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Title: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: kris9128 on 29 August 2008, 15:57:50
have an intermitent proplem that i cant seem to trace. problem started shortly after changing alternator. driving along, speedo dies and abs/tc lights come on. can stay like that for 30 seconds or 1.5 hours. then speedo starts working and abs/tc lights go out. cant work out why this has only started the same day i  changed the alternator. dont know if it helps but i changed all discs and pads about 3 weeks ago. any help greatly appreciated. many thanks
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: sophos9 on 29 August 2008, 16:47:54
Can you measure the voltage across the battery with ignition off.

Now, measure the voltage across the battery with the car running, possible over-voltage (alternator rectifier)...
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Entwood on 29 August 2008, 17:05:40
Had this on the old miggy ... abs ecu is in the process of failing  :(

There is a "how to" on how to change it ...

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1152729807

VX wanted £700+ for a new ECU  :( .. I got mine repaired by bba reman for £130 including courier fees on a 5 day turn around ...  I was VERY impressed with their service.

Advantage of having yours repaired is it does not then need the tech2 treatment   :y :y

http://www.bba-reman.com

Give them a ring on 01634 687222 and have a chat .. could save you loads of dosh !!  :)
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Varche on 29 August 2008, 17:07:16
This could be indicative of the ABS ECU going. If you have cruise control does that also stop working.? I hope it isn't as it is quite a fiddly job to do. Do a search on the forum on how to change them/get them refurbished etc.

In the meantime well worthwhile trying all the other suggestions people will make.

varche
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Derek_in_Penzance on 29 August 2008, 18:38:50
Agree with above, having had same symptoms on my  car, I'd say there's a high probability that the ABS ECU is failing. Not good I'm afraid, as apart from the cost of repair, the pump/ECU assembly is difficult to get to. Six small screws will drive you nuts!
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Dazzler on 29 August 2008, 18:49:14
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Agree with above, having had same symptoms on my  car, I'd say there's a high probability that the ABS ECU is failing. Not good I'm afraid, as apart from the cost of repair, the pump/ECU assembly is difficult to get to. Six small screws will drive you nuts!
But is more then doable with a bit of patience :y
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: kris9128 on 29 August 2008, 19:54:09
cars only done 51k miles. surely the abs ecu sshouldnt be on its way out.
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: dbug on 29 August 2008, 20:38:34
Definately abs ecu packing up.  Contols abs, tc, speedo, cruise and speed sensitive power steering.

Options - recon bba as Entwood above OR
get used off breaker for exactly same year and model spec as yours.

I went down used route with Estate and all worked ok 1st time without need for Tech2!

It is an rsol of a job to do - need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!

Good luck
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: sophos9 on 29 August 2008, 21:06:06
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cars only done 51k miles. surely the abs ecu sshouldnt be on its way out.

Have you checked voltages?
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: TheBoy on 29 August 2008, 21:47:11
Yeah, abs ecu. Can be refurbed for 125 quid, but bit of a bitch to remove/refit
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Varche on 29 August 2008, 22:01:48
"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Jay w on 29 August 2008, 22:33:16
it seems to be common with 99-01 cars, we have seen a lot of them....

Mine was exactly the same, ABS ECU was the cure.....
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Dazzler on 29 August 2008, 22:38:49
and mine ::)
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: MarkG on 30 August 2008, 07:49:57
My facelift car is the same year and engine as yours. The same thing happened to mine about 3 years ago. I checked the ABS ECU part number with vauxhall and then found one from a breakers. Think I paid £40. Mine actually came from a 1999 pre-facelift. Had it fitted by a local garage for two hours labour and it has been just fine ever since.
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: dbug on 30 August 2008, 15:56:53
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"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche

You got all 6 back in?  I take my hat off to you.  ::)  After getting 5 back in and getting p*ssed of with the sixth (bottom right looking from front) i thought b*llox can't see that the last one is absolutely necessary!  No probs to date :y
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Varche on 30 August 2008, 18:22:24
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"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche

You got all 6 back in?  I take my hat off to you.  ::)  After getting 5 back in and getting p*ssed of with the sixth (bottom right looking from front) i thought b*llox can't see that the last one is absolutely necessary!  No probs to date :y

Ah yes but I didn't say how many days, pints of beer or swearing it took!! The secret (if that is what it can be called) is to have a range of different length extn bars and fitments and loosely fasten it on with a bit of sticky tape.

varche
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: kris9128 on 31 August 2008, 19:27:58
thanks for all advice, now thoroughly scared at prospect of changing faulty unit. sounds like a big job. might leave it for a while until we get some better weather and i got plenty of spare time. might as well do cam cover gaskets at same time.
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: dbug on 31 August 2008, 22:57:29
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"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche

You got all 6 back in?  I take my hat off to you.  ::)  After getting 5 back in and getting p*ssed of with the sixth (bottom right looking from front) i thought b*llox can't see that the last one is absolutely necessary!  No probs to date :y

Ah yes but I didn't say how many days, pints of beer or swearing it took!! The secret (if that is what it can be called) is to have a range of different length extn bars and fitments and loosely fasten it on with a bit of sticky tape.

varche

Used magnetic torx bars + mini ratchet - completed mine start to finish in a few hours.  Wasn't prepared to spend longer on last (unneccessary) bolt - anyway had back-ache as well!! ;)
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: RobWheatley on 01 September 2008, 13:36:43
not trying to hijack the thread but on the subject of TC faults, my 98 Omega will light the TC warning if i am a bit to eager with my right foot in the wet, sometimes it will just flash (think its supposed to) other times it will stay on till i restart.
ABS, speedo and cruise work just fine even when the light is on, any idea's ????
Rob
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Elite Pete on 01 September 2008, 14:24:45
I would give the rear pick ups a clean next to the diff, its easy to do and cheap ;)
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: Derek_in_Penzance on 01 September 2008, 15:13:19
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"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche

You got all 6 back in?  I take my hat off to you.  ::)  After getting 5 back in and getting p*ssed of with the sixth (bottom right looking from front) i thought b*llox can't see that the last one is absolutely necessary!  No probs to date :y

I got all six in too, and it was easier than taking them out, although still a pig of a job. Having the right tools is half the answer, and that takes a lot of thinking about. I hope I never have to do it again.
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: dbug on 01 September 2008, 15:46:42
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"need lots of patience to get all 6 screws out and usually 4/5 (5 in my case) back in!"

Lightweight! ;D ;D ;D

varche

You got all 6 back in?  I take my hat off to you.  ::)  After getting 5 back in and getting p*ssed of with the sixth (bottom right looking from front) i thought b*llox can't see that the last one is absolutely necessary!  No probs to date :y

I got all six in too, and it was easier than taking them out, although still a pig of a job. Having the right tools is half the answer, and that takes a lot of thinking about. I hope I never have to do it again.
I take my hat off to you too.  ::)   I am a lightweight :(
Title: Re: abs, tc, speedo problem
Post by: RobWheatley on 01 September 2008, 16:05:58
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I would give the rear pick ups a clean next to the diff, its easy to do and cheap ;)

Will try over the weekend, thanks.
Rob