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Title: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 09:55:45
........List of fault codes following my limping home yesterday :(..........

10-3-10-10
10-3-10-1
10-3-10-3
10-3-10-5
10-1-7-10
10-1-7-3
10-3-10-2
10-3-10-6

Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Entwood on 08 September 2008, 10:04:07
Thats not good :(  ... 2.6 is OBDII I think .. so using this site

http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/

I make your list

0300 - Random Multiple misfires
0301 - Cylinder 1 misfire
0303 - Cylinder 3 misfire
0305 - Cylinder 5 misfire
0170 - Fuel trim Malfunction Bank 1
0173 - Fuel trim Malfunction Bank 2
0302 - Cylinder 2 misfire
0306 - Cylinder 6 misfire

I'm guessing wet electrics perhaps ?? :(
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 10:07:04
So need to check the DIS packs?
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Entwood on 08 September 2008, 10:08:37
Further research has found this .. which may or may not be relevant ... with the fuel trim codes as well ..


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Random misfires that jump around from one cylinder to another (read: P030x codes) also will set a P0300 code. The underlying cause is often a lean fuel condition, which may be due to a vacuum leak in the intake manifold or unmetered air getting past the airflow sensor, or an EGR valve that is stuck open.

but I don't know anywhere near enough to advise ... :(
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 September 2008, 10:21:56
I would be suspecting an airleak as its unlikely that both DIS packs would fail simultaneously.

Its also worth popping a coil pack out to check for oil in the wells (there shoudn't be any!).
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 10:23:06
Well I know that the passenger side DIS pack is/was on its way out, which was diagnosed at Keswick by Marks DTM, waer had also at some point got into one of the plug wells.
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 September 2008, 10:42:26
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Well I know that the passenger side DIS pack is/was on its way out, which was diagnosed at Keswick by Marks DTM, waer had also at some point got into one of the plug wells.


Water ingress is a possible, coil pack was past its best but, cant see both failing at once!

Check the large plastic brake servo pipe for damage (runs round the rear of the engine)
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 08 September 2008, 11:11:31
Mark been on the phone to Mike, on his car are the vac pipes that go to the brake servo pipe the same as mine? on mine there are three vac pipes that come from the servo pipe from two nipples with 90 degree bent connector pipes on that brake servo pipe... he has two, mike also says there is a vac pipe that runs under his plenum to the throttle body but i don't have one of those..... he says that this vac pipe is not connected could this be the problem?
Why would a vac pipe put up those codes?
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 11:37:00
Have reconnected the vac pipe that runs under plenum and connects to throttle body, very short though :-/
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: TheBoy on 08 September 2008, 11:43:00
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Mark been on the phone to Mike, on his car are the vac pipes that go to the brake servo pipe the same as mine? on mine there are three vac pipes that come from the servo pipe from two nipples with 90 degree bent connector pipes on that brake servo pipe... he has two, mike also says there is a vac pipe that runs under his plenum to the throttle body but i don't have one of those..... he says that this vac pipe is not connected could this be the problem?
Why would a vac pipe put up those codes?
BTW will have 1 less vac pipe, as not SAI fitted :)
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 11:44:01
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Well I know that the passenger side DIS pack is/was on its way out, which was diagnosed at Keswick by Marks DTM, waer had also at some point got into one of the plug wells.


Water ingress is a possible, coil pack was past its best but, cant see both failing at once!

Check the large plastic brake servo pipe for damage (runs round the rear of the engine)

Brake servo pipe looks fine, few marks on it but would assume thats normal.
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: CaptainZok on 08 September 2008, 13:34:40
Vac line not connected is going to allow unmetered air into the plenum. Can you get the codes cleared and try it with the vac pipe reconnected Mike? Anyone local with an OBDII lead that can read/clear for you?
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 14:35:44
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Vac line not connected is going to allow unmetered air into the plenum. Can you get the codes cleared and try it with the vac pipe reconnected Mike? Anyone local with an OBDII lead that can read/clear for you?

Yeah local Vx :-X
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: CaptainZok on 08 September 2008, 14:53:23
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Vac line not connected is going to allow unmetered air into the plenum. Can you get the codes cleared and try it with the vac pipe reconnected Mike? Anyone local with an OBDII lead that can read/clear for you?

Yeah local Vx :-X
Take that as a no then. Might be an idea to invest in one of those ELM code readers like Entwood has. I imagine it would easily pay for itself against a code read at VX rates.
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 15:07:24
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Vac line not connected is going to allow unmetered air into the plenum. Can you get the codes cleared and try it with the vac pipe reconnected Mike? Anyone local with an OBDII lead that can read/clear for you?

Yeah local Vx :-X
Take that as a no then. Might be an idea to invest in one of those ELM code readers like Entwood has. I imagine it would easily pay for itself against a code read at VX rates.

Like one of these?

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/gs500-maxscan-professional-live-can-obd-ii-eobd-code-scanner.html
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: CaptainZok on 08 September 2008, 15:10:24
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Vac line not connected is going to allow unmetered air into the plenum. Can you get the codes cleared and try it with the vac pipe reconnected Mike? Anyone local with an OBDII lead that can read/clear for you?

Yeah local Vx :-X
Take that as a no then. Might be an idea to invest in one of those ELM code readers like Entwood has. I imagine it would easily pay for itself against a code read at VX rates.

Like one of these?

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/gs500-maxscan-professional-live-can-obd-ii-eobd-code-scanner.html
The one Entwood has is a cable that plugs into his laptop send him a PM I'm sure he will be able to advise you. Don't know if the cheapo I have will talk to a 2.6 as I've never tried it.
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Entwood on 08 September 2008, 17:20:34
Thats far posher than the one I have .. and probably better as well !!

This is the cheap version that I have ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-ELM327-USB-Tool-Interface-Scanner-CAN-BUS-V-1-2a_W0QQitemZ370084099788QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370084099788&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

It put out the light for the Emissions problem .. but they were still there with the "pedal trick", had to have the memory cleared by Tech2. Also took about 18 days to arrive if memory serves.

If I were to be buying now I'd go for the GS500 ... in fact I'm tempted anyway ...
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 18:01:08
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Thats far posher than the one I have .. and probably better as well !!

This is the cheap version that I have ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-ELM327-USB-Tool-Interface-Scanner-CAN-BUS-V-1-2a_W0QQitemZ370084099788QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370084099788&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

It put out the light for the Emissions problem .. but they were still there with the "pedal trick", had to have the memory cleared by Tech2. Also took about 18 days to arrive if memory serves.

If I were to be buying now I'd go for the GS500 ... in fact I'm tempted anyway ...

That'll be this one then?.............
http://www.ecufix.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=206
 
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 18:03:40
Anyway Thanks to Marks DTM for his assistance today on and off the Forum, have ordered two new DIS packs £136.50, should be here wednesday, can't post til tomorrow, so keeping car off the road till have the Dis packs will replace them Wednesday night all going well :y
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Elite Pete on 08 September 2008, 18:08:02
You should get yourself an MX5 Mike ;D
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 18:24:25
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You should get yourself an MX5 Mike ;D

You selling yours then ::)
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Elite Pete on 08 September 2008, 18:41:41
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You should get yourself an MX5 Mike ;D

You selling yours then ::)
Er no, well not yet anyway, I want some sunshine first so it could be with me along time ;D
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 18:58:51
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You should get yourself an MX5 Mike ;D

You selling yours then ::)
Er no, well not yet anyway, I want some sunshine first so it could be with me along time ;D

move to spain, you'll be able to get the top down then :y ;D
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Entwood on 08 September 2008, 19:14:26
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Thats far posher than the one I have .. and probably better as well !!

This is the cheap version that I have ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-ELM327-USB-Tool-Interface-Scanner-CAN-BUS-V-1-2a_W0QQitemZ370084099788QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370084099788&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

It put out the light for the Emissions problem .. but they were still there with the "pedal trick", had to have the memory cleared by Tech2. Also took about 18 days to arrive if memory serves.

If I were to be buying now I'd go for the GS500 ... in fact I'm tempted anyway ...

That'll be this one then?.............
http://www.ecufix.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=206
 


Looks the same as this one ..

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/usb-elm-327-diagnostics-interface.html
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 19:43:01
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Thats far posher than the one I have .. and probably better as well !!

This is the cheap version that I have ...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OBD-II-ELM327-USB-Tool-Interface-Scanner-CAN-BUS-V-1-2a_W0QQitemZ370084099788QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370084099788&_trkparms=72%3A1121|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

It put out the light for the Emissions problem .. but they were still there with the "pedal trick", had to have the memory cleared by Tech2. Also took about 18 days to arrive if memory serves.

If I were to be buying now I'd go for the GS500 ... in fact I'm tempted anyway ...

That'll be this one then?.............
http://www.ecufix.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=206
 


Looks the same as this one ..

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/usb-elm-327-diagnostics-interface.html

Just bought one of these.............
http://www.virtualvillage.co.uk/Items/007550-020?&caSKU=007550-020&caTitle=GS500+OBD+II+Code+Reader
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: Entwood on 08 September 2008, 19:45:44
Interesting .. after reading your early link .. I just bought one of these ...

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/gs500-maxscan-professional-live-can-obd-ii-eobd-code-scanner.html

same thing but £30 cheaper ???
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 September 2008, 20:07:18
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Interesting .. after reading your early link .. I just bought one of these ...

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/gs500-maxscan-professional-live-can-obd-ii-eobd-code-scanner.html

same thing but £30 cheaper ???

Yeah I know, did go to buy that but had problems with paypal >:(
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 14 September 2008, 08:08:53
Well I bought 2 new DIS packs, those arrived on Wednesday, not used the car all week, changed over both the DIS packs yesterday, took the car for a spin round a few blocks and have the power back, back to normal now, no walking to work next week :y...........
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: feeutfo on 14 September 2008, 08:38:14
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Well I bought 2 new DIS packs, those arrived on Wednesday, not used the car all week, changed over both the DIS packs yesterday, took the car for a spin round a few blocks and have the power back, back to normal now, no walking to work next week :y...........

Was there any visible signs of damage or cracks on the coil packs Mike? Any visible reason for the failures?

Ps well done on your second place by the way.


Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MutantCav on 14 September 2008, 08:50:15
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Interesting .. after reading your early link .. I just bought one of these ...

http://www.logictoyz.com/automotive-electronics/obdii-code-readers/gs500-maxscan-professional-live-can-obd-ii-eobd-code-scanner.html

same thing but £30 cheaper ???
Would this also work fine on pre facelifts? Would it have the connections or are they the same on the facelift anyway??
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: MikeDundee on 14 September 2008, 08:58:40
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Well I bought 2 new DIS packs, those arrived on Wednesday, not used the car all week, changed over both the DIS packs yesterday, took the car for a spin round a few blocks and have the power back, back to normal now, no walking to work next week :y...........

Was there any visible signs of damage or cracks on the coil packs Mike? Any visible reason for the failures?

Ps well done on your second place by the way.


Yeah, 1-3-5 connecting rubbers were split at the bottoms, signs of water at some stage getting into 5, almost the same on 2-4-6, will post some pics up of the old ones. Oh and thanks :y
Title: Re: FAULT CODES............
Post by: gwa on 14 September 2008, 09:49:55
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Anyway Thanks to Marks DTM for his assistance today on and off the Forum, have ordered two new DIS packs £136.50, should be here wednesday, can't post til tomorrow, so keeping car off the road till have the Dis packs will replace them Wednesday night all going well :y

Questions: [I have a 2.6 V6]
1. Dis Packs; are they the black gizmo block of 3 that sits on top of the plugs?
2. Where did you order from
3. Are they genuine Vx
4. Are the prices using a Tradeclub Card
5. Do prices vary much

I'm starting to think my Username should've been dumbo not gwa  :-[