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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 07 November 2007, 22:56:17
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What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?
Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!
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What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?
Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!
It will clearly rise over time in line the oil price, but the rate of duty is much lower and I would be surprised if it was raised to the equivalent level of petrol duty. But who knows with this lot? :(
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What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?
Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!
I should imagine and would almost certanly say it will eventually go up in price, i remember other cheap fuel grades being cheap due to the environmental benefits, but that soon caught up with the other grades of fuel.
It will go up IMHO
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Ok then, so, hypothetically speaking...if fuel duty was aboloshed...
How easy would be be to fill the tank off a calor bottle? ::) ;D
I'm not sure they could "dip" an LPG tank!
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Ah yes, so there is.
Pm Pending!
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Think back to diesel and its rise in popularity.....
Once upon a time it was somewhere near 25 pence a litre cheaper than leaded/unleaded then HMG realised that lots of peeps were buying it to use in their cars 'cos it was cheaper and they were getting less revenue.....
Enter - Da Chance Seller - who taxed it beyond beleif until it was dearer than unleaded....
LPG is the new kid on the garage block, but is about to enter secondary school or some form of further education...
My guess is that it will get humped and the tax/price rise will make it untenable for general consumption....
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I seem to remember that the Gov said that LPG will be below petrol by 50p for some time, 2012 ?. Also, re filling tanks from other sources, there are several people who sell LPG pumps. I got a guide on conerting to LPG, and it was "suggested" that you get a large tank installed for your central heating (obviously!) and you can get a small LPG pump that would be capable of refilling a car tank, although you must not do this, of course, because the Gov would not get their duty. I don't think LPG is marked in any way, unlike red diesel.
Ken
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Undoubtedly it will rise once the potential tax take gets too tempting.
However, ask yourself if you can make a saving between now and then. We know there's another 4p or so to go onto petrol tax in the next year or two. Payback times for an LPG conversion are going to be pretty quick for a V6 Omega owner. Once you've saved money on it, it was the right decision.
I considered converting my last car 8 years ago but didn't for this very reason.
Kevin
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Outside the areas in and around London, the uptake has been pretty slow. So I doubt the government are going to make any major changes soon, seeing as they won't get much benefit due to the small number of LPG vehicles, and the uproar it would cause when people who have just paid £2000 on a conversion realise that they're not going to make that back.
I'd say the congestion charge exemption is far more at risk, as that really is a huge saving to be made for people who drive into the city regularly. It obviously works, you just need to look at the concentration of LPG cars for sale within travelling distance of London compared to the rest of the UK.
PS I remember this debate coming up on some forum about 4 or 5 years ago, and if anything the price differential has widened since then!
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The word is Transfer Pump (2 actually) and the phrases are
"There is no difference between heating gas and autogas"
"You cannot dip a presurised vessel"
"Propane would be flared off at the rigs if people didn't buy it"
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There is one big difference you have to be careful of with Gas from a bottle is it is dirty.
You get alot more muck in a calor gas bottle than you do at the pumps so make sure its filtered before going into the car.
I did some checking on this and you can get electric pumps but the kind i have seen on ebay are a little iffy to say the least.
you can get a foot or hand pump to fill the car and i have been told it take about 15 or more mins to fill a 75 litre tank depending on how fit you are.
A 95kg bottle of Propane will roughly fill a 75 litre tank 2.5 times if i remember rightly that Propane is about 1/2 kg in weight for a Litre
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this was one reason for me not getting my conversion done earlier, and paying the price in higher patrol prices >:(
if.....and that's potentially a big IF LPG remains approx 50% of petrol then that would mean petrol would have to be say at £2 a litre :o i can't see that happening without somoe form of mass complaint.
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It hit £1/gallon grumbles
50p/l moans
£1/l where is the protests, I used to fill my moped for about 40p!!!!
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There is one big difference you have to be careful of with Gas from a bottle is it is dirty.
You get alot more muck in a calor gas bottle than you do at the pumps so make sure its filtered before going into the car.
I did some checking on this and you can get electric pumps but the kind i have seen on ebay are a little iffy to say the least.
you can get a foot or hand pump to fill the car and i have been told it take about 15 or more mins to fill a 75 litre tank depending on how fit you are.
A 95kg bottle of Propane will roughly fill a 75 litre tank 2.5 times if i remember rightly that Propane is about 1/2 kg in weight for a Litre
so you keep fit and get cheap fuel......result :y [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
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Hummm I think 15 mins was a little short just read an ebay ad for a hand pump and he says 15mins to transfer a 15kg bottle thats only 30litre so it looks like it would be 45 odd mins to fill a 75litre tank :o :o :o
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I feared this very issue. However, it would have to be a huge hike in tax to get it near petrol and, even if tax is increased (which it will be I am sure although I have read that the current tax levels are safe until 2010) there will still be a saving to be made.
£1 per litre is the threshold as this is what is seriously making me think about a conversion, to the extent of expressing a very definite interest in the LPG party event.
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If anything it will be a phased increase in the duty rate, i would be very unlikely for them to announce that from next month duty on propane for road use is being increased by 40p/litre to match that of petrol ::)
They may gradually reduce the differential over a number of years, but even then if your conversion is cheap enough (or you buy a pre-converted car) you'll have made your money back by then anyway.
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Here is some info on LPG Duty I found from 01 May, 2007
LPG autogas is now well- established with strengthened government support in the last Budget guaranteeing the fuel duty for three years. This means that the price of LPG at the pumps will continue to be around half the price of petrol and diesel for the foreseeable future."
Current fuel duty on LPG is 6.105ppl compared with 48.35ppl on petrol and diesel. Between now and 2010 the duty on LPG will rise by 6.305ppl to 12.41ppl while that on petrol and diesel will rise 5.84p to 54.19ppl.
Chapman added that there are more than 20 million petrol vehicles on our roads and he reckoned converting to LPG offers the cheapest and quickest way to make a significant reduction in carbon emissions. "A real difference to the environment can be made now. With a national network of more than 200 LPG autogas-approved installers and with the price of LPG at the pumps being so low, many motorists will even cover the cost of the conversion in their normal motoring," he said.
http://www.autolpg.co.uk/news.html
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gas by 6.305ppl
petrol and diesel by 5.84p
They are ripping us off by over 2p a gallon over petrol - scum politicians >:(