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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 11 February 2009, 11:57:01
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i dont recognise his voice so i think hes new, and says self levelling is an option on the mv6. Hes quoting the same part number/ rear shock for elite and mv6, is this correct?
If so i can fit mv6 springs all round and away we go,
mv6 suspension AND self levelling!.......?
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Your MV6 would also need to get the compressor etc fitted as well to make it work, I would think....
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sorry Hotel, i didnt make it quite clear, i have an elite with sl and need to change front shocks and springs, would like to fit mv6 suspension but dont want to buy new rear shocks as well as i have just stumped 150 sobs for new sl rear shocks in elite spec. If i can just fit mv6 springs then great. But if i have to change shocks as well then its not worth the money and agro considering the expense outlayed already and will just fit stock items.
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I belive they are diffrent from the Elites to the MV6 when i have mine done i got new shocks all round and a full set of ex-plod MV6 springs from a car that only had 30K on them. From what i can recall the diffrence with the Facelift Elite or MV6 are both Springs and Shocks.
Have had the MV6 shocks and springs has made the car better to handle and comfort is still good.
Hope that is of help. :y
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not without getting your level sensor reset on rear for the self leveling with the mv6 being lower :y
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not without getting your level sensor reset on rear for the self leveling with the mv6 being lower :y
Thanks Markey, i had presumed i could bend the tie rod or adjust the right angle arm on the self level box to give the correct ride hight at the rear...?
So your basically saying fit mv6 springs and job done. Stock shocks with self levelling will work with mv6 springs and adjust the self levelling box to give correct mv6 ride hight?
Must admit i am a little confused, mv6 springs are shorter, got that bit, but i am under the impression, as SP 3.2 says, that mv6 shocks are shorter too? Or do the same shocks sit lower and have less travel due to stiffer springs and therefor will not "bottom out" or hit the bump stops?
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When i had my old S/L off and conpaired them to a new MV6 one they where a bit shorter not much but when fitted the car was lower than before .
Also the seem to be stiffer in action i.e harder to compress by hand and slower to return.
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If you go down the MV6 route I may be interested in the S/L shocks ::) ::)
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If you go down the MV6 route I may be interested in the S/L shocks ::) ::)
Well this is it, i want to keep the self levelling shocks,i "beleive" mv6 susp, does not have self level, from what i have read, but as is logical, police spec mv6 cars will have hids, esp the 3.2! So will have sports suspension AND self level! So why do without self level?
More q's than a's so far.
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If you go down the MV6 route I may be interested in the S/L shocks ::) ::)
Well this is it, i want to keep the self levelling shocks,i "beleive" mv6 susp, does not have self level, from what i have read, but as is logical, police spec mv6 cars will have hids, esp the 3.2! So will have sports suspension AND self level! So why do without self level?
More q's than a's so far.
MV6, by default, does not have self levelling suspension, plod or non plod....
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If you go down the MV6 route I may be interested in the S/L shocks ::) ::)
Well this is it, i want to keep the self levelling shocks,i "beleive" mv6 susp, does not have self level, from what i have read, but as is logical, police spec mv6 cars will have hids, esp the 3.2! So will have sports suspension AND self level! So why do without self level?
More q's than a's so far.
MV6, by default, does not have self levelling suspension, plod or non plod....
Firstly.
Well thats my understanding, but getting that info from a dealer is difficult. They are telling me all sorts, therefor getting the right part numbers is impossible. I havent even got as far as a factors for springs as i dont know what to ask them for...
Secondly,
Regardless off whats stock mv6 or not, will mv6 suspension work with my self level rear shocks? And if not why?
Thirdly, if i cant fit mv6 suspension, what else will work with self level that gives better lower firmer handeling? Eibach, Bilstein? Although i dont really want to pay much more than vx trade club prices for front shocks, lower and stiffer springs would be enough i presume...?
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spoke to Tony at Wim about this, his first thought was that the elite s/l damping rates would not match the mv6 springs?
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i would tend to agree with tony but with the shocks being newish after adjusting level arm i would say it would be fine ! if you are fancying track days mabye not but for genaral driving :y
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i would tend to agree with tony but with the shocks being newish after adjusting level arm i would say it would be fine ! if you are fancying track days mabye not but for genaral driving :y
Thanks Markey, i hope there will be track days, but they def be on a bike, so the car is safe. :-)
To confirm, with help from Kevin Wood, i was able to supply the dealer with an 03 Mv6 3.2 reg number!
Similar spec to my car.And simply asked for a Quote on shocks and springs all round with self levelling option, then a price on rear shocks and springs for mine.
Having picked myself up off the floor from seeing the £1300 plus price, i was pleased to see that part numbers for rear shocks and springs with sl for Kevins mv6 would be exactly the same as my Elite!!!
This is great news as i can now fit mv6 front end and just lower the rear ride hight to match the front. So i dont even need mv6 rear springs. All i need now is a pair of mv6 front shocks at £46 odd on tc. And source a pair of non vx springs of the same mv6 spec for the front. Job done.
Although i think i should ring Tony at wim and check the book ride hight for both vehicles.
And i wonder if vx do a shorter tie rod for the self levelling arm on the mv6? Hmmm.
Having fitted a tow bar and will be fitting an lpg donut tank the spare wheel well, i wonder if keeping sl might be wise, esp when towing, with all the extra heft on the back?
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Having fitted a tow bar and will be fitting an lpg donut tank the spare wheel well, i wonder if keeping sl might be wise, esp when towing, with all the extra heft on the back?
If you're only towing a little trailer then not a problem with lowering and everything else... If you're towing big and heavy, like pikey boxes, then I'd definitely keep the S/L :y :y :y
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Having fitted a tow bar and will be fitting an lpg donut tank the spare wheel well, i wonder if keeping sl might be wise, esp when towing, with all the extra heft on the back?
If you're only towing a little trailer then not a problem with lowering and everything else... If you're towing big and heavy, like pikey boxes, then I'd definitely keep the S/L :y :y :y
Being an 18 stone cake and eat it type of guy, and Dad getting on a bit and haveing a pikey pile down in cornwall, all options are still open. Including a slightly fuller wallet. :-) :y
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Having picked myself up off the floor from seeing the £1300 plus price, i was pleased to see that part numbers for rear shocks and springs with sl for Kevins mv6 would be exactly the same as my Elite!!!
Did you check the part numbers on the front setup on MV6 with self-levelling? Just makes me wonder if they chuck standard Elite suspension on MV6s with self levelling as an option. :-/
Kevin
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Having picked myself up off the floor from seeing the £1300 plus price, i was pleased to see that part numbers for rear shocks and springs with sl for Kevins mv6 would be exactly the same as my Elite!!!
Did you check the part numbers on the front setup on MV6 with self-levelling? Just makes me wonder if they chuck standard Elite suspension on MV6s with self levelling as an option. :-/
Kevin
Had that thought myself. When ringing round, Reading branch said same, rear same as my Elite, front had diff. number for mv6 shocks than listed for my car. I didnt believe him at the time as it didnt make sense, thought he was talking bollix tbh. But Slough branch confirmed it again today, and showed me on the screen, not that i saw it clearly, but will double check tomorrow as he did stumble a bit with the mv6 variants on the front. Iirc they listed non plod(yours?), plod, and plod armoured body...
Might be an idea to set the rear to mv6 ride hight first before doing anything, just to see if the springs will allow the body to sit that low without the sl dampers holding it up. If you know what i mean...?
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Yep. The problem might be that if the Elite suspension is softer sprung or doesn't have as much damping the lower ride height might not work without it bottoming out.
Kevin
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Having picked myself up off the floor from seeing the £1300 plus price, i was pleased to see that part numbers for rear shocks and springs with sl for Kevins mv6 would be exactly the same as my Elite!!!
Did you check the part numbers on the front setup on MV6 with self-levelling? Just makes me wonder if they chuck standard Elite suspension on MV6s with self levelling as an option. :-/
Kevin
just confirmed this again, different parts man again at Slough. No they dont fit the complete set of elite springs to an Mv6 with sl option. They retain the front mv6 shocks and springs and just fit/ lower the ride hight of the elite sl rear.
Or to put it another way, if both mine and Kevins cars where both fitted with sl, my Elite front suspension would be elite with sl rear set higher
and Kevins mv6 front suspension would be Mv6 as fitted now, with elite sl suspension at the rear set lower!
Hold up, just got vx tech ring me back, will keep you informed.
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right, vx tech said,
Self levelling was not an option on the 03 mv6 according to their 03 brochure. Ffs, Slough parts man talking crap.
They do not have an 02 brochure but mine is an 03 car so thats fine. If disappointing.
However, having since driven Kevin woods mv6, the more i think about it the more i suspect the tires.
It was clear how much more my car reacts to bad road surfaces. Both ends, not just the back, of my car will move and pull about far far more than his. Only once did Kevins car pull through the stearing on a poor section of road. Mine was at it from start to finish on all sections.
This movement is probably alot less noticeable on the m4 where the road is flatter, and i guess im only noticeing rear and movement as im used to the front pulling anyway.
Back to square one.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Cheers, Chris :-)
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right, vx tech said,
Self levelling was not an option on the 03 mv6 according to their 03 brochure. Ffs, Slough parts man talking crap.
They do not have an 02 brochure but mine is an 03 car so thats fine. If disappointing.
However, having since driven Kevin woods mv6, the more i think about it the more i suspect the tires.
It was clear how much more my car reacts to bad road surfaces. Both ends, not just the back, of my car will move and pull about far far more than his. Only once did Kevins car pull through the stearing on a poor section of road. Mine was at it from start to finish on all sections.
This movement is probably alot less noticeable on the m4 where the road is flatter, and i guess im only noticeing rear and movement as im used to the front pulling anyway.
Back to square one.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Cheers, Chris :-)
Play with your tyre pressures.....increase by 1 psi at a time.
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right, vx tech said,
Self levelling was not an option on the 03 mv6 according to their 03 brochure. Ffs, Slough parts man talking crap.
They do not have an 02 brochure but mine is an 03 car so thats fine. If disappointing.
However, having since driven Kevin woods mv6, the more i think about it the more i suspect the tires.
It was clear how much more my car reacts to bad road surfaces. Both ends, not just the back, of my car will move and pull about far far more than his. Only once did Kevins car pull through the stearing on a poor section of road. Mine was at it from start to finish on all sections.
This movement is probably alot less noticeable on the m4 where the road is flatter, and i guess im only noticeing rear and movement as im used to the front pulling anyway.
Back to square one.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Cheers, Chris :-)
Play with your tyre pressures.....increase by 1 psi at a time.
Must confess I haven't found the Mig overly pressure sensitive... The Rangie was dreadful... Just 1psi out and you could notice it :o :o
I'm now running at Mr DTM's 35psi and have found it the best compromise between economy and performance :y :y :y
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right, vx tech said,
Self levelling was not an option on the 03 mv6 according to their 03 brochure. Ffs, Slough parts man talking crap.
They do not have an 02 brochure but mine is an 03 car so thats fine. If disappointing.
However, having since driven Kevin woods mv6, the more i think about it the more i suspect the tires.
It was clear how much more my car reacts to bad road surfaces. Both ends, not just the back, of my car will move and pull about far far more than his. Only once did Kevins car pull through the stearing on a poor section of road. Mine was at it from start to finish on all sections.
This movement is probably alot less noticeable on the m4 where the road is flatter, and i guess im only noticeing rear and movement as im used to the front pulling anyway.
Back to square one.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Cheers, Chris :-)
Play with your tyre pressures.....increase by 1 psi at a time.
Must confess I haven't found the Mig overly pressure sensitive... The Rangie was dreadful... Just 1psi out and you could notice it :o :o
I'm now running at Mr DTM's 35psi and have found it the best compromise between economy and performance :y :y :y
my mv6 runs at 32f and 35r - that was the best compromise for me...
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right, vx tech said,
Self levelling was not an option on the 03 mv6 according to their 03 brochure. Ffs, Slough parts man talking crap.
They do not have an 02 brochure but mine is an 03 car so thats fine. If disappointing.
However, having since driven Kevin woods mv6, the more i think about it the more i suspect the tires.
It was clear how much more my car reacts to bad road surfaces. Both ends, not just the back, of my car will move and pull about far far more than his. Only once did Kevins car pull through the stearing on a poor section of road. Mine was at it from start to finish on all sections.
This movement is probably alot less noticeable on the m4 where the road is flatter, and i guess im only noticeing rear and movement as im used to the front pulling anyway.
Back to square one.
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Cheers, Chris :-)
Play with your tyre pressures.....increase by 1 psi at a time.
Must confess I haven't found the Mig overly pressure sensitive... The Rangie was dreadful... Just 1psi out and you could notice it :o :o
I'm now running at Mr DTM's 35psi and have found it the best compromise between economy and performance :y :y :y
my mv6 runs at 32f and 35r - that was the best compromise for me...
Must confess, I'm thinking of dropping the front a little as I could do with the feeling of a little more grip... Not actually had an issue but have noticed with the damp roads, and my recent enthusiasm for taking the roundabouts a little faster ::) ::), that I could do with more feel :y :y
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Its likely to be more dependent on the tyre make/type than the car.....
Varying the tyre pressure slightly can help with tramlining issues and hence the sudgestion
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Its likely to be more dependent on the tyre make/type than the car.....
Varying the tyre pressure slightly can help with tramlining issues and hence the sudgestion
Yep... Not exactly premium tyres but were superb until the last few days... I'll try dropping them a touch and see what happens :y :y :y
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Looking through this thread with interest,as I have a 2.5 Elite estate with s/l the arse end looks [is] higher than front end,think they should look level.can hear the pump working after start up, goes for about 5 secs,have tried the sit on boot sill bit with a mate but cant feel the car rise so think it must be at max height all the time.
The suspension does`nt drop when parked up.
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Looking through this thread with interest,as I have a 2.5 Elite estate with s/l the arse end looks [is] higher than front end,think they should look level.can hear the pump working after start up, goes for about 5 secs,have tried the sit on boot sill bit with a mate but cant feel the car rise so think it must be at max height all the time.
The suspension does`nt drop when parked up.
Check the rear suspension arms for sensors... I can't remember which side but you'll see a plastic rod and sensor. Make sure they're all connected properly :y :y :y
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currently set at 32 all round on Falken 912 tires. Thought that pressure was top end of the scale tbh. How far should i go with this? 36/7 at the most?
Does anybody know what tires were fitted from the factory?
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Looking through this thread with interest,as I have a 2.5 Elite estate with s/l the arse end looks [is] higher than front end,think they should look level.can hear the pump working after start up, goes for about 5 secs,have tried the sit on boot sill bit with a mate but cant feel the car rise so think it must be at max height all the time.
The suspension does`nt drop when parked up.
The hight control arm on mine is by the fuel filter, between dif, filter and fuel tank. Youll see a 4 by 2(ish) box with a right angle arm and a small wire connecting rod with plastic rose joints on either end connected to a bracket on the suspension arm. Lever the plastic rose joint off with flat blade screw driver, easily reached with the drivers rear wheel in your left arm pit when lying on the floor. You can then move the arm up and, in your case, down i hope, to get the correct/desired hight. It should respond to the movements. Maybe your tie rod is not connected or something.
The ride hight should be the same front to back. Wim say there is 10 mill tolerance on average.
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Looking through this thread with interest,as I have a 2.5 Elite estate with s/l the arse end looks [is] higher than front end,think they should look level.can hear the pump working after start up, goes for about 5 secs,have tried the sit on boot sill bit with a mate but cant feel the car rise so think it must be at max height all the time.
The suspension does`nt drop when parked up.
The hight control arm on mine is by the fuel filter, between dif, filter and fuel tank. Youll see a 4 by 2(ish) box with a right angle arm and a small wire connecting rod with plastic rose joints on either end connected to a bracket on the suspension arm. Lever the plastic rose joint off with flat blade screw driver, easily reached with the drivers rear wheel in your left arm pit when lying on the floor. You can then move the arm up and, in your case, down i hope, to get the correct/desired hight. It should respond to the movements. Maybe your tie rod is not connected or something.
The ride hight should be the same front to back. Wim say there is 10 mill tolerance on average.
Also, it helps to have engine off when doing this so you can hear the pump, but this can flatten the battery if your not carefull.
I guess if the car responds to the arm moving, and still returns to the high position then maybe a tech2 session is in order with a member on here, as i beleive there is an option to calibrate the self level setting, or something similar? See how you go. :-)
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Thanks for the tips will get my nipper to have a play Im past it now,spanners painfull to the hands and now takes to many trips to the tool box to get the right spanner.
Where is the ride height measured from wheel arch to top of tyre or ground?
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My Mini F/L MV6 is prewired for S/L Suspension but has NO S/L Components fitted just wiring connectors