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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: cockyt1 on 02 May 2009, 14:56:35
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hi all wat does fuel quantity out of range mean its code64 on 2.5 td and how do i fix :y :y :y
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The boy, on here will tell you what it means, but i dont think you want to know. Does your management come on going into or out of second gear.
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yes why????tell me please
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I think the first port of call is to do the diesel magic trick,take fuel filter off and fill with neat diesel magic.
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I think it means problems with temp sensor/hp pump. Double the value of your car.
But if it runs fine ignore it.
Does it start bad when hot? :(
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I think it means problems with temp sensor/hp pump. Double the value of your car.
But if it runs fine ignore it.
Does it start bad when hot? :(
Had this on mine - the dreaded '64'. Basically, the injection pump was naffed.
It ran like this for about 6 months though, before finally failing on me. I tried everything possible, including following the sound advice of fellow OOFers, and a new pump was eventually fitted at a cost of just over 1200 quid.
If you're also having warm-start problems, try pouring a kettle full of cold water over the pump when it's hot. If it then starts reasonably well, you've confirmed the problem. 'Omegatoy' is very knowledgeable on this very issue - hopefully he'll be along soon.
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no wen warm seems to be ok
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Im worried now :( Syd is still playing up sometimes and has the above syptoms. The 64 code had cleared but just checked and its back :o where is the injection pump so next I can do the cold water thing next time it doesnt turn over.
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pretty sure its the peitzo lead on the middle injector will cause this but can also be the pump, first thing is diesel magic trick as already suggested, this wll give everything a damn good flush out and certainly help, have had one car where i had to do the magic treatment 4 times but it was a range rovertd :-/ that had not been serviieced for 2 years and had been running on used veg oil, got it in the end tho!!! :y
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Im worried now :( Syd is still playing up sometimes and has the above syptoms. The 64 code had cleared but just checked and its back :o where is the injection pump so next I can do the cold water thing next time it doesnt turn over.
It's behind the timing case, nearside of engine, below the EGR valve.
You can't miss it - six injector pipes connect it to the injectors!
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pretty sure its the peitzo lead on the middle injector will cause this but can also be the pump, first thing is diesel magic trick as already suggested, this wll give everything a damn good flush out and certainly help, have had one car where i had to do the magic treatment 4 times but it was a range rovertd :-/ that had not been serviieced for 2 years and had been running on used veg oil, got it in the end tho!!! :y
I forgot about the No.4 injector, even though I've had mine done at about 250 quid. Might be worth checking though.
This injector incorporates the 'start of injection' sensor, but mine threw-up, (IIRC), the 81 code when it played up, with the EML continuously on, and a REAL loss of power apparent.
That said, with the pump and No4 injector changed, TB and Marks DTM then chipped it.
I've not looked back - damn flying-machine now!
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hi i have a bottle of liqui moly diesel purge but wat is correct procedure for cleaning injector pump ????? :-/ :-/
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anyone??wats the correct procedure for doing the diesel magic trick on fuel filter and wud liqui moly diesel purge be ok 2 use???
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Not sure about the 'liquid moly' but fill the filter with Diesel Magic, then run the car around for a day or two.
See what happens then - you never know, it might just do the trick!
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Syd has been running ok for days but now playing up again, got stuck at petrol station today :( after a while I got him going :) once back home it wouldnt turn over so poured water over injection pump and after a bit it did turn over. So not sure if the water did it or it was the same as at petrol staion???? I did notice that when it doesnt start I cant hear the diesel pump in the rear. Does the injection pump have an effect on this? I will put the diesel magic in later today and see if the 64 code goes again. Sorry cockyt1 for keep using your thread but sounds a if we have the same problem :( :( :(
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anyone??wats the correct procedure for doing the diesel magic trick on fuel filter and wud liqui moly diesel purge be ok 2 use???[/quote]
you may find it helpful to read Re: 2.5TD poor starting or just put Syd into search the guys here talked me through the filter thing, hope that helps :) it did me :D :D :D :D
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Syd has been running ok for days but now playing up again, got stuck at petrol station today :( after a while I got him going :) once back home it wouldnt turn over so poured water over injection pump and after a bit it did turn over. So not sure if the water did it or it was the same as at petrol staion???? I did notice that when it doesnt start I cant hear the diesel pump in the rear. Does the injection pump have an effect on this? I will put the diesel magic in later today and see if the 64 code goes again. Sorry cockyt1 for keep using your thread but sounds a if we have the same problem :( :( :(
Do you mean it wouldn't fire-up when you say 'wouldn't turn over'?
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:y :y :y :y :yright eveybody u wont believe it but i used liqui moly diesel purge this is the heavy duty cleaner for lorries and buses,removed diesel filter and filled with l moly and run thru at different revs for 20 mins then took for a quik 10 mile sprint and no problems whatsoever also seems a lot livlier :y :y :ybig thanx to u all hope this helps sum1 else
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hey ali perhaps u shud try the liqui moly instead of diesel magic??
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Syd has been running ok for days but now playing up again, got stuck at petrol station today :( after a while I got him going :) once back home it wouldnt turn over so poured water over injection pump and after a bit it did turn over. So not sure if the water did it or it was the same as at petrol staion???? I did notice that when it doesnt start I cant hear the diesel pump in the rear. Does the injection pump have an effect on this? I will put the diesel magic in later today and see if the 64 code goes again. Sorry cockyt1 for keep using your thread but sounds a if we have the same problem :( :( :(
Do you mean it wouldn't fire-up when you say 'wouldn't turn over'?
Yes it wouldnt fire up, worried about flattening the battery again so only give short bursts. Off out in it now as its starting everytime at the moment but not going to turn it off while Im out just in case!
Will do the magic diesel when Im back home.
Pleased your have yours sorted cockyt1 ;) ;) hope it stays ok and doesnt fail agan as mine did :( :(
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My warm-start problem was cured by fitting a good quality new battery of the correct spec for a 2.5TD.
This was done as a last-ditch bid to cure this common fault - I'd just shelled out nearly 1500 quid on a new injection pump and No4 injector! In short, if your battery is not absolutely positively 100%, it's worth looking into - it worked, (and still does so), on mine.
By the way, the in-tank pump only runs for a short while. It pressurizes the fuel system before the injection pump takes over.
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I have just put the diesel magic in the filter and gone for a quick drive. Its starting first time, straight away and the 64 code has cleared again :) hope it doesnt come back again but will know for sure tomorrow when I drive it into town. Will do the magic again as suggested if it does, I never changed the filter, should I? I have put the vx battery from Pete on to Syd as it did have a cheap one when I got it. As for the pump I know from previous posting it only runs for a short time but Im sure a couple of times it hasnt started up. There again I have put the boot liner backin so may not hear it any way ;D ;D
At least cockyt1 and I are happier than we were this morning :y
Look out for my next questions as I have a few more jobs to do on Pete and Syd :D :D :D
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yeah ali much happier :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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I have just put the diesel magic in the filter and gone for a quick drive. Its starting first time, straight away and the 64 code has cleared again :) hope it doesnt come back again but will know for sure tomorrow when I drive it into town. Will do the magic again as suggested if it does, I never changed the filter, should I? I have put the vx battery from Pete on to Syd as it did have a cheap one when I got it. As for the pump I know from previous posting it only runs for a short time but Im sure a couple of times it hasnt started up. There again I have put the boot liner backin so may not hear it any way ;D ;D
At least cockyt1 and I are happier than we were this morning :y
Look out for my next questions as I have a few more jobs to do on Pete and Syd :D :D :D
Ali, regarding the battery: I'm not sure if the one you've now fitted is the correct spec for the 2.5TD.
Any half-decent supplier should be able to confirm this either way - or you could try a post here!
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ok thanks I will post the question :y
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i would recommend a filter full of diesel magic every 6 months or so to keep the 64 at bay. If it keeps coming back, and power loss changing gear, its likely a new pump.
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code 64 is back :'( :'( :'( :'( and not easy to start. Turns over but doesnt fire up straight away. No loss of power in fact im amazed on how quick it goes :o Compared to when I got it a few weeks ago its running really well and the smoke on start up has gone. This car had sat still for at least 6 months before I got it and only done 2000 miles in last 3-4 years! Ive done 500 miles in it already ;D ;D ;D I will try the diesel magic again and also Should the glow light plug come on every time I turn the ignition on?
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yes it shud unless the engines warm pity to hear code 64 is back but if car is driving ok it mite need the codes clearing ??mines still shows 64 although alls well
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according to the tradeclub book the tractor requires a ...... 85 amp hr GM P/N gm85-t7 93176584
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according to the tradeclub book the tractor requires a ...... 85 amp hr GM P/N gm85-t7 93176584
A what????? sorry youve lost me :D :D :D :D are we talking batteries now?
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yes i just posted the part number & ampage of the one vauxhall recommend in there Tradeclub book
i would quote the price but litlle'n has decided i dont need the battery prices page :y
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yes it shud unless the engines warm pity to hear code 64 is back but if car is driving ok it mite need the codes clearing ??mines still shows 64 although alls well
My code keeps clearing until I have problems starting again then it comes back, once its driving no problem. Good excuse to go through mc donalds drive in, so I dont turn off engine ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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yes i just posted the part number & ampage of the one vauxhall recommend in there Tradeclub book
i would quote the price but litlle'n has decided i dont need the battery prices page :y
Ok thanks will go and have a look at both Batteries, your little one is just trying to save me from the shock of how much more I have to spend on Syd ;) ;)
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I paid 67 quid for the correct spec battery for mine.
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I paid 67 quid for the correct spec battery for mine.
Mine was about that price courtesy of the AA man who used his Trade Card at Halfords on my behalf when the 56AH battery that had been fitted by a VX dealer gave up the ghost!
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code 64 is back :'( :'( :'( :'( and not easy to start. Turns over but doesnt fire up straight away. No loss of power in fact im amazed on how quick it goes :o Compared to when I got it a few weeks ago its running really well and the smoke on start up has gone. This car had sat still for at least 6 months before I got it and only done 2000 miles in last 3-4 years! Ive done 500 miles in it already ;D ;D ;D I will try the diesel magic again and also Should the glow light plug come on every time I turn the ignition on?
Glow-plug light does not come on when the engine's warmed-up.
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code 64 is back :'( :'( :'( :'( and not easy to start. Turns over but doesnt fire up straight away. No loss of power in fact im amazed on how quick it goes :o Compared to when I got it a few weeks ago its running really well and the smoke on start up has gone. This car had sat still for at least 6 months before I got it and only done 2000 miles in last 3-4 years! Ive done 500 miles in it already ;D ;D ;D I will try the diesel magic again and also Should the glow light plug come on every time I turn the ignition on?
Glow-plug light does not come on when the engine's warmed-up.
ok thanks that what I thought, just checking :y
The battery that come on syd has nothing written on it >:( petes is a GM 66 -H3 If it was the battery though how comes it works ok every morning? I have an old landrover, 3 series ( another project ) not sure what battery is in that, as that was a new one. If not halfords/part co tomorrow :( :(
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I think it means problems with temp sensor/hp pump. Double the value of your car.
But if it runs fine ignore it.
Does it start bad when hot? :(
Had this on mine - the dreaded '64'. Basically, the injection pump was naffed.
It ran like this for about 6 months though, before finally failing on me. I tried everything possible, including following the sound advice of fellow OOFers, and a new pump was eventually fitted at a cost of just over 1200 quid.
If you're also having warm-start problems, try pouring a kettle full of cold water over the pump when it's hot. If it then starts reasonably well, you've confirmed the problem. 'Omegatoy' is very knowledgeable on this very issue - hopefully he'll be along soon.
Is it the pump that costs the money or is it the labour? Ive seen a few pumps on an Auction site. I guess this isnt something I could change :-? I can get the manifold off in 5 mins now, as Ive had it off so many times :D :D :D