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Title: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 23 October 2007, 22:07:45
Yes, yes i swore...... but hang on...

Been looking at these.... if i sell the project lpg i fancy a change.

I have been looking at 535's

It looks like they have a V8 engine? - Also been looking at 528's

Few questions, are the engines belt or chains, any major problems? Anyone had some experiance of them??

Btw looking at the previous shape, not current ones. 1996-1999 cars....
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 23 October 2007, 22:15:11
You Traitor  [smiley=evil.gif]
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: CaptainZok on 23 October 2007, 22:22:12
I bet TB is on his way over to slap you right now
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 23 October 2007, 22:53:50
he does not know my address  ;)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Jay w on 23 October 2007, 22:56:52
i believe they are chain driven, but please dont quote me on that

why a BMW, why not put the money into something that you represents better value for money, they are overpriced and will have intergalatic mileage on them, and from wat the father in law has told me the electrics can be a bit ropey as they get older
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 23 October 2007, 23:09:19
i want something with more grunt, and can cruise better at higher motorway speeds.

I am not a fan of the V6.....
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 23 October 2007, 23:13:50
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I am not a fan of the V6.....

Is that because you've never owned a good example of one?

My old 2.5 CDX, was one of the best running Omega's I ever come across, it used to really light up my face, much more than some 3.0's I have driven

Do you really need more power? :P
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 23 October 2007, 23:16:28
Yes they are chain driven, and the earlier ones have duplex chains that will out-last the engine as long as the oil is changed on schedule... 300k miles is not unheard of!

I owned a 540i which is a V8, as is the 535i, same block but about 60 BHP power difference. You can get the 540i with a 6-speed gearbox, and it's a great cruiser, much more torquey than the 3.0 Omega, and it's got noticably more top-end too being a 32V engine that peaks around 6,000 RPM. Very well put together too. I'd imagine the 535i is much the same, but a bit less power, probably lower spec, and I think they were 5-speed too. Sport spec is best, you get nicer seats, better suspension and they look better too (different bumpers). I expect 535i and above will all be at least SE spec so most of the toys inc leather will be standard.

If I could find a good 6-speed 540i at the right price I'd have another in a heartbeat. It was a great car which handles really well for its size, and the engine is a great combination of lazy torque but also top-end power when you want to drop a few cogs and thrash it a little. A lot more expensive than the Omega, yes, but personally I think it's a much better car -- the engine alone is a huge bonus, on the Omega the 3.0 is underpowered for the top spec model on a car weighing 1650 Kg.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 23 October 2007, 23:19:50
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I am not a fan of the V6.....

Is that because you've never owned a good example of one?

My old 2.5 CDX, was one of the best running Omega's I ever come across, it used to really light up my face, much more than some 3.0's I have driven

Do you really need more power? :P

I have driven TB's 3.0 MV6 quite a few times.... just does not feel fast.

I just don't find the V6's very insipring compared to the Senators.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markie on 23 October 2007, 23:21:53
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I am not a fan of the V6.....

Is that because you've never owned a good example of one?

My old 2.5 CDX, was one of the best running Omega's I ever come across, it used to really light up my face, much more than some 3.0's I have driven

Do you really need more power? :P

I have driven TB's 3.0 MV6 quite a few times.... just does not feel fast.

I just don't find the V6's very insipring compared to the Senators.

im with you Tunnie....going back for a second test drive on  330ci clubsport tomorrow....i fancy a change too.....


be aware of the nikasil issue on  v`8s
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 23 October 2007, 23:23:38
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I am not a fan of the V6.....

Is that because you've never owned a good example of one?

My old 2.5 CDX, was one of the best running Omega's I ever come across, it used to really light up my face, much more than some 3.0's I have driven

Do you really need more power? :P

I have to say I agree completely with Tunnie. I have never been particularly impressed with the grunt of the Omega, and seeing as mine is the quickest retail model you can buy (bettered only by the very rare manual 3.2) there's no real upgrade from here other than big bucks on aftermarket modifications. It's a heavy car, the 3.0 V6 would probably be great in the Vectra B due to lower weight but it just doesn't cut it in the Omega IMO. The high gearing doesn't help either -- it's not unusual for me to drop to 3rd gear at 70MPH when I need a bit of grunt.

Funnily enough though I'd say motorway cruising is one thing it's pretty good at, it's pretty refined and quiet at speed, and there's reasonable torque for when you need to adjust speed a little even going up hills.

Maybe I'm just too used to gutsy cars having owned an Impreza WRX STi, BMW 540i and BMW 840Ci as my last three (along with a few runarounds, some of which were slower than the Omega and drove me insane!) but I think that V8 that was almost released, along with the 6-speed gearbox would have made the Omega a much better proposition.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 23 October 2007, 23:28:03
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I am not a fan of the V6.....

Is that because you've never owned a good example of one?

My old 2.5 CDX, was one of the best running Omega's I ever come across, it used to really light up my face, much more than some 3.0's I have driven

Do you really need more power? :P

I have driven TB's 3.0 MV6 quite a few times.... just does not feel fast.

I just don't find the V6's very insipring compared to the Senators.

im with you Tunnie....going back for a second test drive on  330ci clubsport tomorrow....i fancy a change too.....


be aware of the nikasil issue on  v`8s

My dad has a 330Ci Sport (not CS) and it's a great car, very chuckable and well balanced, and the steering is much more responsive than the Omega. Brakes are a little over assisted for my liking but they're reasonably strong. Try and get the 6-speed version if you can, as even though the engine is torquey it really likes to be revved to get the best out of it, and a 6-speeder would work really well. Or does the CS come with SMG? That would be interesting! Never driven one but I'd like to try it some time, not convinced I'll like it but you never know.

BTW Nikasil isn't an issue on the M62 V8, which is fitted to all E39 V8 models (except the M5 which is S62). They have alusil liners so no problems there.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 23 October 2007, 23:34:28
How about a minor modification to the V6 project car.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lotus-Carlton-Ex-development-engine-complete-rare_W0QQitemZ260172659210QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260172659210

That should give it a little more acceleration....

Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: amigov6 on 23 October 2007, 23:43:26
 :-/BMW's are cracking motors, despite the twits that drive some of them. Probably better build quality than vx, but i've no real experience of 540i's... although i do like them. I've also never driven a 3.0 Mig (yet) so accept that given their weight they may not be the quickest thing in their class, but having driven 520/30's i can say that despite more solid feeling switchgear, after a Mig they feel very small inside. Not easy, i suggest you run both!!!!!!!!! 8-)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Nickbat on 24 October 2007, 00:50:09
Sorry Tunnie, but sometimes you have to look beyond the engineering. Here in North London, Beemers are status symbols and they are often driven by aggressive prats.  >:(

To me they have just become automotive bling.  :(

For that reason, I wouldn't get behind the wheel of one (...except maybe a "vintage" 630CSi  ;)).
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 24 October 2007, 06:51:05
Just my 2p worth.....imo

For the same size of the omega....you will to go for a 7 series.

I had a 735SE for about a year or so......built quality was good and it never let me down......what i got fed up with it was......the 15mpg it used to do  :( ...... i was doing a reasonable commute in it.....and it was using £70 of petrol every 4 days  :o ......in the end i swapped it for a vectra v6  :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markjay on 24 October 2007, 10:37:37
A colleague at work had the 535 Sport (it has some M-Power bits from the M5), and yes it was a V8. He wrote it off a couple of weeks ago and bought a 05 plate 7-series (haven't seen it yet, not sure about the engine size).

The 535 was on S Plates, and was a (relatively) high-miler when he bought it second-hand some 5 years ago. It was not a good one in my opinion... he had various problems with it including having the auto box reconditioned as well as some other problems with the cooling system (the BMW dealer couldn't figure it out so short-circuit the thermoswitch which made the fans run at al times and the car was very noisy at idle), and the airbag light was constantly on (something to do with the passenger's side seat connectors which were apparently very costly to replace).

So based on his experience I wouldn't buy one, though to be fair he did buy it with a 70k or so and no history.

Also, there were some problems with the Nikasil cylinder coating on some early V8 engines, this is well documented on the internet if you look at Wikipedia or google it.

 

Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Martin_1962 on 24 October 2007, 11:13:27
The 5 series is a little cramped inside, good car though, age for age and engine size I'd say no better than the equivalent Vauxhall, which means that around 3 litres the old GSI3000 Carlton was not worse nor were the same sized Omegas.

The old 535 12v 6 had similar performance to the 24v 6s from GM, but a bit torquier.

My boss has had 2
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: JiMbOb789 on 24 October 2007, 11:25:00
my dad owns a black 525i sport. it has all the m-tek kit on it and goes like the wind!
Jamie
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 24 October 2007, 12:56:56
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Yes, yes i swore...... but hang on...

Been looking at these.... if i sell the project lpg i fancy a change.

I have been looking at 535's

It looks like they have a V8 engine? - Also been looking at 528's

Few questions, are the engines belt or chains, any major problems? Anyone had some experiance of them??

Btw looking at the previous shape, not current ones. 1996-1999 cars....

Although a bit weaker inline 6    530 is best in 5 series ...Have no problem

528 is the most problemmatic.  540 is thirsty and have cooling system issues..

my preference is 330 if I can afford next century..
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Admin on 24 October 2007, 15:33:26
Tunnie... BMW??  ::)

If you want the extra power and "zip" have you thought about a Saab Aero (9000 or 9-5 in 2.3 form)?
A LOT faster than the Omega with superb high speed cruising ability
Oh and a heck of a lot cheaper than a BMW and the rest of the road users won't despise you. ;)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: ians on 24 October 2007, 16:24:27
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Tunnie... BMW??  ::)

If you want the extra power and "zip" have you thought about a Saab Aero (9000 or 9-5 in 2.3 form)?
A LOT faster than the Omega with superb high speed cruising ability
Oh and a heck of a lot cheaper than a BMW and the rest of the road users won't despise you. ;)

:y
I was fortunate to have a 9-5 Aero estate for a while (called HOT here I believe - I was in Sweden at the time).  Great combination of performance when you want it and relaxed cruising.  Also very economical.

and as LB says people won't automatically think your a pr@t

Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: miggy on 24 October 2007, 17:04:58
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Yes, yes i swore...... but hang on...

Been looking at these.... if i sell the project lpg i fancy a change.

I have been looking at 535's

It looks like they have a V8 engine? - Also been looking at 528's

Few questions, are the engines belt or chains, any major problems? Anyone had some experiance of them??

Btw looking at the previous shape, not current ones. 1996-1999 cars....

Down with you, traitor, turn coat, off with his head.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: TheBoy on 24 October 2007, 19:03:07
Be aware with the Beemers, they have woeful reliability (know someone who work for their warranty), and as we've began to discover recently, sensor faults are not flagged up on dash.

Not sure why you think my MV6 is slow, but not your Senator? We proved which was the quickest.  I also seem to recall you blatting it at high speed down A43 when it was running rough...

Your poorly V6 is quicker than your 2.2 (I was ragging the nuts off it to keep up with you when we picked it up).

There are quicker cars around, but I think you need to be looking at smaller engined, lighter cars if thats what you want...
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: mantahatch on 24 October 2007, 20:28:48
Hi Guys
Last year I bought my first Omega, previous to that I had a Vectra and belonged to a Vectra forum.
And this was a post I made in 2006.

"I have just had my summer holiday in France, taking my ageing and high mileage 1996 Omega with me on the ferry from Portsmouth to St Malo.
Whilst queing for the ferry to leave good old blighty all of us saw the broken down BMW 4x4 X5 I think you call them being loaded on to a recovery truck, many of us chuckled.
 
After my holiday on the ferry back, I am driving down the ferrys loading ramp to be met by another BMW 4x4 being pushed off the ferry by 4 burly dock workers, another chuckle from my group in the car. and to end the story there are 2 lines of traffic coming off the ferry and I am driving slowly to go through customs alongside a 5 series BMW which breaks down alongside me, and as we slowly move off the driver is getting out and opening the bonnet.
In a 2 week holiday to France I saw 3 broken down cars all 3 of them BMW's.
Moral: is the german car any better, I don't think so.
I have posted this here because I have seen a posts in the past knocking Vauxhall and people saying "I have had enough of Vauxhall" and "I'm off to buy a german car".
Maybe those people should think twice, many many people witnessed these events, also strange how other people in bmw's suddenly had tunnel vision and would not look at the broken down bmw's, bet they would have looked and sneered if it had been another make of car."

BMW are nowhere near as reliable as people think, has anyone on here still in the trade heard about the new (last 4 years ish)BMW auto gearbox problem, that once again BMW are denying that they have a problem with.

We have an auto specialist down the road who I visited not long ago for a price for another car and it was full of BMW autos all with the same problem.

Oh and for those people who still compare Omega and BMW please remember the massive price difference in buying and running each car. And if you think Vauxhall dealers can be expensive, I once had to collect a new distributor cap for a 6 cylinder BMW, price £86.00, price in halfords about £10.00. Idiot owner insisted on BMW only parts and this was back in about 1998.

Sorry guys winge over.

All the best

Mike
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: sounds2k on 24 October 2007, 20:39:40
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If you want the extra power and "zip" have you thought about a Saab Aero (9000 or 9-5 in 2.3 form)?
A LOT faster than the Omega with superb high speed cruising ability
Oh and a heck of a lot cheaper than a BMW and the rest of the road users won't despise you. ;)
well ... my 9000 Aero is a 2.3 FPT auto (200 BHP) and even before the rebuild with head skim it left the 3.2 omega for dead from 60 or so ... only thing is they're FWD and the turning circle is poor compared to the omega. But the seats are superb ... and it's more economical than the omega, especially on a run !!!

So much so that I'm having a previous bodge job on the radiator fan corrected and then shortly afterwards the omega will be up for sale ...

You can pick up 9000 Aero's for about £1500, I got lucky and bought mine for under £700 from fleabay ... the manual models have a different turbo (higher output as well) so are quicker than the auto models again - the 2.3 is detuned in an auto as the gearbox can't handle the torque!!
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 24 October 2007, 20:52:51
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Tunnie... BMW??  ::)

If you want the extra power and "zip" have you thought about a Saab Aero (9000 or 9-5 in 2.3 form)?
A LOT faster than the Omega with superb high speed cruising ability
Oh and a heck of a lot cheaper than a BMW and the rest of the road users won't despise you. ;)

Saab 9-5 Aero is all well and good on a cruise and in a straight line, but they don't do corners very well, and as mentioned elsewhere they drive the wrong end. 230 BHP through the front wheels is not what I call entertaining. Cracking car otherwise, but that's a killer failing for me.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 24 October 2007, 20:57:23
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BMW are nowhere near as reliable as people think, has anyone on here still in the trade heard about the new (last 4 years ish)BMW auto gearbox problem, that once again BMW are denying that they have a problem with.

There's a very easy solution to this one: don't buy an auto. BMW's autos are just as much a pile of junk as the next manufacturers, they're almost guaranteed to fail once the miles start racking up. If you're lazy and have a warranty then feel free, but don't expect it to be reliable on any make -- you only need to spend 5 minutes browsing this forum to see the number of Omega auto gearboxes that fall to bits, BMW are no different. Funnily enough the 6-speed manual in my 840 remains totally reliable when you add two turbos to a V12 and put 600 BHP through it.... go figure ;)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 24 October 2007, 20:59:49
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Moral: is the german car any better, I don't think so.

The German car better than what, the Omega (which happens to be German)? That's where they're all built by Opel, the Vauxhall ones are simply RHD models re-badged.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: TheBoy on 24 October 2007, 21:28:36
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Moral: is the german car any better, I don't think so.

The German car better than what, the Omega (which happens to be German)? That's where they're all built by Opel, the Vauxhall ones are simply RHD models re-badged.
I think the comment was that the 'German Marques' - BMW, Audi/VW, Merc are no better than anything else.  I would go one step further and say that these marques have rested on their laurels and fallen behind. Merc were the first to do this, but it seems the first to notice and try to drag themselves back on track.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: justme on 24 October 2007, 21:34:08
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Moral: is the german car any better, I don't think so.

The German car better than what, the Omega (which happens to be German)? That's where they're all built by Opel, the Vauxhall ones are simply RHD models re-badged.



They aint designed there though. Or they collared some of the best. I certainly would not associate the meega with German engineering far far from it.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: sounds2k on 24 October 2007, 22:46:35
the trouble is - as has been discussed here and probably many, many other places and times, is that nowadays cars are built (down) to a price - prpobably even more so now. As a result corners are cut - and reliability and build quality inevitably suffer ...
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: V6_MAT on 24 October 2007, 22:55:43
Funnily enough I have been recently 'window shopping' on auto-trader when bored at lunch-times.

The general theme is generally how much speed can I get for under £10k, coupled with a desire for a reasonably large car (ie no hot hatches etc) so its pretty good on the motorways.  Oh, and RWD.  Not too fussed about MPG, as long as 25mpg on a cruise is a possibility and some degree of reliability would be nice!

The E34 M5 keeps popping up, the old straight 6 with 340bhp has some appeal
E39 M5's are j-u-s-t about gettable, an awesome drivers car - but reliable? & running costs???
Plenty of V8 engined mercs (inc CLKs, E55s, and even S's!)

but what I really want is a Monaro.
God I like those. Just imagine the engine :-)  That would wake up the neighbours with a nice exhaust!
Just not quite there yet price-wise as they are all nearer 15k.

Not looking to do anything in a hurry so maybe they'll come down in  a bit.

The 2.5 elite is running great, but just fancy a v8 under the hood....
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markjay on 24 October 2007, 23:12:01
My worry about M5s is the same as I had in the eighties about Capri 2.8s, Golf or 205 GTI, etc - you will be hard pressed to find a second-hand that has not been abused... no such problems with Omegas, you still get the ocassional low-mileage one-middle-aged-owner FSH ones cropping up...

The M5 has another problems from my point of view, servicing is even more expensive than your standard extortionate BMW prices, especially such things as discs and pads etc.


Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: mantahatch on 25 October 2007, 13:48:25
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BMW are nowhere near as reliable as people think, has anyone on here still in the trade heard about the new (last 4 years ish)BMW auto gearbox problem, that once again BMW are denying that they have a problem with.

There's a very easy solution to this one: don't buy an auto. BMW's autos are just as much a pile of junk as the next manufacturers, they're almost guaranteed to fail once the miles start racking up. If you're lazy and have a warranty then feel free, but don't expect it to be reliable on any make -- you only need to spend 5 minutes browsing this forum to see the number of Omega auto gearboxes that fall to bits, BMW are no different. Funnily enough the 6-speed manual in my 840 remains totally reliable when you add two turbos to a V12 and put 600 BHP through it.... go figure ;)

Hello
I seem to have upset someone and I apologise for that, no offence was meant. If I may continue, I am not talking about high mileage examples. these BMWs in the local shop are leased cars with no warranties from BMW and are very new. And yes of course any auto box can fail, but I do not recall many Omega boxes failing within 12 months.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 25 October 2007, 14:12:23
Saab 9000 is a thought really not sure what i want to do, i want something with more grunt and to be an auto, but i am not after a V6 Omega, i know a 3.0 V6 is fast as the Senator, most likey faster..... but!

It does not feel fast!

I have driven JamesV6's 2.5 CDX Manual.... and well again it felt no quicker than my 2.2. Made a different noise, but did not seam to go much faster.

It would be different if the car was fully loaded, but with just me in the car..... i felt no sizeable difference.

I'd like a supercharged XJ but they are a little to steep for me at the moment.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: sounds2k on 25 October 2007, 14:59:02
... shame you aren't a bit closer or I'd take you out in the Saab ...  ;)

the trouble is you get used to a certain level of acceleration so a fast car only feels fast for a while ... then you get used to it and want more!!!  :)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 25 October 2007, 15:10:36
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... shame you aren't a bit closer or I'd take you out in the Saab ...  ;)

the trouble is you get used to a certain level of acceleration so a fast car only feels fast for a while ... then you get used to it and want more!!!  :)

I am not far actually  ;)

I can take South Eastern Trains and be in Dartford in 30 mins, i think some of them go towards your way....  :D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 October 2007, 15:41:05
I would have this :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1992-BMW-750iL-AUTO-BLACK-7-SERIES-STUNNING_W0QQitemZ270177804895QQihZ017QQcategoryZ9837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 25 October 2007, 15:59:58
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I would have this :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1992-BMW-750iL-AUTO-BLACK-7-SERIES-STUNNING_W0QQitemZ270177804895QQihZ017QQcategoryZ9837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That is nice!!!

Is it really classed as a classic?? - My 1992 Senator was not....
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 October 2007, 16:02:50
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I would have this :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1992-BMW-750iL-AUTO-BLACK-7-SERIES-STUNNING_W0QQitemZ270177804895QQihZ017QQcategoryZ9837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That is nice!!!

Is it really classed as a classic?? - My 1992 Senator was not....
I thought a car had to be over 25yrs old before it got classic status but its still a top car for little money :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Nickbat on 25 October 2007, 16:10:56
Look Tunnie, if you want FAST, you can still stay with GM:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-LOTUS-CARLTON-OPEL-OMEGA-65-000-WITH-HISTORY_W0QQitemZ320173536305QQihZ011QQcategoryZ43114QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 25 October 2007, 16:17:56
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Look Tunnie, if you want FAST, you can still stay with GM:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-LOTUS-CARLTON-OPEL-OMEGA-65-000-WITH-HISTORY_W0QQitemZ320173536305QQihZ011QQcategoryZ43114QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That will go for 15k easy .....
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Martin_1962 on 25 October 2007, 16:35:55
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I would have this :y

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1992-BMW-750iL-AUTO-BLACK-7-SERIES-STUNNING_W0QQitemZ270177804895QQihZ017QQcategoryZ9837QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I wonder why he has to sell?
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 25 October 2007, 17:57:01
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BMW are nowhere near as reliable as people think, has anyone on here still in the trade heard about the new (last 4 years ish)BMW auto gearbox problem, that once again BMW are denying that they have a problem with.

There's a very easy solution to this one: don't buy an auto. BMW's autos are just as much a pile of junk as the next manufacturers, they're almost guaranteed to fail once the miles start racking up. If you're lazy and have a warranty then feel free, but don't expect it to be reliable on any make -- you only need to spend 5 minutes browsing this forum to see the number of Omega auto gearboxes that fall to bits, BMW are no different. Funnily enough the 6-speed manual in my 840 remains totally reliable when you add two turbos to a V12 and put 600 BHP through it.... go figure ;)

Hello
I seem to have upset someone and I apologise for that, no offence was meant. If I may continue, I am not talking about high mileage examples. these BMWs in the local shop are leased cars with no warranties from BMW and are very new. And yes of course any auto box can fail, but I do not recall many Omega boxes failing within 12 months.

You haven't upset me :D I'm just stating the reality.... autos and reliability don't belong in the same sentence, and BMW are no exception. Incidentally the Omega automatic is the same one used in some BMWs, what does that tell you? I have owned two BMWs that have served me well, both 6-speed manual V8s (a 540i and 840Ci), there's no way I'd buy an automatic version of either, not only because it kills the driving enjoyment but also because (based on what I read on the forums) you're doubling or trebling your chances of having a major failure. Yes they can suffer things like water pumps leaking especially on high mileage models, but I've had both the water pumps replaced on my 840Ci and they're not expensive if you buy OEM part from Euro Car Parts or similar (about £40 for the main water pump IIRC). The gearbox almost certainly will not fail, and the engines seldom give serious problems either. The V12 is a bit more problematic, but that's because it was too sophisticated for its time (3 ECUs, 2 airflow sensors, 2 electronic throttles etc). The V8 is a newer design and with the exception of the early Nikasil models (a problem that also affected Jaguars, but none of which are in the E39) they are pretty reliable.

Just my humble opinion.... I have no particular affiliation for BMW, I bought one because it's a good car to drive and for its uncommon looks and it hasn't let me down. I bought the Omega because it's cheap to buy and cheap to run, and is RWD. I have no doubt that the new Bangle era BMWs are built down to a price, and are unlikely to be anywhere near as solid as older models are. The E39 is good though, the E60 (new 5-series) I'm not so keen on.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 25 October 2007, 18:04:40
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... shame you aren't a bit closer or I'd take you out in the Saab ...  ;)

the trouble is you get used to a certain level of acceleration so a fast car only feels fast for a while ... then you get used to it and want more!!!  :)

This I totally agree with. When I was 22 I bought a 99 Impreza WRX STi which was remapped to put out slightly over 300 BHP on 97 RON fuel, it weighed around 1250 Kg and being AWD with 3 limited slip diffs you could actually use the power even in the rain. It was quite amazing the acceleration you could get from that thing in all but the harshest conditions. But inevitably the novelty wore off, and I realised you could barely use the power on the road anyway, and I sold it and ended up with the 840Ci which is definitely not as quick off the line (more power but heavier and RWD) but is much more refined and exclusive, while still being fun. It's not fast by any means, but quick enough. Besides I have my R1 now for when I need the acceleration offered by a power-weight ratio of 1000 BHP/tonne ;)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markie on 25 October 2007, 18:10:16
Im still with Tunnie on this, i want a change to, i want something that now feels fast.....

Considorations...330 ci, Audi S4, Audi S6, C43 AMG and even an M3 (circa 00plate)

Been out twice in 02 330ci (02) plate but decided against as i am not convinced of its history....

Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 25 October 2007, 18:57:11
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Im still with Tunnie on this, i want a change to, i want something that now feels fast.....

Considorations...330 ci, Audi S4, Audi S6, C43 AMG and even an M3 (circa 00plate)

Been out twice in 02 330ci (02) plate but decided against as i am not convinced of its history....


if you sell your omega will you put your old wheels on and sell me your facelift MV6 ones?? :D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markie on 25 October 2007, 19:00:19
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Im still with Tunnie on this, i want a change to, i want something that now feels fast.....

Considorations...330 ci, Audi S4, Audi S6, C43 AMG and even an M3 (circa 00plate)

Been out twice in 02 330ci (02) plate but decided against as i am not convinced of its history....


if you sell your omega will you put your old wheels on and sell me your facelift MV6 ones?? :D


Dont have the old ones im afraid......otherwise yes i would have..
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 25 October 2007, 19:20:24
i'll px my facelift GLS ones then :D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Markie on 25 October 2007, 19:37:37
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i'll px my facelift GLS ones then :D


 ;D ;D then im going to get accused of a police spec MV6 upon selling, by non educated buyers, as it doesnt have the 17" on it  ;D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 25 October 2007, 19:38:50
straight swap for my facelift elites?? :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: sounds2k on 25 October 2007, 20:42:11
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... shame you aren't a bit closer or I'd take you out in the Saab ...  ;)

the trouble is you get used to a certain level of acceleration so a fast car only feels fast for a while ... then you get used to it and want more!!!  :)

I am not far actually  ;)

I can take South Eastern Trains and be in Dartford in 30 mins, i think some of them go towards your way....  :D
yep, they do indeed ... and I just got it back from the garage today after having the previous owner's bodge job on the radiator fan undone ... so the offer's there, you're welcome to have a go ... just let me know  ;)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 25 October 2007, 21:31:36
one problem with fast cars is that, around is too many curious maniacs who want to race with you every moment..

even if their engine is less than half size they force you  >:(

what happens is  one you dont care,  second you dont care 3rd you get in flames and start..  :-[

and fuel bills fly up..

I cant think myself in an M3 or  V8 any..sure I die.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 25 October 2007, 22:16:42
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/index.htm?md=36&
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: geoff on 26 October 2007, 08:42:37
bmw yes are reliable,but i recall a while a go some 5 series engines being rcalled for engine problems,block cast problems,i think mercedes and bmw just trade on their badge image and are fare to  expensive for what they are,have problems like alll cars do and be sides omega's are good value for money or as they say a lot of car for money 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 26 October 2007, 11:46:34
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bmw yes are reliable,but i recall a while a go some 5 series engines being rcalled for engine problems,block cast problems,i think mercedes and bmw just trade on their badge image and are fare to  expensive for what they are,have problems like alll cars do and be sides omega's are good value for money or as they say a lot of car for money 8-) 8-) 8-) :y :y :y

That was a long time ago on the V8, any models newer than 1995 I think won't be affected (none of the E39 V8s are). It was due to high sulphur petrol damaging the nikasil lining used in the bores, it probably wouldn't be an issue today since all petrol is "ultra low sulphur" but the engines have long since been fitted with alusil liners which don't have that issue. BTW a lot of Jaguar engines were affected by the nikasil issue too, as recently as 2000 I believe.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 26 October 2007, 12:10:55
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BTW a lot of Jaguar engines were affected by the nikasil issue too, as recently as 2000 I believe.

Just the V8 AFAIK
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 26 October 2007, 13:22:35
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BTW a lot of Jaguar engines were affected by the nikasil issue too, as recently as 2000 I believe.

Just the V8 AFAIK

which is all engines after 1994 then, lol
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: omegalord on 26 October 2007, 13:47:49
Why not have a bigger engine put in an omega. That way it will be very dast , very original , you will know the history of the car and will be sticking with gm

Matt
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 26 October 2007, 14:01:53
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which is all engines after 1994 then, lol

....Not all Jags have the 4.2 V8

Try:-

2.0 and 2.2 Four Pot Diesel, 2.7 V6 Diesel
2.0 V6, 2.5 V6 and 3.0 V6 Petrol
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 26 October 2007, 14:19:58
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which is all engines after 1994 then, lol

....Not all Jags have the 4.2 V8

but the 3.2's are also V8's

All engines from 1994/5 ish when the new shape came out are V8's (3.2/4.0/4.2)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 26 October 2007, 14:26:47
I'm lost now! Are we only talking about V8's?

If so... sorry for the confusion!!!!   :-X :-X :-X ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 26 October 2007, 15:38:51
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Why not have a bigger engine put in an omega. That way it will be very dast , very original , you will know the history of the car and will be sticking with gm

Matt

Good idea but by the time you buy the engine (and probably a new gearbox, doubt the R28 will be happy with a big torquey V8) and pay for all the work to be done (unless you can do it yourself, I certainly can't) it's going to be way more expensive than just buying a good 540i/6. You won't get back anywhere near what you spent come resale, and there is still the rust issues that plagues even recent Omegas that is almost unheard of on 5-series unless they've been damaged. You'd also be wanting to uprate the brakes and suspension to cope with the extra power.

I'd rather just buy a car off the shelf that does what I want of it, rather than all the faffing around with major aftermarket modifications.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 26 October 2007, 15:40:40
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which is all engines after 1994 then, lol

....Not all Jags have the 4.2 V8

Try:-

2.0 and 2.2 Four Pot Diesel, 2.7 V6 Diesel
2.0 V6, 2.5 V6 and 3.0 V6 Petrol


Those are Ford engines, which I believe only came out after 2000. I did say they had the nikasil issue up until around 2000.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 26 October 2007, 15:47:49
I'll get me coat  ;D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: philayl on 26 October 2007, 16:11:12
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which is all engines after 1994 then, lol

....Not all Jags have the 4.2 V8

but the 3.2's are also V8's

All engines from 1994/5 ish when the new shape came out are V8's (3.2/4.0/4.2)

I owned a 1996 3.2 XJ6 which was a straight six, I think it was 1998 when the V8 was brought in, but could be late 1997.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: TheBoy on 26 October 2007, 19:08:35
Tunnie, last time I drove JV6CDX 2.5, it was gutless.  Yet still significantly quicker than your 2.2 ;)

I would have to say that the 2.2 is possibly 2nd the slowest car (tractor being slowest) I've driven in recent times, and I'll include her Rover in that.  

Thinking about it, I reckon even the tractor will give you a run for your money....


If you don't want a V6 Omega, but want a powerful RWD car, then you're looking at spending a big wedge, else you'll be constantly fighting to keep 250k beemer on the road...


If you don't mind FWD, then options open, but fun decreases normally.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Elite Pete on 26 October 2007, 19:12:22
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I could be tempted away from the Omega with an estate on of these :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 26 October 2007, 20:00:53
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I could be tempted away from the Omega with an estate on of these :y

its freakishly funny you should say that, i was looking at these today after an estate passed me near my local train station yesterday, black with tints!
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: tunnie on 26 October 2007, 20:11:28
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I could be tempted away from the Omega with an estate on of these :y

its freakishly funny you should say that, i was looking at these today after an estate passed me near my local train station yesterday, black with tints!

That looks VERY nice!!! 280 bhp from a 2.5 too!  :o
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Elite Pete on 26 October 2007, 20:13:22
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tunnies signature  8-)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: VXL V6 on 26 October 2007, 20:14:25
ROFLOL at Tunnies signature!
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Paul M on 26 October 2007, 20:21:34
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I could be tempted away from the Omega with an estate on of these :y

Bah... automatic junk. That'll be why the price is so low, manuals fetch much more. I looked at Galants a while ago as a potential replacement for the Omega but never took the plunge. Parts are *very* expensive, and the indicator/wiper stalks are the wrong way around  >:( a small issue maybe, but being that I drive two cars I'd be forever flicking the wrong stalk.

BTW I don't think there were any official UK VR4 wagons, that would be the Legnum which is basically the same model, but Japanese grey import.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: CaptainZok on 26 October 2007, 20:22:30
LMFAO
Cool sig Tunnie.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 26 October 2007, 20:22:36
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tunnies signature  8-)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!  :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: TheBoy on 26 October 2007, 20:32:21
PMSL at Tunnie's sig :y
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 26 October 2007, 20:38:53
i wonder who...? ;D
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Auto Addict on 27 October 2007, 08:25:39
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i wonder who...? ;D

 ::)
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: amigov6 on 27 October 2007, 18:33:13
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I could be tempted away from the Omega with an estate on of these :y
:)I know what you mean Pete, the "shark nose" front end is to die for. Never driven one though.
Title: Re: BMW 5 Series
Post by: Danny on 30 October 2007, 18:24:10
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Look Tunnie, if you want FAST, you can still stay with GM:

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That will go for 15k easy .....

only £8,800, IMO he shouldnt have put it on ebay, should have used trader