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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: V6 Gix on 16 December 2008, 13:00:03
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Going to do a quick replenish of the power steering reservoir later as the fluid is the colour of mud and the power steering is beginning to feel a tad notchy.
What's the best stuff to use?
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Going to do a quick replenish of the power steering reservoir later as the fluid is the colour of mud and the power steering is beginning to feel a tad notchy.
What's the best stuff to use?
Dexron 2 or equivalent :y
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Nice one, thanks Rob. :y
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Going to do a quick replenish of the power steering reservoir later as the fluid is the colour of mud and the power steering is beginning to feel a tad notchy.
What's the best stuff to use?
Dexron 2 or equivalent :y
You will find that Dexron II & III has now been discontinued, with Dexron VI being the only Vx and Mobil oil recommended replacement for Omega's ;)
Vx Part No. 093165414 £6.71 ltr with TC. 8-)
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Going to do a quick replenish of the power steering reservoir later as the fluid is the colour of mud and the power steering is beginning to feel a tad notchy.
What's the best stuff to use?
Dexron 2 or equivalent :y
You will find that Dexron II & III has now been discontinued, with Dexron VI being the only Vx and Mobil oil recommended replacement for Omega's ;)
Vx Part No. 093165414 £6.71 ltr with TC. 8-)
News to me. I stand corrected Lizzie :-[
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IIRC, the advice that DexronIII could be used was revised back to Dexron II after VX found it to be incompatible with the PAS system although it is normally the case that subsequent specifications are backward compatibole. You'll still find bottles of Dex II in any motor factors although VX dealers might not stock it any more.
Kevin
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IIRC, the advice that DexronIII could be used was revised back to Dexron II after VX found it to be incompatible with the PAS system although it is normally the case that subsequent specifications are backward compatibole. You'll still find bottles of Dex II in any motor factors although VX dealers might not stock it any more.
Kevin
Kevin, all I can do is echo what my main Vx Caffyn's Dealer, who has been 100% correct on everything they have done and said so far, told me that this was now the only ATF recommended and indeed available for Omega's.
In addition read the following web page by Mobil:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_Dexron_VI_ATF.aspx
then by GM themselves :
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f12/gm-introduces-dexron-vi-14532/
There is also more sites explaining Dexron VI as the one to use. ;) ;)
I am certainly using it now! :D ;)
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IIRC, the advice that DexronIII could be used was revised back to Dexron II after VX found it to be incompatible with the PAS system although it is normally the case that subsequent specifications are backward compatibole. You'll still find bottles of Dex II in any motor factors although VX dealers might not stock it any more.
Kevin
Kevin, all I can do is echo what my main Vx Caffyn's Dealer, who has been 100% correct on everything they have done and said so far, told me that this was now the only ATF recommended and indeed available for Omega's.
In addition read the following web page by Mobil:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_Dexron_VI_ATF.aspx
then by GM themselves :
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f12/gm-introduces-dexron-vi-14532/
There is also more sites explaining Dexron VI as the one to use. ;) ;)
I am certainly using it now! :D ;)
I don't think that's in dispute - but I'd think the fact still remains that Dex3 isn't suitable for PAS?
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IIRC, the advice that DexronIII could be used was revised back to Dexron II after VX found it to be incompatible with the PAS system although it is normally the case that subsequent specifications are backward compatibole. You'll still find bottles of Dex II in any motor factors although VX dealers might not stock it any more.
Kevin
Kevin, all I can do is echo what my main Vx Caffyn's Dealer, who has been 100% correct on everything they have done and said so far, told me that this was now the only ATF recommended and indeed available for Omega's.
In addition read the following web page by Mobil:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Other_Products/Mobil_Dexron_VI_ATF.aspx
then by GM themselves :
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f12/gm-introduces-dexron-vi-14532/
There is also more sites explaining Dexron VI as the one to use. ;) ;)
I am certainly using it now! :D ;)
This is another report on Dexron VI :
http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000384801.cfm?x=b11,0,w
:y :y
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I don't think that's in dispute - but I'd think the fact still remains that Dex3 isn't suitable for PAS?
Yep. IIRC, there's a note in TIS somewhere revising the recommendation for the PAS system back to Dex II. I agree that there should normally be no problem using anything of Dex III or greater in an automatic gearbox where the original recommendation was Dex II.
Kevin
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I don't think that's in dispute - but I'd think the fact still remains that Dex3 isn't suitable for PAS?
Yep. IIRC, there's a note in TIS somewhere revising the recommendation for the PAS system back to Dex II. I agree that there should normally be no problem using anything of Dex III or greater in an automatic gearbox where the original recommendation was Dex II.
Kevin
But as said Kevin my Vx dealer specifically stated that Dexron VI, on their VX central information system that they double checked for me, stated that it was the only one for the Omega PAS and the gearbox? ::) ::)
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I don't think that's in dispute - but I'd think the fact still remains that Dex3 isn't suitable for PAS?
Yep. IIRC, there's a note in TIS somewhere revising the recommendation for the PAS system back to Dex II. I agree that there should normally be no problem using anything of Dex III or greater in an automatic gearbox where the original recommendation was Dex II.
Kevin
But as said Kevin my Vx dealer specifically stated that Dexron VI, on their VX central information system that they double checked for me, stated that it was the only one for the Omega PAS and the gearbox? ::) ::)
Rather them than me :y
I'd like to see some long term results, before putting it in a PAS system, personally.
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Just been looking in TIS and EPC, only references to Dex 2 and 3 in there.
Not saying you are wrong by any means....but with my experience of dealers, I would want more than 1 persons word for it.
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I don't think that's in dispute - but I'd think the fact still remains that Dex3 isn't suitable for PAS?
Yep. IIRC, there's a note in TIS somewhere revising the recommendation for the PAS system back to Dex II. I agree that there should normally be no problem using anything of Dex III or greater in an automatic gearbox where the original recommendation was Dex II.
Kevin
But as said Kevin my Vx dealer specifically stated that Dexron VI, on their VX central information system that they double checked for me, stated that it was the only one for the Omega PAS and the gearbox? ::) ::)
Rather them than me :y
I'd like to see some long term results, before putting it in a PAS system, personally.
You have me worried now James; who do I believe?? :-? :-? :-?
I have always relied on the people who design and build the cars, along with the producers of the oils, to know what they are talking about and is suitable for their products. Is that a wrong assumption? :-? ::) ::)
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Just been looking in TIS and EPC, only references to Dex 2 and 3 in there.
Not saying you are wrong by any means....but with my experience of dealers, I would want more than 1 persons word for it.
Look at the web sites I have given Jimbob :y :y
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Wouldn't be the first time there's been conflicting information in VXs service data. It appears to be luck of the draw whether you hit the latest information or something that has been superceded. The much-mooted 80K cam belt change interval being one example. ;)
I shouldn't think anything catastrophic will happen anyway, and I think it was only one version of GM Dex III that prompted the change, so anything else is probably perfectly OK.
Kevin
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Wouldn't be the first time there's been conflicting information in VXs service data. It appears to be luck of the draw whether you hit the latest information or something that has been superceded. The much-mooted 80K cam belt change interval being one example. ;)
I shouldn't think anything catastrophic will happen anyway, and I think it was only one version of GM Dex III that prompted the change, so anything else is probably perfectly OK.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin! :y :y ;)
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Just been looking in TIS and EPC, only references to Dex 2 and 3 in there.
Not saying you are wrong by any means....but with my experience of dealers, I would want more than 1 persons word for it.
Look at the web sites I have given Jimbob :y :y
Ive had a good read, was just trying to confirm in TIS.
Also found it stange, that although a 2006 product, it isnt in my 2008 EPC.
Ive been using the Fuchs Dex 2 and 3 from OPIE, with good results.
I would really like to find some more official data on it.
Will have a word next time im at the dealer.
Be interesting if Mark can get any info out his Dad as well.
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Just been looking in TIS and EPC, only references to Dex 2 and 3 in there.
Not saying you are wrong by any means....but with my experience of dealers, I would want more than 1 persons word for it.
Look at the web sites I have given Jimbob :y :y
Ive had a good read, was just trying to confirm in TIS.
Also found it stange, that although a 2006 product, it isnt in my 2008 EPC.
Ive been using the Fuchs Dex 2 and 3 from OPIE, with good results.
I would really like to find some more official data on it.
Will have a word next time im at the dealer.
Be interesting if Mark can get any info out his Dad as well.
Yes Jimbob, the more info we can all get on this one the better I believe. :y :y ;)
I'll try my Vx dealer again tomorrow and attempt to get some further definite info. ::) ::) ::)
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Thanks for all the great info!!
Went to Halfrauds and got some Dex II and it seems to have done the trick.
Cheers. :)
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Just been looking in TIS and EPC, only references to Dex 2 and 3 in there.
Not saying you are wrong by any means....but with my experience of dealers, I would want more than 1 persons word for it.
Look at the web sites I have given Jimbob :y :y
Ive had a good read, was just trying to confirm in TIS.
Also found it stange, that although a 2006 product, it isnt in my 2008 EPC.
Ive been using the Fuchs Dex 2 and 3 from OPIE, with good results.
I would really like to find some more official data on it.
Will have a word next time im at the dealer.
Be interesting if Mark can get any info out his Dad as well.
Yes Jimbob, the more info we can all get on this one the better I believe. :y :y ;)
I'll try my Vx dealer again tomorrow and attempt to get some further definite info. ::) ::) ::)
A doc ref from tis would be very good ;)
normally when things are superceeded in EPC, the new one is linked, but I cant find any reference.
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Interesting thread with good points from all.
My understanding is that the PAS reservoir is filled with Dexron II and as stated Dex III should not be used. Dex VI may well be suitable but it can do no harm to top up with Dex II if that is what is already in there, especially as it is no doubt cheaper than Dex VI.
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Well now I am baffled!!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Called in today to see 'my friend' in the parts department and described the uncertainty I have over the Dexron VI they sold me as "the only one suitable for Omega's PAS", and the discussion going on with Forum members all believing that Dexron II & III is still the stuff to use.
Anyway he went away and did some digging on the system and came back with a print out of what is on the system now:
AR25/AR35 Auto 4-Speed on Omega-B transmissions may be filled with Dexron III,cat.no. 19 40 763 (90 510 269) and can be mixed with the "retroactively approved" ETL 7045 E Transmission fluid.
With PAS "Special Fluid, Dexron III" should be used.
He could find no mention now of Dexron II or VI!!! :o :o :o
I am now far from happy, and have decided to use no more of the Dexron VI until I go back to the dealer after Christmas to sort it all out before my planned 2009 ATF change. >:( >:(
Is there someone out there please who can obtain the definitive GM / Vx / Mobile official advice on the correct ATF to use in 2009?? ::) ::) ::)
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Interesting,
Tis field remedy 1570 states dex III is not suitable for pas, and states to go back to dex II
very strange!
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Interesting,
Tis field remedy 1570 states dex III is not suitable for pas, and states to go back to dex II
very strange!
To me Jimbob it all is getting stranger and stranger, with doubt in GM circles that should not exist with something so crucial as with ATF! ::) ::) ::) ::)
In a way I wish I had never raised this (YES, it is all my bloody fault!! ::) ::)) and never asked my dealer anything, instead just buying Dexron II, III, VI or anything!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Interesting,
Tis field remedy 1570 states dex III is not suitable for pas, and states to go back to dex II
very strange!
This is what I found.
That's only the PAS though. Dex 3 is fine for the transmission and Dex 4 might well be fine too.
Kevin
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I'll look later to see what I bought from Vauxhall for my power steering pump reservoir. :y