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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: feeutfo on 13 May 2009, 18:19:43
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has there been a change in policy with safety/inspection certificates and insurance companys in the last 10months? Just rang my insurance company, direct line, to inform them of my modification to lpg and they say once fitted, and if no certificate is issued on the vehicle then my insurance is void...!
Spent most of the day desperately phoneing round to sort a test, but the nearest app is tomorrow in Littlehampton! Almost a 2 hour drive. All other are cooked up for weeks except a couple of old boys in slough who are going to ring in the morning. They dont fill me with confidence tbh.
Oh and by the way, that will be £100 plus (YES "PLUS") VAT for the cert! How can that be right?
How do you guys deal with this? I should have spoken to them nearer/before completion of the install quite clearly, not after its finished as i now have a full tank of gas and the use of the mrs polo!
Arse.
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My insurer didn't ask and I didn't bring it up. :-/ Really should get it done though. That sounds rather steep.
Have you tried http://www.amsautogas.com/. Just up the road from me. Popped in with JamesV6CDX once for some bits and pieces and he was a helpful chap. Mentioned that he could do certs and IIRC the price was a good bit lower...
Have you spoken to Teilo? I know he was hoping to be able to certify soon but it's gone quiet recently.
Failing that, try another insurer? :-/
Kevin
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You've always needed a cert so no nothing has changed in the last ten months ;)
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yeah i realise always needed cert. but when i spoke to direct line they where very vague, and said to just inform then on completion. Now, having done so, i find myself uninsured.
I should change insurers anyway mine are crap. But Kev i think we have to declare any modifications on any new policy, they always seem to ask as part of the proposal? I realise any lpg system may not come to light in a small claim but if the car is examined and found not as declared or as their records it a perfect excuse not to pay out.
The guys in Alton are heavily booked, as are swindon, who claim to be unable to certify any system they have not been trained on. They had never herd of the Stag 300 system.(is thats right model? guessed to be honest) there are a few qualified around me but all seen to be booked up and at least an hours drive.
Tailo agrees the price is pi55 take and blames the lpga for bumping it up. They hate diy installs he tells me, and have been lobbying insurers to tighten up on certs. I wonder why? They also charge testers 800pa for the right to certify. He says its 15 to 20 mins to check requirements but they book an hour appointment for the test. Compare to testing the whole car for an mot and its def ott.... imho anyway. One for watchdog perhaps?
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Teilo can do a safety certificate, which is all you'll get elsewhere and sufficient for insurance purposes. I know he's a bit of a trek but he might do it FOC as part of the kit cost... I don't know for certain he will but it's worth asking!
For future reference, Swiftcover don't charge any more for LPG converted cars and just stipulate it has to be professionally converted, i.e. Have a certificate of conformity, which Teilo can do! He's still waiting for the LPGA to pull their finger out with regards to full LPGA certification.
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MoreThan also do not charge for LPG installs and if you do provide them with a cert then you get an extra 10% off your premium :y
Lazydocker do you have Teilo's number by chance please.
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MoreThan also do not charge for LPG installs and if you do provide them with a cert then you get an extra 10% off your premium :y
Lazydocker do you have Teilo's number by chance please.
Not on me but I'll PM you with it later.
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MoreThan also do not charge for LPG installs and if you do provide them with a cert then you get an extra 10% off your premium :y
Lazydocker do you have Teilo's number by chance please.
Not on me but I'll PM you with it later.
:-*
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its very reassuring. What ever else happens you guys are always there, reliable, and helpfull.
Teilo can do a safety certificate, which is all you'll get elsewhere and sufficient for insurance purposes. I know he's a bit of a trek but he might do it FOC as part of the kit cost... I don't know for certain he will but it's worth asking!
For future reference, Swiftcover don't charge any more for LPG converted cars and just stipulate it has to be professionally converted, i.e. Have a certificate of conformity, which Teilo can do! He's still waiting for the LPGA to pull their finger out with regards to full LPGA certification.
Can you clarify Paul.
Safety certificate.
Certificate of conformity.
Full lpg certification.
How many are there and which one do i need? Cant get through to direct line"Due to adverse weather" says the recording..!!! Aye?
Also found a guy in uxbridge who can test at 10am for £80. He asked what sort of cert do i need. I said for insurance....so obviously more than one cert to be had?
Thanks for your support guys much appreciated. :-)
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Elephant did not want to see any certificate, they were happy with the fact the car is dual fuel registered with the DVLA, although they (DVLA) did want one.. and I believe always have . :(
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Chris, you will need to check with D/L but a Certificate of Conformity/Safety Certificate (same thing) should suffice. You shouldn't be able to get a Full LPGA Certificate from anyone at the moment as the kit is still being approved by the LPGA for Certification purposes. Once this process is completed Teilo will be the only person (to begin with) who can issue full LPGA Certificates.
Hope this helps you somewhat... Like I said, I'd check with Teilo before paying someone to inspect it as I was going to get mine checked and he told me not to as he could do it
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Chris, you will need to check with D/L but a Certificate of Conformity/Safety Certificate (same thing) should suffice. You shouldn't be able to get a Full LPGA Certificate from anyone at the moment as the kit is still being approved by the LPGA for Certification purposes. Once this process is completed Teilo will be the only person (to begin with) who can issue full LPGA Certificates.
Hope this helps you somewhat... Like I said, I'd check with Teilo before paying someone to inspect it as I was going to get mine checked and he told me not to as he could do it
I have spoken with him on this, he cant do until late June/July. But he wast talking about full Lpga cert. He didnt mention safety cert. Didnt realise the difference at the time.
So to be clear, are we saying it is not possible to acquire a full lpga cert for this system?
And if so, obviously only safety cert can be issued by anyone. So presumably should be cheaper?
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Chris, you will need to check with D/L but a Certificate of Conformity/Safety Certificate (same thing) should suffice. You shouldn't be able to get a Full LPGA Certificate from anyone at the moment as the kit is still being approved by the LPGA for Certification purposes. Once this process is completed Teilo will be the only person (to begin with) who can issue full LPGA Certificates.
Hope this helps you somewhat... Like I said, I'd check with Teilo before paying someone to inspect it as I was going to get mine checked and he told me not to as he could do it
I have spoken with him on this, he cant do until late June/July. But he wast talking about full Lpga cert. If didnt mention safety cert. Didnt realise the difference at the time.
So to be clear, are we saying it is not possible to acquire a full lpga cert for this system?
And if so, obviously only safety cert can be issued by anyone. So presumably should be cheaper?
I can get a safety cert for £50+VAT here but it's a long way to come!!
Have a word with Teilo tomorrow and tell him the situation. He may say he can do a safety cert in the mean time before the full LPGA certs come through :y :y :y
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Insurers seem to be getting generally arsey about LPG lately. My Dad's been running camper vans for years (he's currently on his third) which, of course, have a little cooker running on Calor gas. Last year his insurance company suddenly decided that the gas installation had to be certified by a CORGI registered installer, which caused him a major problem, because nearly all the gas fitters he tried said "Sorry mate, we don't do Calor gas stuff, only mains gas". >:(
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Insurers seem to be getting generally arsey about LPG lately. My Dad's been running camper vans for years (he's currently on his third) which, of course, have a little cooker running on Calor gas. Last year his insurance company suddenly decided that the gas installation had to be certified by a CORGI registered installer, which caused him a major problem, because nearly all the gas fitters he tried said "Sorry mate, we don't do Calor gas stuff, only mains gas". >:(
to make matters worse, Corgi aren't in charge of gas testing any more, you need someone on the 'GasSafe' register! Big yellow sticker not orange shield...... ::)
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PS Anyone know of a birmingham/midlands based place to get a certificate?
I've been running my JamesV6CDX installed system for nearly 12 months and as insurance renewal isn't far away think a cert will be likely! (Last year as all I did was swap cars on the policy, they didn't seem fussed)
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have a look here for nearest approved installer.
http://www.drivelpg.co.uk
Hope the link works.
Edit yep works, link on the right above list of lpg petrol stations. :-)
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Esure stung me for an extra £80 on top of the online quote but never asked for a certificate! due at the end of the month so hope they dont as I aint got one >:(
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Unless they're considerably cheaper I wouldn't use them. I refuse to pay a premium for LPG converted cars when they don't pay out the extra for a kit without a big fight, if at all!!!
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PS Anyone know of a birmingham/midlands based place to get a certificate?
I've been running my JamesV6CDX installed system for nearly 12 months and as insurance renewal isn't far away think a cert will be likely! (Last year as all I did was swap cars on the policy, they didn't seem fussed)
Knowing what I know now - I feel in order to pass cert - your LPG filler pipe will need another outer sleve. Absolutely no biggie at all but thought i'd mention it, seeing as I saw your post :y
How's the gas running anyhoo?
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PS Anyone know of a birmingham/midlands based place to get a certificate?
I've been running my JamesV6CDX installed system for nearly 12 months and as insurance renewal isn't far away think a cert will be likely! (Last year as all I did was swap cars on the policy, they didn't seem fussed)
Knowing what I know now - I feel in order to pass cert - your LPG filler pipe will need another outer sleve. Absolutely no biggie at all but thought i'd mention it, seeing as I saw your post :y
How's the gas running anyhoo?
Hi James, thanks for the info! the old barge is running mostly fine, gas wise anyway. Occasionally it says it's empty when it's not, and sometimes beeps for empty when nearly full. but a quick restart and it's fine!
got a few bits to tidy up here and there, but it's been a great load lugger.
I have been thinking of getting in touch with you actually too, how's the mobile mechanic business going? I noticed the website's changed a tad... :-/
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PS Anyone know of a birmingham/midlands based place to get a certificate?
I've been running my JamesV6CDX installed system for nearly 12 months and as insurance renewal isn't far away think a cert will be likely! (Last year as all I did was swap cars on the policy, they didn't seem fussed)
Knowing what I know now - I feel in order to pass cert - your LPG filler pipe will need another outer sleve. Absolutely no biggie at all but thought i'd mention it, seeing as I saw your post :y
How's the gas running anyhoo?
Hi James, thanks for the info! the old barge is running mostly fine, gas wise anyway. Occasionally it says it's empty when it's not, and sometimes beeps for empty when nearly full. but a quick restart and it's fine!
got a few bits to tidy up here and there, but it's been a great load lugger.
I have been thinking of getting in touch with you actually too, how's the mobile mechanic business going? I noticed the website's changed a tad... :-/
I'm not routinely doing mechanics for reasons stated - however I'm happy to help out previous mates I've worked for - and this includes you. :y
If ever you sell the old girl, please do let me know before you advertise her :y
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Hmmm --- before I rip out my LPG system .... GNU is registered at DVLA as dual fuel ( never seen any form of certificate ) Does this mean I am likely to get away with it ? Technically ( and probably stretching a point) there are no modifications to declare because the vehicle is "as registered" ::)
Would prefer not to discuss the niceties with my insurers as I have no wish to open a can of worms with them !
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Hmmm --- before I rip out my LPG system .... GNU is registered at DVLA as dual fuel ( never seen any form of certificate ) Does this mean I am likely to get away with it ? Technically ( and probably stretching a point) there are no modifications to declare because the vehicle is "as registered" ::)
Would prefer not to discuss the niceties with my insurers as I have no wish to open a can of worms with them !
Depends who your insurer is... AFAIK Most will accept it being declared on the log book as OK but some are a bit funny ::) ::)
[edit]Not informing them is a sticky one though as it has been modified away from factory standard :-/ :-/ :-/[/edit]
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Hmmm --- before I rip out my LPG system .... GNU is registered at DVLA as dual fuel ( never seen any form of certificate ) Does this mean I am likely to get away with it ? Technically ( and probably stretching a point) there are no modifications to declare because the vehicle is "as registered" ::)
Would prefer not to discuss the niceties with my insurers as I have no wish to open a can of worms with them !
Depends who your insurer is... AFAIK Most will accept it being declared on the log book as OK but some are a bit funny ::) ::)
[edit]Not informing them is a sticky one though as it has been modified away from factory standard :-/ :-/ :-/[/edit]
Direct Line at the mo. They didn't want (or didn't mention) a cert needed when I insured my (now defunct) LPG'd Voyager with them
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Hmmm --- before I rip out my LPG system .... GNU is registered at DVLA as dual fuel ( never seen any form of certificate ) Does this mean I am likely to get away with it ? Technically ( and probably stretching a point) there are no modifications to declare because the vehicle is "as registered" ::)
Would prefer not to discuss the niceties with my insurers as I have no wish to open a can of worms with them !
Depends who your insurer is... AFAIK Most will accept it being declared on the log book as OK but some are a bit funny ::) ::)
[edit]Not informing them is a sticky one though as it has been modified away from factory standard :-/ :-/ :-/[/edit]
Direct Line at the mo. They didn't want (or didn't mention) a cert needed when I insured my (now defunct) LPG'd Voyager with them
I think, and don't quote me on this, that if the DVLA has it registered as Dual Fuel they are happy :y :y :y
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Having spoken to Tailo about this and tried some of his recommended insurance companys that used not to require a cert at all. Its now obvious that the situation has changed over the last year or so, as each and every one of Tailos suggestions now require an approved cert. And will not convert a quote to a policy without one, the system will not allow it, computer says no, and thats that.
Tailo himself told me the the lpga have been lobbying the insurance companys to this effect. There is no reason to assume what was the case 6 months ago is the case today. If your insurance company doesnt know of your install they cant inform you of any rule changes that may affect you.
Should add that my experience is with new business policys, but this would suggest that you could be voiding your insurance if not declared on your old policy. I would suggest at the very least an anonymous phone call to your company to find out the situation.
Re certs, and putting the price to one side for a minute, it is worth having a trained eye look over your system imho. Some interesting points have come to light on mine, and some rather picky it has to be said, but you really want to be belt and braces when it comes to gas.
On both issues of insurance and certifying your install, i dont think a "head in sand" approach is wise. Find out the situation and get stuff in writing.
Cover your arse basickly. May cost a few quid though.
Cant help think this area is a bit of a let down on behalf of Moto Gas. Its all very well saying the lpga dont like diy installs and are being awkward and over charging. May well be. But matters not. These are hoops we are legally obliged to jump through, and until last week is the first i had heard of it from Moto Gas. Yes the install guide mentions it briefly but no support from Moto Gas them selfs as they dont have approved certification in place. Bit poor imho.
Still, thanks to guys on here, my install is going in the right direction. :-)
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I know Motogas are trying to push the paperwork through for LPGA certification but are just being held back by the LPGA. The plan was to include a certificate in the kit price, after you've visited him for an inspection :y :y :y
Swifcover don't require a certificate... They just state it has to be professionally installed (I used to earn a living as a mechanic so that's good enough for me!)
It's a shame as I haven't had a problem for the last 4 years getting cover for LPG cars without certification ::) ::)
I take it this is all resolved for you now Chris? And, if you don't mind me asking, what got picked up at the inspection?
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Just had a shufty around their web site -- gives no mention of LPG at all :(
Can't really phone in case they nullify my present insurance there and then !!!!!! :-/
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Found this on Swiftcover Website when I was doing my insurance but can't seem to find anything similar on Direct Line :-/ :-/ :-/
Question / Issue
Will swiftcover insure a vehicle that has been modified for Liquid Petroleum Gas?
Answer / Solution
Swiftcover will insure a vehicle that has been modified for Liquid Petroleum Gas. We do not however collect this information when you get a quote.
Although I did ring up and make them record the fact mine's LPG converted on the system just in case!