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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: semisheen on 26 April 2009, 16:41:55
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How does a chiped 2.5td compare with a 2.5 V6 petrol in terms of performance ?
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v6 will win all races...
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Fair comment .....just as i thought
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Out of interest how about real life efficiency figures?
(dreaming SWMBO will allow me to buy a better miggy)
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v6 will win all races...
Not sure on the "all races" part. A colleague has a V6 and was asked to run his car against his mates freshly chipped 2.5td. He said it was pretty much even until just over 100mph and then his V6 edged ahead.
Until that point he was quite concerned he was going to have to eat a fair helping of humble pie after mocking his mates claim that the chipped tractor was a vast improvement over standard.
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(dreaming SWMBO will allow me to buy a better miggy)
Just buy what you want! Is SWMBO buying? Go for what you want ..... silent meals only last a few days!!! :y :y :y
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v6 will win all races...
Not sure on the "all races" part. A colleague has a V6 and was asked to run his car against his mates freshly chipped 2.5td. He said it was pretty much even until just over 100mph and then his V6 edged ahead.
Until that point he was quite concerned he was going to have to eat a fair helping of humble pie after mocking his mates claim that the chipped tractor was a vast improvement over standard.
Modified diesel vs stock petrol :P. Throw some 3.0 cams into the mix and see what happens ::)
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i think a V6 would run rings round a TD (btw Racing an old tractor engine like that BMW 2.5 engine it isnt a Common rail tuned engine racing it certainly will blow it up)
the economoy is very similar and i would rather have the V6 i bet the V6 would be more reliable too
that BMW engine is very overated anyone with BMW specialist experiance will tell you lots of bad things about it!
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v6 will win all races...
Not sure on the "all races" part. A colleague has a V6 and was asked to run his car against his mates freshly chipped 2.5td. He said it was pretty much even until just over 100mph and then his V6 edged ahead.
Until that point he was quite concerned he was going to have to eat a fair helping of humble pie after mocking his mates claim that the chipped tractor was a vast improvement over standard.
0-60, chipped auto tractor around low 9s, standard auto 2.5 around mid 8s. There may be an area above motorway speed limit where the tractor gets 'on song' and would beat the v6. Both start to run out of breather just shy of 130mph, though the v6 will still keep winding up slowly.
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i think a V6 would run rings round a TD (btw Racing an old tractor engine like that BMW 2.5 engine it isnt a Common rail tuned engine racing it certainly will blow it up)
the economoy is very similar and i would rather have the V6 i bet the V6 would be more reliable too
that BMW engine is very overated anyone with BMW specialist experiance will tell you lots of bad things about it!
:D ;D :D ;D I take it you've not owned many Miggy Ferguson's then.
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i think a V6 would run rings round a TD (btw Racing an old tractor engine like that BMW 2.5 engine it isnt a Common rail tuned engine racing it certainly will blow it up)
the economoy is very similar and i would rather have the V6 i bet the V6 would be more reliable too
that BMW engine is very overated anyone with BMW specialist experiance will tell you lots of bad things about it!
Racing it won't damage it purely because it isn't common rail - in fact some say the old style injectors are more robust than the common rail types. You may struggle to get the same ultimate performance, and certainly not the same economy, but both are equally prone to self destruction, as mechanically very similar.
Chipped, the economy is better than unchipped. Personally, I don't think the engine is suited to GM autoboxes, as they really do seem to sap the mpg when used in conjunction with this unit. In manual form, its a good package, both power wise (slightly less than 2.5 v6) and economy (way better than the v6). If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, believe me, I would be MV6-less ;)
You're right about its rating though, it is overrated, and when it destructs, it does so pretty spectucularly (probably due to previous poor servicing - its prone to blocked or restricted oilways). Its certainly not a bad engine, people think because it says BMW on the side that it is something special when it is not. It suffers all the usual problems we expect from BMW engines.
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....... If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, ......
There's a manual TD Omega in a local scrap yard! :y
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....... If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, ......
There's a manual TD Omega in a local scrap yard! :y
Virtually all of the manuals are GLS spec. Seen one or 2 CDs, but all CDXs and ELites I've ever seen are autos. I know Omegatoy has found an Elite TD manual, but thats an estate...
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....... If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, ......
There's a manual TD Omega in a local scrap yard! :y
Virtually all of the manuals are GLS spec. Seen one or 2 CDs, but all CDXs and ELites I've ever seen are autos. I know Omegatoy has found an Elite TD manual, but thats an estate...
ive seen how you pack for camping, surely an estate would be a good idea ;D ;D ;D
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....... If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, ......
There's a manual TD Omega in a local scrap yard! :y
Virtually all of the manuals are GLS spec. Seen one or 2 CDs, but all CDXs and ELites I've ever seen are autos. I know Omegatoy has found an Elite TD manual, but thats an estate...
ive seen how you pack for camping, surely an estate would be a good idea ;D ;D ;D
It would be very handy for 3 or 4 times a year, but not sure if I could live with one day to day :-/
Might be going to York in a Rover, as I have a few parts to take up there :'( (not that I mind driving the Rover, I like it)
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The automatic bit is sorta novel at the moment ….but I think ill soon get bored with it …ive got a manual box on tap ready to go but ive done too much of that sort of work in the past ……im getting old now 40 this year ive still got it all in me head but don’t like getting me hands dirty anymore
saying that im sure pretty soon ill book a week of & do it ....i do like the car very much ....previosly i was a rover man having a 620TI wich was amazing anyone who knows about theese cars will know what im talking about ....i still curently have a J reg 820 turbo mk1 (gettin rare now)
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v6 will win on the dash to 60, but in the long run the TD will sail past the petrol station the V6 will stop at ;)
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v6 will win on the dash to 60, but in the long run the TD will sail past the petrol station the V6 will stop at ;)
I think there is a speed around above motorway speeds, where TD may have the legs on a 2.5 v6
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v6 will win on the dash to 60, but in the long run the TD will sail past the petrol station the V6 will stop at ;)
I think there is a speed around above motorway speeds, where TD may have the legs on a 2.5 v6
I'm inclined to agree TB!
At the end of the day, it's a case of individual choice.
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v6 will win on the dash to 60, but in the long run the TD will sail past the petrol station the V6 will stop at ;)
Full tank of LPG and full tank of petrol - huge range ;D
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v6 will win on the dash to 60, but in the long run the TD will sail past the petrol station the V6 will stop at ;)
Full tank of LPG and full tank of petrol - huge range ;D
If you're willing to lose half your boot, imagine what a TD could do with the same amount of fuel ;)
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I loose about 1/4 of the boot!
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I loose about 1/4 of the boot!
Same still applies...
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
You're convincing me ....... where's the Auto Trader for a straight 6? ;D ;D ;D
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
You're convincing me ....... where's the Auto Trader for a straight 6? ;D ;D ;D
:y ;D :y
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And if the belt does go...no engine damage. Happened to me on the M4. RAC'd back to my mates garage, ordered a new belt which was delivered within the hour. Stuck it on and away to go.
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
You're convincing me ....... where's the Auto Trader for a straight 6? ;D ;D ;D
:y ;D :y
[/I was looking forward to omegatoys reply ]
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.
That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!
All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor :'(
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Yeah the viscous fan .....last time i saw 1 of those it was back in the Black & white days ..strange quirk
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.
That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!
All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor :'(
LOLOL never having a oroblem with my viscous on any of the 3 i have had so cant coment,
weak water pumps? change it to a metal one and job done and it takes around 30mins to do, how long on a V6? ;D
Glow plugs? hmm done them on two of the three but not a bad job really and its only once in around 100k,
lift pump is a known issue but its only a modified petrol pump and reasonably easily sorted or rebuilt as a few have done,
yes its heavy lump but you dont really notice it till your pushing it really hard,
in short i reckon 90percent of all probs with the lump come from incorrect servicing in dealers who didnt know what they were supposed to do when the engine was forst introduced, as you have said once sorted they kind of grow on you :y
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....previosly i was a rover man having a 620TI wich was amazing anyone who knows about theese cars will know what im talking about ....i still curently have a J reg 820 turbo mk1 (gettin rare now)
i had a 620ti..what a sleeper..only slightly behind subaru/evo performance...i also had a mk1 827 vitesse :y
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Got to agree with Omegatoy ..........
I reckon Vx's crazy service intervals have been the downfall of many a tractor in later life.
Mine gets an engine oil/filter-change religiously every 2.5k miles, mainly due to Mrs Sethsmate's shortish journeys. It gets a good long blast every week or so, and being chipped, absolutely 'sings' on the motorway. Returns a proven 33mpg around the valleys, and we're quite happy with this - there you have it, fellow OOFers!
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.
That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!
All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor :'(
LOLOL never having a oroblem with my viscous on any of the 3 i have had so cant coment,
weak water pumps? change it to a metal one and job done and it takes around 30mins to do, how long on a V6? ;D
Glow plugs? hmm done them on two of the three but not a bad job really and its only once in around 100k,
lift pump is a known issue but its only a modified petrol pump and reasonably easily sorted or rebuilt as a few have done,
yes its heavy lump but you dont really notice it till your pushing it really hard,
in short i reckon 90percent of all probs with the lump come from incorrect servicing in dealers who didnt know what they were supposed to do when the engine was forst introduced, as you have said once sorted they kind of grow on you :y
Just showing that all engines have their little weaknesses.
Oh, and for info, a v6 pump can be done in under an hour, and that includes changing the cambelt kit, aux belt, and aux tensioners ;)
First waterpump I did on tractor must have taken around 3hrs, due to that rather viscous being a pig.
As to the weight, when was my tractor not driven hard ::) :-X
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Got to agree with Omegatoy ..........
I reckon Vx's crazy service intervals have been the downfall of many a tractor in later life.
Mine gets an engine oil/filter-change religiously every 2.5k miles, mainly due to Mrs Sethsmate's shortish journeys. It gets a good long blast every week or so, and being chipped, absolutely 'sings' on the motorway. Returns a proven 33mpg around the valleys, and we're quite happy with this - there you have it, fellow OOFers!
The really crazy intervals were never introduce on the 2.5TD, initially 4.5k max, later extended to 7.5k max.
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in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one. I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/
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Sounds an old fasioned view of a diesel .....maybe im lucky but i can hardly hear mine when its warm ...its runs on home made Bio too ...now you really will think im bonkers ,but that aside saves me £200 a month never had any problems ....
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in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one. I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/
I miss my TD. The 3.0 v6 is way quicker, but both Omegas were equal fun in their own way.
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can hardly hear mine when its warm
Crucial word: WARM. Unless you have aditional parking heater (eg:http://www.webasto.co.uk/am/en/am_automobile_3177.html) its unlikely to be warm ALL the time.
For the last year or so I have driven a number of times Citroen C5 estate with 2.0 HDi (136ps). The car is now 2yo. The engine is regarded as one of the smoothest, quietest diesels around. Sorry but doesnt even come close to 12yo Omega V6. Mercedes C220 CDI (5-6yo) likewise.
TB: I have driven a diesel car in the past that was a lot of fun too. The whole car shook when idleing - but was still fun, DESPITE being diesel.
Semishen: saves me £200 a month
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Hadn't dawned on me that the straight six was quiet for a tractor until it was on the lift at a local exhaust specialist.
The chap was stood with the front wheel at ear level and the engine running when he stopped what he was doing and with a puzzled look on his face, asked if it was a diesel.
He was really surprised how quiet it was.
I say "was" because with the under engine guard removed it reflects the diesel rattle off the road and when cold it definately sounds like a tractor.
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in my case hearing a diesel rattling at trafic lights is more than enough to never want to own one. I undersand that there are people who do great mileages and HAVE to run one due to financial reasons. But if you don't HAVE to why would you WANT to? :-/
T.O.R.Q.U.E. :y and loads of it too!!!
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T.O.R.Q.U.E. and loads of it too!!!
For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...
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T.O.R.Q.U.E. and loads of it too!!!
For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...
or to put it another way...a useable range. ;)
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T.O.R.Q.U.E. and loads of it too!!!
For as long as you keep it between 1800 and 4000rpm. If you drop below/hit over all the power is gone...
yep although the figures are slightly better than that on mine, in fact on most that are chipped, however along with the torque comes economy and fun!! and a lot less maintenance as stated!
each to thier own tho, I just dont like the V6 but i love the omega!! :y
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i love my v6 but am really really considering a Td next - how do they compare to modern diesels? i just love the torque on our company passat, the fact that you can really shift without to much effort is what is swaying me - torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking :-/
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they wont compare to a modern diesel mate and thats a fact no common rail injection
unchipped they are a joke! lethargic and very slow!
the 3.0v6 deffinatly has more pulling power and pulls a hell of alot more especially in manual guise
that pissat will have the clever twin turbo engine in it hence the massive tourqe i believe they are nearly pushing 150bhp now
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i love my v6 but am really really considering a Td next - how do they compare to modern diesels? i just love the torque on our company passat, the fact that you can really shift without to much effort is what is swaying me - torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking :-/
I detest that vag 1.9 diesel with a passion, but on its narrow power band, it can accelerate (in 130bhp form, or higher ;))
The VAG is more economical, but much smaller, lighter car
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Despite my age I am guilty of changing up as early as 1800/2000revs when in sofa mode (often in Omega). When i first got Omega and saw that I am driving around at 1200 revs i thought something was wrong with the rev-counter.
On the other side, when my Golf I cabrio is nicely warmed-up I often rev it up to 5000 - just cause I enjoy it.
BTW, don't take me wrong - I actually don't drive much - on average 12k km per year. If it was around 20k (12k miles) or more, I would obviously drive a diesel cause it makes sence financially.
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i love my v6 but am really really considering a Td next - how do they compare to modern diesels? i just love the torque on our company passat, the fact that you can really shift without to much effort is what is swaying me - torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking :-/
I detest that vag 1.9 diesel with a passion, but on its narrow power band, it can accelerate (in 130bhp form, or higher ;))
The VAG is more economical, but much smaller, lighter car
well IMHO the VAG tdgti130 and above are fantastic engines an absolute pleasure to drive :-*
and i appreciate the bargeness of a mig (i've had mine 5 years now ;))
and obviously would get it chipped :)
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I detest that vag 1.9 diesel with a passion, but on its narrow power band, it can accelerate (in 130bhp form, or higher )
The VAG is more economical, but much smaller, lighter car
Totally agree! I have driven it in a Golf IV estate - it was a 110 or 115ps version). You really have to be carefull it is allways in its power band - it is either all or nothing. Very economical and very noisy!
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My neighbour have a diesel passat really economical..
But when the temperatures drop to -15 C.. I start to have a smile in my face ;D
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ive also driven a golf GT TDi 130 and they are a rocket! until you hit 5th :(
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ive also driven a golf GT TDi 130 and they are a rocket! until you hit 5th :(
had to drive one down to southampton and back to get some bits for work - i think i left it in 4th all the way ::)
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i love my v6 but am really really considering a Td next - how do they compare to modern diesels? i just love the torque on our company passat, the fact that you can really shift without to much effort is what is swaying me - torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking :-/
I detest that vag 1.9 diesel with a passion, but on its narrow power band, it can accelerate (in 130bhp form, or higher ;))
The VAG is more economical, but much smaller, lighter car
well IMHO the VAG tdgti130 and above are fantastic engines an absolute pleasure to drive :-*
and i appreciate the bargeness of a mig (i've had mine 5 years now ;))
and obviously would get it chipped :)
Chip 'em to about 140ish, and they start to smoke too bad for MOT. Chip 'em beyond 170ish, and the drive train melts...
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To comment on ths:
torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking
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Sure, but I think GM exagerated the problem even more with galactic gear ratios. I find 2.5 V6 gutless when I drive on Swiss motorways where you don't dare to venture over 130kmph. Unless you are crazy enough not to use top 2 gears! Once I am across the border, in direction towards Karlsruhe, the car becomes responsive at speeds over 160kmph. It is efortless between 160 and 200kmph - resposive under right foot but rock stable otherwise.
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my 3.0 has bags of tourqe Jake must be that slushbox eating all the tourqes away
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my 3.0 has bags of tourqe Jake must be that slushbox eating all the tourqes away
you've hit the nail on the head i think Tom, slush box = missing torque.
i'll have to try you mv6 out ;)
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when its fixed you can have ago!
its abit sick atm needs exhaust redoing and the rocker covers!! some nice jobs for me in the next few weeks
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To comment on ths: torque on v6 seems to be somewhat lacking
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Sure, but I think GM exagerated the problem even more with galactic gear ratios. I find 2.5 V6 gutless when I drive on Swiss motorways where you don't dare to venture over 130kmph. Unless you are crazy enough not to use top 2 gears! Once I am across the border, in direction towards Karlsruhe, the car becomes responsive at speeds over 160kmph. It is efortless between 160 and 200kmph - resposive under right foot but rock stable otherwise.
yep..as mine is auto I feel acceleration after 80 km/hr as it locks.. :P
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Ive started somthing off here havent i ??
but at least ive got an answer to my question
Ultimatly petrol and diesel cars have come along way each to there own there are no winners
i allways wanted an omega & now ive got 1 at last i find it a good looking car comfy well put together good smilles to the gallon & that ll do for me
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yo i've got a manuel 2.5td elite estate and love it it's been well looked after and never thrashed for the 119.000 miles it has done, dont know about the 1st 6000 cause it was owned by a chief exec of vaux. It seems pretty quick to me but would like to chip it, how much is it likely to cost?
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i think if GM had of fitted the 3.0 V6 CDTi to the late omega's instead of the 2.2DTi then that would be a serious speed machine! problably quicker than a 3.2 V6 Petrol lol that 3.0 v6 is pushing 400+nm tourqes!
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....... If I could get a 2.5TD manual Elite saloon, ......
Mines manual and to elite spec now baring the rear view mirror :P
Having had a fair share of V6's and ran a diesel for the last few months I'd have another diesel tomorrow over a v6. The only thing I miss is the sound and initial speed, everything else it does as well or better than the v6.
As a tow car the diesel is better, more economical and as a general cruiser I'll happily sit and do 500+ mile jouneys in it no bother.
From a maintenance point of view both engines have problems, but what dont?
My td has done 30k miles in 7ish months, its had new leak off pipes and an injector, it needs the exhaust gasket doing and its had a clutch.
It does get serviced every month at the stealers as well!
In my mind its a good car taking into account the use it gets, towing the pikey palace or car trailer, or ask Ian, I can get it wound up pretty quickly!
I've just accepted a job where I'll be doing 80 miles a day, at least I'll have a comfy ride home, and its cheaper than the peasant carridge!
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must admt its a shame most TD are gls spec but they are so easy to upgrade it doesent really matter, and the td definetly wins ofr economy and torque and maintenance in my book!!!!
although as mentioned before i am looking to get a newer one trouble is mine has only 120k on it now and needs nothing apart from a bit of paint here and there maybe i just ought to keep it!!!!
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I know im biased cause i hate the rather V6!! BEcause of years and years with the straight six 24v , BUT
The diesel mig is a hell of a tool really and a chipped one has around 325torques which is what gets you going yes i admit it isnt a racing car but its plenty fast enough to drive clear across Spain in 10hours!!
bit i digress, where the diesel scores for me is the following
MPG always averages high 40,s and often more with a bit of care!
servicing yes i know 3.5k oil changes are a pain for high milers but they only take ten mins to do, ;D
and you dont have to change the rubberbelt (kevlar reinforced but still break or the tensioner lets go)
air filter and fuel filter once a year and thats it!
no plugs to change, ;D no camcover leaks ;D no dis pack letting you down ;D no cranksensor dying at inopportune moments, ;Dno cam sensor deciding it dont want to work anymore ;D no oil cooler filling the cooling system with mayonaise ;D and so on and so on, I know a lot of you love your V6,s but its just so high maintenance for what it is?!!
JM2PW :y
Shite viscous fan, and the pointless viscous fan, not forgettign that stupid viscous fan.
That aside, very weak waterpump, awkward glow plugs, problematic stats, cooling system that sludges the rad up, lift pump issues, code 64 FIP issues, rather heavy lump making the car handle very 'pointy'. Oh, and did I mention that rather viscous fan!
All that said, I miss Project TB2/Tractor :'(
No mention of the auto boxes ::)
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Problem=Can't decide between petrol v6 or diesel straight 6.
Solution=Buy a petrol v8 :P
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i think if GM had of fitted the 3.0 V6 CDTi to the late omega's instead of the 2.2DTi then that would be a serious speed machine! problably quicker than a 3.2 V6 Petrol lol that 3.0 v6 is pushing 400+nm tourqes!
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OK its only a months love affair but... I love my tractor.
Needs chipping though, I assume that will add a bit of grunt for the take-off? :D
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OK its only a months love affair but... I love my tractor.
Needs chipping though, I assume that will add a bit of grunt for the take-off? :D
I wouldn't bother if its an auto unless you like changing gearboxes ::)
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yep EP is right unfortunatly the TD doesnt have a good autobox you have to swap the TD oone for an AR-35 found in 3.0/3.2s
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A neighbour has a Diesel Passat and it rattles like noones business.
Another has a new Mondeo Diseasel and he was parked about 40 foot from me one morning with it idling and I couldn't hear my V6 over the clatter, and I was sitting in my car.
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Having been the proud(ish) owner of a 2.5TD for the last couple of months, I think the engine is reasonably good, but I don't think it does it many favours being coupled to an automatic gearbox. (Does an auto box improve any engine???) I'm quite capable of handling the different power/torque characteristics of a diesel engine, being an ex-lorry driver, but I'm not convinced the gearbox knows how to do it.
The auto box makes town driving dead easy, true - no fun, but dead easy, you just point and press. Having done the run to/from my Dad's three times now, though (160 miles each way on the M5), I seem to find that at lower motorway speeds I'm working quite hard to keep the speed up, then once it hits 75 it seems to get the idea and I have to work to keep the speed down. (Don't mention cruise control, I hate it with almost the same passion that I hate speed limiters on lorries, but at least I get to choose whether to put the cruise control on, ie never.) I thought I'd got used to the Omega, and was actually starting to enjoy owning it, but on the way down to my Dad's on Friday, out of nowhere I suddenly started to wish I was driving something else. For one thing I wish Vx had spent less money on electronic toys and had fitted springs between the roadwheels and my arse instead.
Maybe the petrols are different, maybe the manuals are different, but there's something about this car I don't like. It looks beautiful, it's a nice motor to be seen in, it's luxurious inside, it's comfortable to sit in, it has lots of high-end gadgets in it, and I think the fuel consumption is very acceptable, it's a beautiful car right up until the moment I start to drive it, and then something goes wrong somewhere.
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Problem=Can't decide between petrol v6 or diesel straight 6.
Petrol V6 is best - especially when it has a Granada round it! ;D
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Problem=Can't decide between petrol v6 or diesel straight 6.
Petrol V6 is best - especially when it has a Granada round it! ;D
Cant speak for the Granada but I had one of those Scorpio Ultima V6 Cosworth things, They made a nice noise.
Think my old Chipped BM 325 TD would have left it standing though.
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Problem=Can't decide between petrol v6 or diesel straight 6.
Straight 6 diesel is okay - as long as it has a Scania round it! 12 litres, 480hp - lovely... ;D
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Im lucky to have both but I cant decide which one to keep and which one has to go! I have only driven it around our country lanes but off round the M25 tomorrow so will have a better idea how to compare to the petrol. The only chip mine has is on a Saturday night back from the takeaway ;D ;D The diesel has been very easy to work on for a complete novice but not sure I can live with the noise. Maybe after a fe more oil changes it will quieten down???When I drive the petrol I keep thinking its died at the junctions because its so quiet :D :D :D I love driving these cars and after driving cars for Audi I love it even more!!!!!
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off round the M25 tomorrow
Well, you should get plenty of opportunity to test its acceleration from nought to six... I'll lend you my automatic if you like, save the wear on your left leg! :D
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A neighbour has a Diesel Passat and it rattles like noones business.
Another has a new Mondeo Diseasel and he was parked about 40 foot from me one morning with it idling and I couldn't hear my V6 over the clatter, and I was sitting in my car.
;D diesels as usual :y
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There's a reason why diesels always knock on tickover, and I think it's something to do with the fact that whereas petrol engines reduce the amount of air entering the cylinders as well as reducing the amount of fuel, diesels always draw in the same amount of air regardless of the throttle setting (they have to, otherwise at low throttle settings they'd draw in so little air they wouldn't compress it enough to make the air hot enough to ignite the diesel). This means that on low throttle, or tickover, diesels are running extremely weak, and I think that's got something to do with the knock.
The knocking sound is produced in the combustion chamber by the burning fuel/air mixture, anyway, it's not because the diesel engine is mechanically rattly. Manufacturers can do things to reduce the knock, (or fit loads of soundproofing so you just can't hear it!) but it's inherent in the way diesel engines work.
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Having been the proud(ish) owner of a 2.5TD for the last couple of months, I think the engine is reasonably good, but I don't think it does it many favours being coupled to an automatic gearbox. (Does an auto box improve any engine???) I'm quite capable of handling the different power/torque characteristics of a diesel engine, being an ex-lorry driver, but I'm not convinced the gearbox knows how to do it.
The auto box makes town driving dead easy, true - no fun, but dead easy, you just point and press. Having done the run to/from my Dad's three times now, though (160 miles each way on the M5), I seem to find that at lower motorway speeds I'm working quite hard to keep the speed up, then once it hits 75 it seems to get the idea and I have to work to keep the speed down. (Don't mention cruise control, I hate it with almost the same passion that I hate speed limiters on lorries, but at least I get to choose whether to put the cruise control on, ie never.) I thought I'd got used to the Omega, and was actually starting to enjoy owning it, but on the way down to my Dad's on Friday, out of nowhere I suddenly started to wish I was driving something else. For one thing I wish Vx had spent less money on electronic toys and had fitted springs between the roadwheels and my arse instead.
Maybe the petrols are different, maybe the manuals are different, but there's something about this car I don't like. It looks beautiful, it's a nice motor to be seen in, it's luxurious inside, it's comfortable to sit in, it has lots of high-end gadgets in it, and I think the fuel consumption is very acceptable, it's a beautiful car right up until the moment I start to drive it, and then something goes wrong somewhere.
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REALLYN THINK YOU HAVE ANSWERED IT YOURSELF BUD, ITS OBVIOUS YOU DONT ENJOY THE AUTOSLUDGEPUMP EXPERIENCE!! HAD MINE A GOOD FEW YEARS NOW AND WHEN I FIRTS GOT IT I WONDERED WHAT I HAD BOUGHT!!! ONCE IT WAS CHIPPED THOUGH IT ALL CAME TOGETHER AND THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE BECAME MUSCH MUCH IMPROVED, THE MANUAL IS A DELIGHT TO USE AND WITH THE TD BEING SO TORQUEY ITS ALMOST LIKE HAVE AN AUTO AS YOU TEND TO JUST NOT CHANGE GEAR!!!
'dangle berries' didnt realise caps lock was on sorry guys!!! :y
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off round the M25 tomorrow
Well, you should get plenty of opportunity to test its acceleration from nought to six... I'll lend you my automatic if you like, save the wear on your left leg! :D
Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D
Daft question no ? do you drive a diesel any different than a petrol? what is all this talk of chips? Im feeling left out :( as I doubt Syd is chipped?
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off round the M25 tomorrow
Well, you should get plenty of opportunity to test its acceleration from nought to six... I'll lend you my automatic if you like, save the wear on your left leg! :D
Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D
Daft question no ? do you drive a diesel any different than a petrol? what is all this talk of chips? Im feeling left out :( as I doubt Syd is chipped?
Chipping a Mig adds about 30bhp and makes a big difference :y
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D
Daft question no ? do you drive a diesel any different than a petrol?
I know what you mean - I'm having some difficulty getting used to an auto after 30 years of manuals in everything from Mini vans to 38-ton artics. After all my years of advanced training, HGV licence, and experience of dozens of different vehicles over hundreds of thousands of miles, I seem to have handed control of gear changes over to my four year old grandson.
Basically driving a diesel is exactly the same as driving a petrol except that the diesel engine produces its power over a smaller rev range than a petrol. My tractor goes into the red at about 5,000 rpm, whereas I think the petrol ones redline at about 7,500. This came as a surprise to me actually, lorries usually rev much more slowly - some of the ones I've driven have been in the red at about 1,800 rpm. (That's why they give you sixteen gears!) Just listen to the engine as you're driving, if it seems to be labouring change down, if it's getting towards the red line change up. You'll get used to it almost without realising it.
what is all this talk of chips? Im feeling left out :( as I doubt Syd is chipped?
Your engine is controlled by the Engine Management System, which is basically a computer. This computer has in it a memory chip which tells it how to make the engine respond to different combinations of speed, throttle setting, load, etc. When they refer to 'chipping' a car they mean taking that memory chip out and throwing it away, and fitting a different memory chip which tells the EMS to respond in a different way. This different response is usually intended to give you more power. It's unlikely that SYD has been chipped. I'm pretty sure mine hasn't either, and I don't intend to do it because i've read elsewhere on this forum that the auto box can't cope with the extra power from a chipped engine, and I've got better things to do with my time than replace the gearbox every time the souped-up engine rips it apart! :o
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i want to do mine (manuel) so anyone else got a spare chip as this one sounds as if it's sold
Is this in the wrong place now i'm confused!
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 feet .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 feet .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
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Technicaly it should be 1 foot. With an auto the left foot should not be used at all. :y
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 feet .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
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I'm driving along, and want to go a little bit faster. Here's the sequence of events in a manual car:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Car speeds up slightly.
Here's the sequence of events in an automatic:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Nothing happens.
3. Press pedal down a bit further.
4. Gearbox makes jerky downshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers. Engine goes faster, car doesn't.
5. Press pedal down a bit further.
6. Car takes off like scalded cat, with engine screaming, alarming horses and small children.
7. Brake back down to desired speed.
8. Gearbox makes jerky upshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers.
Incidentally, there's also no engine braking in an automatic - as soon as you come off the accelerator the (diesel) engine drops to 800rpm and the car coasts, so you have to brake, whereas in a manual car you can finely regulate the speed by using the accelerator.
I suspect that it's this lack of direct control which I don't like about the car - I'm not in control of it, and at some deep psychological level I think that worries me.
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 legs .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
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That explains why I want a manual ;D
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TD chip - adds a reasonable bit of power (and mpg, so double whammy :D), but for me, it was the increased 'drivability' that made it so worthwhile.
The guy who provided my chip, and Omegatoy's chip, asks £70 delivered from memory.
If you are interested and have a manual or a AR35 auto, PM either me or Omegatoy and we will forward your details
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TD chip - adds a reasonable bit of power (and mpg, so double whammy :D), but for me, it was the increased 'drivability' that made it so worthwhile.
The guy who provided my chip, and Omegatoy's chip, asks £70 delivered from memory.
If you are interested and have a manual or a AR35 auto, PM either me or Omegatoy and we will forward your details
anyone mentioned that chipping T(ur)D with an ar25 auto will almost certainly destroy the box,sorry couldnt be bothered to read the whole thread... ::) ;) :)
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TD chip - adds a reasonable bit of power (and mpg, so double whammy :D), but for me, it was the increased 'drivability' that made it so worthwhile.
The guy who provided my chip, and Omegatoy's chip, asks £70 delivered from memory.
If you are interested and have a manual or a AR35 auto, PM either me or Omegatoy and we will forward your details
anyone mentioned that chipping T(ur (I'm just lazy, can't be bothered to type 'you are'))D with an ar25 auto will almost certainly destroy the box,sorry couldnt be bothered to read the whole thread... ::) ;) :)
;D ;D ;Dok ill be lazy and write TurD instead ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 feet .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
:y :y :y
I'm driving along, and want to go a little bit faster. Here's the sequence of events in a manual car:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Car speeds up slightly.
Here's the sequence of events in an automatic:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Nothing happens.
3. Press pedal down a bit further.
4. Gearbox makes jerky downshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers. Engine goes faster, car doesn't.
5. Press pedal down a bit further.
6. Car takes off like scalded cat, with engine screaming, alarming horses and small children.
7. Brake back down to desired speed.
8. Gearbox makes jerky upshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers.
Incidentally, there's also no engine braking in an automatic - as soon as you come off the accelerator the (diesel) engine drops to 800rpm and the car coasts, so you have to brake, whereas in a manual car you can finely regulate the speed by using the accelerator.
I suspect that it's this lack of direct control which I don't like about the car - I'm not in control of it, and at some deep psychological level I think that worries me.
spot on ;)
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Thanks but Im a manual girl, I like to feel in control :D :D :D ......
terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired! ;) ;)
2 feet .... 2 pedals. How can you be in any more control when there's another pedal? In an auto one pedal makes it go faster and t'other makes it go slower, how much control do you need over a car??? :-/ :-/
:y :y :y
I'm driving along, and want to go a little bit faster. Here's the sequence of events in a manual car:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Car speeds up slightly.
Here's the sequence of events in an automatic:
1. Press pedal down slightly.
2. Nothing happens.
3. Press pedal down a bit further.
4. Gearbox makes jerky downshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers. Engine goes faster, car doesn't.
5. Press pedal down a bit further.
6. Car takes off like scalded cat, with engine screaming, alarming horses and small children.
7. Brake back down to desired speed.
8. Gearbox makes jerky upshift, to discomfort of driver and any passengers.
Incidentally, there's also no engine braking in an automatic - as soon as you come off the accelerator the (diesel) engine drops to 800rpm and the car coasts, so you have to brake, whereas in a manual car you can finely regulate the speed by using the accelerator.
I suspect that it's this lack of direct control which I don't like about the car - I'm not in control of it, and at some deep psychological level I think that worries me.
spot on ;)
That saves me trying to explain why im a manual lover :y :y :y
After my trip round the M25 and the fuel needle not moving I can live with the tractor noise and I think Syd is getting quieter it ;D ;D ;D not happy with no cd controls on the steering wheel and no built in phone :( Pete gets points for toys !!! so still not sure which one to rehome?
If Syd stays I want a chip thingy :D :D :D :D :D
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OK its only a months love affair but... I love my tractor.
Needs chipping though, I assume that will add a bit of grunt for the take-off? :D
I wouldn't bother if its an auto unless you like changing gearboxes ::)
I hate autos. Its a manual ;D After a further week Im finding it will cope happily with almost any gradient in 4th even at lower revs, its fairly quick to pickup revs also. We have some big hills near here coming out of Exeter that sort out the men from the 997cc wimps..........
I fear my '97 will have the soldered in ecu chip tho' so it may be too much hassle.