for the future. When I look at my 8 year olds angelic little face, I do wonder what his future is going to be.
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Idea seems sound & i know they all make mega bucks from us drivers but if BP, Shell & the like are announcing annual pre tax profits of around 12 - 15 billion pounds & it is all a cartel i just wondered if anyone knew how much the government rakes in on duty & VAT over the last financial year, me thinks it would be a bit more
As said before, approx 70% of the petrol price is Tax.
Also, the Oil companies get taxed at source on the crude oil that they produce.
BP is a global company, so it makes its money from around the globe, not just the
UK. It brings Billions of £'s into the UK coffers. Not just in Tax either. Your Pension
plan will own BP shares and will be receiving millions of £'s a year in dividends and
share price appreciation over the years.
The Oil companies are not the enemy here.
Asia, China, India, Russia, South America etc.. are expanding and coming into their
own industrial age, similar to what the Western countries have already achieved.
This is causing an exponential increase in the demand for Oil. At the current rate
of demand increase there will not be enough Oil to go around without finding more
deposits. Hence the current round of Wars and nationalisation/ repatriation of Oil
and Commodity companies around the World.
As the price increases it makes economic sense to extract the Oil from the Tar Sands
in Canada. Without the price rise it wouldn't be economically viable. This is bringing
other alternative energies into play, such as wind and solar power. The more you
can reduce the demand for Oil, the less reliant you are on the Oil producing countries.
They can't hold you to Ransom.
The Government needs to reduce Oil and Gas demand, hence the Tax prices to try
and reduce folk using so much. It's nothing to do with 'Green' ecological consciences.
It's also why George Bush has attacked Iraq and is threatening Iran. He needs to secure
America's Oil supply until America is less reliant on it, otherwise America's enemies
will have him literally over a barrel and America's economy will be ruined.
Everything is wheels within wheels and boils down to power and finance.
This e-mail will have as much effect as pi**ing in the wind.
I think that you will find that Russia & S.America are net exporters.
The momentum on fuel tax was lost when they allowed Blair off the hook. It will never be allowed to happen again.
supermarket fuel 30% ethanol is it so cheap :question
Now all you folk who agreed with the smoking ban are starting to pay the tax. ouch
The only way it will alter is via the ballot box.