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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STMO123 on 21 November 2007, 22:40:52
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...at night. If you have an accident and are taken to hospital, you will die. If you intend having a life-threatening accident, please do so between the hours of 0900 and 1900. I thank you.
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Unbelievable. >:(
Where have all the billions upon billions that have been thrown into the NHS gone? :o :o >:( >:(
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Well they've got a lot of managers now and you know how much they cost.
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I believe 40 million went to Northern Rock.
2 16 year olds will also be getting some of our Hospital money.
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I believe 40 million went to Northern Rock.
2 16 year olds will also be getting some of our Hospital money.
Billion :o
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Unbelievable. >:(
Where have all the billions upon billions that have been thrown into the NHS gone? :o :o >:( >:(
Massive pay rises, new buildings, company cars (my neighbour has an A4 convertible on the NHS).........nothing on the care though.
I always said, you do NOT pile money into an in-efficient setup because it will just absorb it and become more in-efficient, you have to get it working effectively before you invest.
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plus count the cost when somebugga gets hold of those discs they`ve lost :o :o
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Unbelievable. >:(
Where have all the billions upon billions that have been thrown into the NHS gone? :o :o >:( >:(
Massive pay rises, new buildings, company cars (my neighbour has an A4 convertible on the NHS).........nothing on the care though.
I always said, you do NOT pile money into an in-efficient setup because it will just absorb it and become more in-efficient, you have to get it working effectively before you invest.
Why don't they improve efficiency then?
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Unbelievable. >:(
Where have all the billions upon billions that have been thrown into the NHS gone? :o :o >:( >:(
Massive pay rises, new buildings, company cars (my neighbour has an A4 convertible on the NHS).........nothing on the care though.
I always said, you do NOT pile money into an in-efficient setup because it will just absorb it and become more in-efficient, you have to get it working effectively before you invest.
Why don't they improve efficiency then?
Once you've put in place your huge management structure they get uncomfortable because they don't understand the work that the organisation does so they employ all the nurses, doctors and surgeons in generating pretty graphs and statistics that they can understand and, more importantly, they can manipulate to prove that everything smells of roses. So, efficiency is improved. Just look at the statistics! People don't seem to be getting better but we'll brush that inconvenient truth under the carpet. >:(
Kevin
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How close to the truth could they have realy got.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyf97LAjjcY
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;D
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Thank god its National Health though, or we would all be paying a lot more for treatment, we will miss a good thing when its gone, we will all be paying the rip off insurance companies for our health cover.
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Thank god its National Health though, or we would all be paying a lot more for treatment, we will miss a good thing when its gone, we will all be paying the rip off insurance companies for our health cover.
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yeah but you only get what u pay for, and with the NHS u get to wait for 5 hours then theyre even nice enough to give u a free pressy! anyone want some mrsa? i cant wait until i walk into a hospital and get treatment instead of sent home with a stupiud little brace, then having to make an appointment for 2 weeks time for someone to then tell me "oh, it is actually broke" NO SH!T SHERLOCK! if it only happened once then yeah that would be ok(ish) but the fact it has happend 4 out of the 5 times ive been is just taking the mick!
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Thank god its National Health though, or we would all be paying a lot more for treatment, we will miss a good thing when its gone, we will all be paying the rip off insurance companies for our health cover.
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yeah but you only get what u pay for, and with the NHS u get to wait for 5 hours then theyre even nice enough to give u a free pressy! anyone want some mrsa? i cant wait until i walk into a hospital and get treatment instead of sent home with a stupiud little brace, then having to make an appointment for 2 weeks time for someone to then tell me "oh, it is actually broke" NO SH!T SHERLOCK! if it only happened once then yeah that would be ok(ish) but the fact it has happend 4 out of the 5 times ive been is just taking the mick!
And imagine what your insurance premiums would be, and remember, not everyone can afford to pay for treatment.
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I suspect that none of you REALY know how much you are actualy paying for the NHS.
Approx 20% of the governments spend is on the NHS.
In the UK, the average person pays just over 50% of thier income in tax in the form of VAT, Council Tax, Income tax, national insurance, road tax, fuel tax etc etc....
So 10% of your income is used to pay for your health provision....still a bargain?
I refer to them as the National Health now, the service was forgotten about years ago.
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I suspect that none of you REALY know how much you are actualy paying for the NHS.
Approx 20% of the governments spend is on the NHS.
In the UK, the average person pays just over 50% of thier income in tax in the form of VAT, Council Tax, Income tax, national insurance, road tax, fuel tax etc etc....
So 10% of your income is used to pay for your health provision....still a bargain?
I refer to them as the National Health now, the service was forgotten about years ago.
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To me its not.....the service is poor and the comms is dreadful. The doctors are lacking the basic diagnostic skills and the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing (hence why results are forever being lost and the wrong instructions given).
E.g. My little 3 year old needed a blood test, for this he had to go to the main hospital in Nottingham, we were give the forms etc and off we went. When we arrived we were asked if we had put the cream on his arm that the doctor had given us (required to bring the veins up in a young childs arm), we said no, we hadn't been given any cream, Ow you would have been, its on prescription...(my comment is not repeatable).
So, blood sample was eventualy taken.
Phone up the GP 2 days later, the results have been lost....
Ok, can we have a prescription for the required cream and some ne forms....what cream was the replay.....again, my comment is not repeatable.
And I wont go into how my father in law was treated during his last few weeks in Leicester Glenfield.
Incompitence!
I want to be treated like a customer, not an inconvenience.
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To me its not.....the service is poor and the comms is dreadful. The doctors are lacking the basic diagnostic skills and the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing (hence why results are forever being lost and the wrong instructions given).
E.g. My little 3 year old needed a blood test, for this he had to go to the main hospital in Nottingham, we were give the forms etc and off we went. When we arrived we were asked if we had put the cream on his arm that the doctor had given us (required to bring the veins up in a young childs arm), we said no, we hadn't been given any cream, Ow you would have been, its on prescription...(my comment is not repeatable).
So, blood sample was eventualy taken.
Phone up the GP 2 days later, the results have been lost....
Ok, can we have a prescription for the required cream and some ne forms....what cream was the replay.....again, my comment is not repeatable.
And I wont go into how my father in law was treated during his last few weeks in Leicester Glenfield.
Incompitence!
I want to be treated like a customer, not an inconvenience.
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I'm not sure I object to the cost. I personally probably don't get value for money out of the NHS but there are others who are much more expensive to keep healthy than I, and I like to live in a society where they get the basics of what they need rather than get left to rot because they can't pay the insurance premiums or are simply uninsurable.
The problem I have is that the rate of change of cost is currently a positive number and the rate of change of quality is a negative number. That rings alarm bells with me - as an unsustainable situation and something that will eventually implode. And yet the government pour more money in and meddle with insignificant details, hoping for a result...
Kevin
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I'm not sure I object to the cost. I personally probably don't get value for money out of the NHS but there are others who are much more expensive to keep healthy than I, and I like to live in a society where they get the basics of what they need rather than get left to rot because they can't pay the insurance premiums or are simply uninsurable.
The problem I have is that the rate of change of cost is currently a positive number and the rate of change of quality is a negative number. That rings alarm bells with me - as an unsustainable situation and something that will eventually implode. And yet the government pour more money in and meddle with insignificant details, hoping for a result...
Kevin
No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.
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No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.
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Don't! The one thing I despise more than paying taxes. Paying insurance companies >:(
Kevin
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No doubt we will all be paying in a few years when the NHS goes to private, and it will happen, they cannot keep pouring money into it.
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Don't! The one thing I despise more than paying taxes. Paying insurance companies >:(
Kevin
Same here, i sat down last week and went through all the insurances i pay and it is astounding what it comes to, thats before i start to pay for other items.
>:( >:(
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The real problem is that the NHS has been used as a political football for years. It's frankly a bloated, inefficient excuse for an organisation. That doesn't mean it couldn't work, however. A free and efficient NHS is possible, but you need to adopt some private sector common sense and that means demolishing its structure and starting again. This time the foundations should be on frontline medical care with administrators only recruited where they are necessary and at salaries that can be afforded. Of course, that also means looking at the role of GPs, whose average salary is now £110k p.a. Funny that they can't even make out of hours home visits these days. Too busy on the phone to their stockbrokers or polishing their Jags, methinks. >:( >:(
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The real problem is that the NHS has been used as a political football for years. It's frankly a bloated, inefficient excuse for an organisation. That doesn't mean it couldn't work, however. A free and efficient NHS is possible, but you need to adopt some private sector common sense and that means demolishing its structure and starting again. This time the foundations should be on frontline medical care with administrators only recruited where they are necessary and at salaries that can be afforded. Of course, that also means looking at the role of GPs, whose average salary is now £110k p.a. Funny that they can't even make out of hours home visits these days. Too busy on the phone to their stockbrokers or polishing their Jags, methinks. >:( >:(
I think £50,000 would be enough for most GPs
£110,000 is a fortune!
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There never has been and never will be such thing as a free health service.....
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.. and that's the AVERAGE?
Granted, it's a long slog to get qualified, and you do need a lot of skills outside medical knowledge. Not sure how I could cope with consulting with maybe a dozen people who are a pain in the @rse, a dozen who are convinced they are dying when perfectly OK, and then maybe one who really is dying.
.. but that is a lot of money from the public purse. On a par with most senior ministers I guess (although they've got their fingers in all sorts of other tills).
Kevin
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Well i thought that the System over here was bad, but after reading this lot i am glad that i am here, although saying that, nearly 65% of all new Doctors are wanting to go to the UK as the pay is 3 Times that what they would get here :o :o :o
Perhaps they(The Government) should consider a general review of pay and Service :-? :-?
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There never has been and never will be such thing as a free health service.....
Agree, not free, but a dam site cheaper than medical insurance, which in my opinion we will all need before long.
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