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Title: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 03 August 2008, 10:53:00
this only happens every so often
try starting and its if no fuel in few a few secs then it fires up
engine light on goes into safe mode
turn engine off did this at lights last night turned back on power back
light still on
now i will be going out to car in min but i bet (i hope) light will be out.
my car runs on lpg so could it be petrol evapourated when i try starting and car thinks theres a prob
any one out there with duel fuel have same trouble
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: tunnie on 03 August 2008, 10:58:02
get some codes, sounds like cam sensor. Do you have problems starting when warm? (lots of cranking)
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: VXL V6 on 03 August 2008, 10:59:45
When you say 'goes into safe mode' what do you mean? 'SAFE' displayed on the dashboard?
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 03 August 2008, 11:49:55
no just the engine symbol and i cant accelerate hard can get up to speed but takes a while
the fault only occurs after i have run the car but it only happens once every few months
will it last till after my trip to france in few days time
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: mark.adams on 03 August 2008, 11:55:15
I had the exact same problem until i capped off my EGR valve yesterday.
Open up a coke can, use the metal to make a gasket to cap off the EGR valve, job done...
I take it the light you are referring to is the emissions light (shape of an engine)
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 03 August 2008, 12:06:06
thats great news
now gives us a clue to where egr valve is it something t do with exhaust emmisions
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Auto Addict on 03 August 2008, 17:38:28
Cam Sensor!
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 05 August 2008, 12:05:42
right here goes
last night car in drive very slight incline
had to crank over 2 or 3 times before start
spanner came on but engine fine
engine had been run a couple of hours before
parked up 1/2 hour car strted perfect no spanner
now my question is I am going to france thurs morning
if it is the cam sensor will it give up completely while over there or is it something that has to be done now
is it easy
should i get one from dealer and take it with me
help needed urgently
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: tunnie on 05 August 2008, 12:07:33
read the post above.

Cam sensor!
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 05 August 2008, 12:13:42
what are you on about i have read above and i want to know where cam sensor is is it easy to replace this has been intermittant for a year now if easy to do i will do it now
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: rickyboy on 05 August 2008, 12:21:09
You will see the plug for the camsensor at the front of the engine.  Take the drive belt and the timing belt cover off.  The camsensor sits inbetween the two cams.  It is a small metal bar with a plug on top of it.  Undo the bolt and lift it clear of the engine.  You can try cleaning the sensor and its mating face first but you will more than likely need to replace.  Very easy job shouldn't take long.
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 05 August 2008, 12:25:31
thanks ricky this is all i needed to know just wish i had done it when i put new timing belt on the other week
so if i get what you are saying i should be able to get it out without touching new timing belt?
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: rickyboy on 05 August 2008, 12:27:58
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thanks ricky this is all i needed to know just wish i had done it when i put new timing belt on the other week
so if i get what you are saying i should be able to get it out without touching new timing belt?

Yes that's right leave the timing belt alone - take the fan/auxilliary belt off just to get better access to remove the timing belt cover.
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 05 August 2008, 12:33:14
just been on to dealer
£60 for new one and thats trade!!!
so I might just try and clean it or should  Ijust leave it getting paranoid now
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: rickyboy on 05 August 2008, 16:30:16
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just been on to dealer
£60 for new one and thats trade!!!
so I might just try and clean it or should  Ijust leave it getting paranoid now

As said, you can try cleaning it first.  I would (fixed mine) if it doesn't work then you'll have to replace.  If you're going to France I think you definitely need to sort the fault before you leave.  Could cost you more in the long run.
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 05 August 2008, 16:42:30
hi rick
just cleaned it but the trouble is the car can run ok like it did  last time this fault occurred months ago.
I have took pictures of sensor and i have the part number so hopefully cleaning it has sorted it.
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: feeutfo on 05 August 2008, 17:27:04
tbh if it was me i would not want to be buggering off to France with a dodgy cam sensor. Would have a word with your vx parts dept. and see if they will let you refund it when you get back if you dont need it. If it plays up in frogs vil miles from your nearest stripey t shirt on a bike itll cost you a bloody site more than 60 sobs.

Apologies to our nearest european friends!
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: rickyboy on 05 August 2008, 18:13:44
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hi rick
just cleaned it but the trouble is the car can run ok like it did  last time this fault occurred months ago.
I have took pictures of sensor and i have the part number so hopefully cleaning it has sorted it.

Depends really on how dirty it was.  When I cleaned my sensor last (over two years ago now with no recurring fault) it had oil on it and its mating face was dirty so it makes sense why cleaning it helped.  Did  you reset the light at all or did it immediately go out on restarting?  Also did it fire straight away or did it still need some persuasion?  The only thing that puts me off saying it will definitely be fine is the fact that you're going to France.  Could be real blow if it packed in over there.  
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Elite Pete on 05 August 2008, 18:20:33
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get some codes, sounds like cam sensor. Do you have problems starting when warm? (lots of cranking)
Do you mean cam sensor or crank sensor?
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: rickyboy on 05 August 2008, 18:26:08
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get some codes, sounds like cam sensor. Do you have problems starting when warm? (lots of cranking)
Do you mean cam sensor or crank sensor?

Cam sensor - 4 pot Pete!  :)
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Elite Pete on 05 August 2008, 18:27:29
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get some codes, sounds like cam sensor. Do you have problems starting when warm? (lots of cranking)
Do you mean cam sensor or crank sensor?

Cam sensor - 4 pot Pete!  :)
Ooops :-[
Title: Re: prob starting
Post by: Arpy on 06 August 2008, 08:26:27
started perfect but going to ring dealer and see if i can buy and refund if not needed
will let you know how i went on