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Title: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Richard A on 12 May 2009, 16:15:38
What symptoms and/or damage can to much fluid in the autogear box cause ???

regards
richarda
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 12 May 2009, 16:17:05
I wouldn't have thought that you could put overly much oil in because of the way they are filled.....

But too much fluid is not good
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: omega rick on 12 May 2009, 16:17:29
overfilling will cause serious damage to the seals , drain it down to correct level straight away  :(
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Jimbob on 12 May 2009, 17:12:44
are you sure its overfull?

the fluid will spill if you open the plug, with the car turned off, and on the level.

The correct level is to the plug, car level and running.
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 12 May 2009, 17:14:16
Thats what i thought Jimbob....... :-/

Surely it would spill out??
I can see how you could overfill it if it was the older set up with a dipstick....
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Richard A on 12 May 2009, 18:47:11
Ok, many thanks, taken the advise and let the fluid run out to the correct level, with the engine ticking over, about 1/2 pint came out.
My fault but maybe a lesson to others, changed the radiator a week last sunday, when refitting it I primed the coolant part of the rad, so as 'ATF' had run all over the garage floor I thought I would prime the 'ATF' cooler on the rad to replace any lost.
It would seem with hindsight this was unnecessary as the majority of the fluid drains back into the box.
Really hope it hasn't caused any long term damage !!!!

regards to all
richarda  
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Andy B on 12 May 2009, 19:12:28
They say ATF expands in uses anyway ......  :-?  :-?  :-?
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: JohnM on 12 May 2009, 21:11:33
I've heard old/used atf expands.

If severe, then a level check is meaningless on really old fluid.

- not sure what colour mine is ....
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 12 May 2009, 21:26:04
My personal theory is change it every year!

If it doesnt do it much good it wont do it any harm,its not that hard to do or excessively expensive either
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Richard A on 12 May 2009, 23:12:33
Interesting, changed the ATF at 134k last January so not that old, but yes I agree as the miles click up it is worth doing more oil changes, now at 156k.
regards
richarda
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Jimbob on 13 May 2009, 07:40:16
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My personal theory is change it every year!

If it doesnt do it much good it wont do it any harm,its not that hard to do or excessively expensive either


ATF once a year!!!!!  :o

Thats commitment for you!

once, maybe twice in a cars life is probably enough for most of us
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Pitchfork on 13 May 2009, 08:25:18
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My personal theory is change it every year!

If it doesnt do it much good it wont do it any harm,its not that hard to do or excessively expensive either


ATF once a year!!!!!  :o

Thats commitment for you!

once, maybe twice in a cars life is probably enough for most of us
Crikey! my Traktor has done 148K miles on original AR25 & ATF
It behaves perfectly! :)
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 13 May 2009, 09:25:09
I used to change the ATF in Monza's every year,i know its a bit OTT but i firmly believe the car perfomed better through the box when changed often,i did honestly feel a difference when i either went into one of the other Monza's or someone elses,mine always felt 100 times better...
The way i looked at it...£20/30 got me decent ATF and a hour of my time....not really a drama,and i had better performance from it,so for me it was a 'no brainer' ;)

Dont get me wrong,i know the Miggy is a bit different,i wouldn't take the bottom off and do the filter every year but a drain and top up will keep it sweet! :y
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Jimbob on 13 May 2009, 09:29:36
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I used to change the ATF in Monza's every year,i know its a bit OTT but i firmly believe the car perfomed better through the box when changed often,i did honestly feel a difference when i either went into one of the other Monza's or someone elses,mine always felt 100 times better...
The way i looked at it...£20/30 got me decent ATF and a hour of my time....not really a drama,and i had better performance from it,so for me it was a 'no brainer' ;)

Dont get me wrong,i know the Miggy is a bit different,i wouldn't take the bottom off and do the filter every year but a drain and top up will keep it sweet! :y


Ahhhh, so how much are you actually changing?

whats your method, syringe some out and back in?

assumed you were dropping both sumps.
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 13 May 2009, 10:16:48
Drop the sumps every 2 years! :y

Sook out as much as you can with a clear flexable tube,top up,not a full change i know but a wee re-fresh all helps it
Do it a couple or 3 times over a couple of days and you can re-fresh a fair bit! not do it any harm even if it doesn't help that much, :y

But as Tesco say.....'Every little helps' ;D ;D
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 13 May 2009, 10:19:10
Used to use this method in Carlton/Senators etc for Power steering fluid and brake fluid as well,sook out as much as you can without creating a problem,top up with new fluid,repeat a couple of times a week.....it will re-fresh a fair bit of fluid through the systems
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Jimbob on 13 May 2009, 10:24:39
yup, your not wrong, and as you say, done like this not a tricky or expensive job.

to do sumps and new filters, 10 litres good atf, looking at about £80
less without filters and using instant gasket

yours guessing about £20 for a nice freshen up  :y
Title: Re: Autogearbox - To much fluid !!
Post by: Iain on 13 May 2009, 10:26:40
Takes half an hour to sook and re-fresh mate.....it might not be a lot but it should help a bit

It worked with the brake fluid on a GSi i had,brakes were rubbish....sooked and re-freshed the fluid about 4 or 5 times....was browny/black and horrid...4/5 times doing it got to the stage when the fluid i was sooking out was a better colour,brakes were much better and it was easy to do :y