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Title: Strange goings on!
Post by: Recovery_Russ on 09 September 2008, 20:09:40
Ok guys, could do with a bit of help here, :y 1st off after reading the forums i pulled the (as you look at the car) Rear left plug lead off to check for oil in the well, which gladly there was none! :) but put the lead back on and it clicked on nicely but upon starting the car it had a mis fire, which it didn't before, so i'm assuming i've done somthing the lead i removed but there's nothing visibly wrong >:( With the car running i can remove this lead and it makes no change to the way it runs, as you would expect it too if it were working correctly.

I've bought a set of leads today but it looks a mighty task to change the 6 leads only to re start with the same problem :'(

Any ideas?

Also i've tried this pedal test to see if any other cylinders are missing but i cant seem to get it to do anything? :-/

Car is a manual 98(s) 2.5 v6 cdx

Cheers guys
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: VXL V6 on 09 September 2008, 20:13:57
You can't do the pedal test on that engine, you have to do the paper clip test.

Unlikely but are you sure the plug lead hasn't detached itself from the Dispack end?

Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: feeutfo on 09 September 2008, 20:15:30
pedal test wont work on yours, you need paper cip test.http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687/0
maybe youve pulled the lead off the dis pack? ;)
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Recovery_Russ on 09 September 2008, 20:21:08
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pedal test wont work on yours, you need paper cip test.http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687/0
maybe youve pulled the lead off the dis pack? ;)


That explains the pedal trick then ;D

Its unlikely i pulled the dis pack end off as i didn't pull the lead that hard, but yeah i'll check that, gonna change the leads anyway i think. What a tart of a job that looks to do, i've read the guides and there isn't anything that covers ht lead removal, any tips for getting to the r/h/ side bank? that looks mega grie :'(f

Thanks guys!

P.s Any one in my neck of the woods want to earn some beer tokens?? :y
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: feeutfo on 09 September 2008, 20:25:46

have a look here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1220984501
yes ats a pig :(
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Entwood on 09 September 2008, 23:51:23
When you pulled the lead :(  did you pull the lead itself or the end by the plug itself ??  It's possible you have pulled the lead partially out of the socket and it is not now making contact with the end of the plug ...

The leads are not strong enough to be used as ropes !!!

:)

HTH
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Pete Elite on 10 September 2008, 00:19:38
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When you pulled the lead :(  did you pull the lead itself or the end by the plug itself ??  It's possible you have pulled the lead partially out of the socket and it is not now making contact with the end of the plug ...

The leads are not strong enough to be used as ropes !!!

:)

HTH

  Hi,
     When i bought my Miggy i also had a missfire and when i changed the leads i found out that #3 lead was as Entwood said and had been pulled on and had come away from the part that actually goes on the plug!
 As for fitting new leads, lots of swearing and moaning should get you there in the end, remove the scuttle for better access and make sure you make a note of where the leads came off the Diss. pack and that they go back in the same place!!!

        Hope this helps,
                              Pete :y.
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Recovery_Russ on 10 September 2008, 19:14:00
ok, managed to change the plugs and leads today (what a idiot of a job >:( ) started car and guess what? still missing on cyl 5 so can only be the dis pack at fault now, so some more swearing and skinned knuckles later, oh and a new tool manufactured my dis pack was removed >:(. now the plastic at one end has come apart and the internal metal plates are rusted so i'm assuming its scrap. :'(

Main stealers wanted about £150 plus vat for a new one :'( this is where you guys become important,

Shall i buy one from them or are the aftermarket ones just as good? if so does anyone know a good place to get one :question
Cheers guys
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Pete Elite on 10 September 2008, 20:15:02
   Hi Russ,
              Glad you got your leads on ok but sorry that wasn't the problem :'(.
 
   As for a Diss. pack i wouldn't pay £150 for one, look on eBay but make sure you get the right one as there are 3 types :-/.
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: sev on 10 September 2008, 20:15:30
russ, they are a lot cheaper than that, especially from some of the helpfull breaker types on here  :y

All you need is the number stamped on the body of the DIS unit - unfortunately VX probably used 3 different number variants and you need  to know which number is yours.

Perhaps ringing the VX dealer and ask him to part with the number then start shopping around!
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Recovery_Russ on 10 September 2008, 20:36:13
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russ, they are a lot cheaper than that, especially from some of the helpfull breaker types on here  :y

All you need is the number stamped on the body of the DIS unit - unfortunately VX probably used 3 different number variants and you need  to know which number is yours.

Perhaps ringing the VX dealer and ask him to part with the number then start shopping around!

I have the dis pack here! and its part no. Strangely main stealers are cheaper than my 2 local motor factors! :-? :o Autovaux are petty competetive at £75 delivered. Are after market units usually ok or are they a stay away thing? :question
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2008, 20:46:41
I would buy a known good one from a member who is breaking a car.
sorry dont know anything about aftermarket ones.
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Pete Elite on 10 September 2008, 21:04:12
  It's up to you really Russ, all depends if you've got the funds to spare.

   At least with a new one you get a guarantee not to say that if you bought a second hand one off the forum you wouldn't get a replacement if faulty but does save the messing about :-/.
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: prr on 11 September 2008, 23:33:11
try vsc on e-bay i got mine next day delivered for £36.50 including postage but mines for a 2l 4 pot but there are as others have said diferent types but ive had a few spares from these and hand no problems hope this helps :y
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: prr on 11 September 2008, 23:35:05
sorry vcs = vauxhall spares centre www.vauxcentre.co.uk :y
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: Recovery_Russ on 12 September 2008, 20:15:49
Thanks for all your replies and suggestion on this, was all resolved today when i fitted a new dis pack today, £75 inc delivery from a vauxhall specialist (what a Lady bits of a job! >:() all running fine now :y

I'll stick a few pictures up in the gallery section later of my entry to omega world :)
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: JasonH on 13 September 2008, 07:17:15
Bit late now but don't get a secondhand one - there's no good way to test them and they do fail with age.

A lot of the Ebay sellers sell the Bosch part (which is what Vauxhall use) for around £75. Just make sure you get the right one.
Title: Re: Strange goings on!
Post by: feeutfo on 13 September 2008, 09:34:09
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Thanks for all your replies and suggestion on this, was all resolved today when i fitted a new dis pack today, £75 inc delivery from a vauxhall specialist (what a thingy of a job! >:() all running fine now :y

I'll stick a few pictures up in the gallery section later of my entry to omega world :)
Glad its sorted Russ. :)