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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Bumbazor on 29 May 2009, 17:13:39
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I have read the following article:
they have a few inherant problems the cam covers are metal and so dont leak like an omegas one does instead it blows the rear crank seal contaminating the clutch and killing it
It's describing the engine in a Vectra, but does this mean that if I put metal covers on my Omega, and if the breathers are blocked, instead of popping the cam cover gaskets would it knacker my crank seal?
Or, does the crank seal issue only apply to the Vectras?
Thanks
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The crank seal will blow on the omega, as the next weakest link :y
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The crank seal will not leak unless your breathers are very restricted.
Keep the breathers clear with regular oil changes and maintenance and you will have no problem with the far superior aluminium covers and the even more superior gaskets that go with them.
Remember that Vauxhall only stuck crap plastic covers on to save money, they did not design them to leak on purpose to save the crank seal!
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They're more trouble than they're worth, ask Robski ::)
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They're more trouble than they're worth, ask Robski ::)
Ive had no trouble with mine in 18000 miles :y
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I believe you have to put them on different heads because of the oil filler. If you look down the plug holes the camcover holes for the plug leads are not directly above the plugs.
I can't see the point in replacing the black ones, if they are leaking, replace the seals and keep the breathers and oil clean and they shouldn't bother you again ;)
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I'm quite sure my breathers are ok as I have just done them, and they weren't too bad.
My problem is a few months ago I had badly warped covers which were leaking, so I got some good plastic ones with straight edges which fixed the leaks. Until a few days ago, that is. For some reason they have warped and not due to overtightening as I did the bolts properly.
I can keep on getting plastic covers but I don't want them to fail again, which is why I'm now thinking about metal covers.
If the only bad point of metal covers is the possibility that bad breathers can cause the crank seal to blow then I'll be careful not to let that happen.
What other problems can happen with metal covers?
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Did you check the cam covers before you fitted them.
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Yes, they were very good but now are not...
I got them from Daz and they were fine for several weeks. The edges were straight but when I checked today the edges are all wavy and I'm damn sure I didn't overtighten.
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Did you use a torque wrench?
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Did you use a torque wrench?
..............set at 8nm?
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No but very lightly finger tightened.
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I believe you have to put them on different heads because of the oil filler. If you look down the plug holes the camcover holes for the plug leads are not directly above the plugs.
I can't see the point in replacing the black ones, if they are leaking, replace the seals and keep the breathers and oil clean and they shouldn't bother you again ;)
That maybe so, I havent had much experience changing gaskets with the plastic covers , ive only changed one set so far (not leaked yet) but I have heard many horror stories regarding repeated gasket changes and continued oil leaks especially with pattern parts.
On the other hand, while you do have to fit the ally covers to different heads (you need to use a funnel to top the oil up) you can use pattern gaskets without concern . I havent noticed that the plug holes/ plugs dont line up but i will have a look and report back.
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No but very lightly finger tightened.
if they were only very lightly finger tightened you are lucky they havent fallen off never mind leaked ;D
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No but very lightly finger tightened.
Thats why they leaked. You really MUST use a torque wrench ;)
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I can understand that I might have tightened them too much even if by hand without a ratchet but I reallly didn't put any pressure into them, and it has taken weeks for them to leak.
I would have thought the leak would have come sooner if tighened too much.
Anyway, I'm off to find a torque wrench that goes that low, and some good plastic covers.
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As I understand it the crank is vented the way it is to reduce emmittions is their any reason why the crank case could not be vented directly into the atmosphere like some Ford engines? in an effort to reduce pressure build up in the cam covers. :-/
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I can understand that I might have tightened them too much even if by hand without a ratchet but I reallly didn't put any pressure into them, and it has taken weeks for them to leak.
I would have thought the leak would have come sooner if tighened too much.
Anyway, I'm off to find a torque wrench that goes that low, and some good plastic covers.
I dont think the problem you have had is through overtightening, by the sound of it they were undertightened . The plastic covers you have will probably be ok
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plastic covers don't warp btw
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If you have persistant oil leaks regardless of changing various gaskets etc, I suggest you check that the oil pressure relief valve is operating correctly.
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I saw a mod on a V6 Omega in the scrap yard the other day. There was a 5/16"-ish pipe linking the oil filler neck with the top pipe of the induction bag pipes ....... :-/ :-/ :-/ ;)
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I saw a mod on a V6 Omega in the scrap yard the other day. There was a 5/16"-ish pipe linking the oil filler neck with the top pipe of the induction bag pipes ....... :-/ :-/ :-/ ;)
I have often pondered on a similar mod but routing into the plenum via the(blanked off )EGR valve