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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 17 June 2009, 18:39:34
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Further to my front brake pad thread yesterday, I am about to attempt to fit a second set of brake sensors.
I want to clarify exactly how these should be fitted with ease please.
I have tried to fit them through the appeture onto the face side of the pads when the calliper is in position, and also tried to fit them to the pad before fitting the calliper. In both cases I ended up damaging the sensors. I know what Haynes say, which is very little and a very poor photograph.
Any advise please? :D :D ;)
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I fit them when the pads are built up in the caliper, your fitting it to the inboard pad .... it's the only one you can fit a sensor to, ;) ;) but I'm sure you already knew that.
Put the pin of the sensor up to the hole in the anti-rattle spring and gently push it into place with a broad(ish) screwdriver, it'll just click as it goes in! :y :y :y :y
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I fit them when the pads are built up in the caliper, your fitting it to the inboard pad .... it's the only one you can fit a sensor to, ;) ;) but I'm sure you already knew that.
Put the pin of the sensor up to the hole in the anti-rattle spring and gently push it into place with a broad(ish) screwdriver, it'll just click as it goes in! :y :y :y :y
That is the trouble Andy, instead of clicking in the sensor just broke :'( :'( :'( Perhaps the scewdriver wasn't broad enough as you state, so thanks I will give it another go. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Bloody stupid things; why do they design things like this to be so difficult! ::) ::)
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where did you get them from? when I got a set the numptys gave me a set for the 2.0 - smaller pads, different fixing. they would not fit without lots of force
correct ones really just click in without much effort
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I fit them when the pads are built up in the caliper, your fitting it to the inboard pad .... it's the only one you can fit a sensor to, ;) ;) but I'm sure you already knew that.
Put the pin of the sensor up to the hole in the anti-rattle spring and gently push it into place with a broad(ish) screwdriver, it'll just click as it goes in! :y :y :y :y
That is the trouble Andy, instead of clicking in the sensor just broke :'( :'( :'( Perhaps the scewdriver wasn't broad enough as you state, so thanks I will give it another go. 8-) 8-) 8-)
Bloody stupid things; why do they design things like this to be so difficult! ::) ::)
What do your sensors look like? The sensors I refitted were like those I've normally come across, white and almost ceramic looking. The sensors I bought, but didn't fit - cos the old white sensors hadn't been worn through ;) - are black and seem a lot more plastic, obviously i haven't tried to bend them to see how much they differ from the white sensors. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lizzie each one I have done I was able to push them in with my thumb.
Like said you fit the sensor to the inner most pad, with the prong of the sensor entering from the outside to the inside if that makes any sense. :y
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black ones are for the early 2.0. ceramic are for the rest... that's what I found
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Mmmm! :-? I've just got the new sensors to look, and realised that he's given me the wrong sensors! It's a good job my old sensors weren't worn through.
Guess where I'm going tomorrow on my way home from work? ;) ;)
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Assume the part numbers are different for the two types then....I am curious as I will be buying a set in the not too distant future and would appreciate correct part number for those on 2.5.
Thanks
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Assume the part numbers are different for the two types then....I am curious as I will be buying a set in the not too distant future and would appreciate correct part number for those on 2.5.
Thanks
These are what I was given :( ...... part number in photo ;)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Tiff4327/S73F0906.jpg)
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According to Trade Club page, the part number is correct, but the sensor definitely is not!
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Thats looks like a vectra sensor!
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Yes, as said, they are the wrong ones.
regards
richard a
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I didn't take that much notice when I picked them up, he's usually pretty good at the parts desk, it's just now when I got then to photo for Lizzy Z that I noticed they were wrong. I'd even commented to Entwood that my new sensors were black & seemed less hard/brittle! :-?
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That looks nothing like the ones I have ever fitted to an Omega Andy! :-?
You aren't try to fit these are you Lizzie? :-?
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Doesn't look anything like what I fitted a couple of months ago either.
@ Lizzie,
I know you are female, but how many times woman.....
Get the pad on the floor, push the anti rattle springs as far down as they go, the sensor all but falls in (third hand, or second person required).
If you are truly stuffed, I'm visiting the parents very shortly (Orpington)...I'll quite happily drop by and show you how it's done.
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Doesn't look anything like what I fitted a couple of months ago either.
@ Lizzie,
I know you are female, but how many times woman.....
Get the pad on the floor, push the anti rattle springs as far down as they go, the sensor all but falls in (third hand, or second person required).
If you are truly stuffed, I'm visiting the parents very shortly (Orpington)...I'll quite happily drop by and show you how it's done.
20watt, under than hard exterior you really are a softy aren't ya! :D ;D :y
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Doesn't look anything like what I fitted a couple of months ago either.
@ Lizzie,
I know you are female, but how many times woman.....
Get the pad on the floor, push the anti rattle springs as far down as they go, the sensor all but falls in (third hand, or second person required).
If you are truly stuffed, I'm visiting the parents very shortly (Orpington)...I'll quite happily drop by and show you how it's done.
20watt, under than hard exterior you really are a softy aren't ya! :D ;D :y
I have my moments Darth, but I really can't tolerate schmucks that talk the job but have never successfully done it for themselves first hand.
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Doesn't look anything like what I fitted a couple of months ago either.
@ Lizzie,
I know you are female, but how many times woman.....
Get the pad on the floor, push the anti rattle springs as far down as they go, the sensor all but falls in (third hand, or second person required).
If you are truly stuffed, I'm visiting the parents very shortly (Orpington)...I'll quite happily drop by and show you how it's done.
Thanks for all your feedback everyone!! :y :y
To start to answer some questions.........the sensors I have bought are ceramic in colour and have been bought from a VX main dealer, in GM wrapping, part no. 090495144............the l-shaped body of the sensor means that you cannot seem to fit them to the pad before you have fitted the calliper as it gets in the way. The only way seems to fit them through the apeture of the calliper onto the top of the pad, but there is resistence to it "clicking" into place. ;) ;)
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That looks nothing like the ones I have ever fitted to an Omega Andy! :-?
You aren't try to fit these are you Lizzie? :-?
No Daz, the ones I am fitting are the correct type, as shown in your technical guide:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1192573698
Mine are just a lot cleaner, so ceramic coloured. ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Assume the part numbers are different for the two types then....I am curious as I will be buying a set in the not too distant future and would appreciate correct part number for those on 2.5.
Thanks
090495144 for my facelift, 2000 2.5V6 CDX ;)
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Lizzie .. I fitted mine AFTER the calipers where all back in place as that seems to hold the springs down nicely. The point of the sensor into the hole then a firm push ensuring you keep the thing "square" .. if it twists at all it is very difficult. I found a large screwdriver with a 3/8" blade was usefull to get a little leverage but mostly to hold the sensor "square on" ... if that makes any sense .. :)
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Assume the part numbers are different for the two types then....I am curious as I will be buying a set in the not too distant future and would appreciate correct part number for those on 2.5.
Thanks
090495144 for my facelift, 2000 2.5V6 CDX ;)
As said, the TC site only shows one number for Omegas
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Thanks for all your feedback everyone!! :y :y
To start to answer some questions.........the sensors I have bought are ceramic in colour and have been bought from a VX main dealer, in GM wrapping, part no. 090495144............the l-shaped body of the sensor means that you cannot seem to fit them to the pad before you have fitted the calliper as it gets in the way. The only way seems to fit them through the apeture of the calliper onto the top of the pad, but there is resistence to it "clicking" into place. ;) ;)
Lizzie.....listen up (gorgeous, babe, hun, whatever is PC these days)....I did this very same job 2 months ago.
Pad on floor (on it's bottom edge), anti-rattle spring compressed to maximum, 3rd hand to drop the sensor in, bit of coppaslip on edges of pad, pad dropped in to place on caliper bracket, caliper refitted, brake pedal pumped back up, job done.
That really is how it works, and pads/sensors is no more than 20 minutes for both sides start to finish.
Like I said, I'll be seeing the parents in a couple of weeks or so in Orpington....and if you are truly stuck then I'll happily stop by on the way back and show you how it's done.
No charge, no bull*hit, but you can make the tea and entertain the missus/kids while the job is underway.
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Thanks for all your feedback everyone!! :y :y
To start to answer some questions.........the sensors I have bought are ceramic in colour and have been bought from a VX main dealer, in GM wrapping, part no. 090495144............the l-shaped body of the sensor means that you cannot seem to fit them to the pad before you have fitted the calliper as it gets in the way. The only way seems to fit them through the apeture of the calliper onto the top of the pad, but there is resistence to it "clicking" into place. ;) ;)
Lizzie.....listen up (gorgeous, babe, hun, whatever is PC these days)....I did this very same job 2 months ago.
Pad on floor (on it's bottom edge), anti-rattle spring compressed to maximum, 3rd hand to drop the sensor in, bit of coppaslip on edges of pad, pad dropped in to place on caliper bracket, caliper refitted, brake pedal pumped back up, job done.
That really is how it works, and pads/sensors is no more than 20 minutes for both sides start to finish.
Like I said, I'll be seeing the parents in a couple of weeks or so in Orpington....and if you are truly stuck then I'll happily stop by on the way back and show you how it's done.
No charge, no bull*hit, but you can make the tea and entertain the missus/kids while the job is underway.
;D ;D ;D
I have to say I do it the same as 20watt and not had a problem :y
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I replaced one only yesterday, having broken it when changing the pads and disks. :-[ (Very easily done).
I fit mine to the built up caliper.
First, fit the new cable in place, and leave the ceramic end till last. Pass the ceramic end through the window in the calliper, (holding the cable with your fingers).
Next, position the metal pin on the ceramic L-peice directly over the hole in the INBOARD brake pad and apply gentle pressure directly over the pin (opposite side of the ceramic peice) using a screwdriver. It will just pop in to place. :)
Just make sure you route the cable correctly and it should stay in place until you next replace the pads.
Note that the ceraic peice is not a tight fit, and will move around easily. Getting the things out in one peice after 10,000 miles is more difficult.
NN
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Lizzie .. I fitted mine AFTER the calipers where all back in place as that seems to hold the springs down nicely. The point of the sensor into the hole then a firm push ensuring you keep the thing "square" .. if it twists at all it is very difficult. I found a large screwdriver with a 3/8" blade was usefull to get a little leverage but mostly to hold the sensor "square on" ... if that makes any sense .. :)
Yes thanks Entwood. I am convinced now that I just need a large broad blade screwdriver as Andy suggested to carefully push them into place. ;) ;)
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Note that the ceraic peice is not a tight fit, and will move around easily. Getting the things out in one peice after 10,000 miles is more difficult.
As above, push the anti-rattle spring down as far as it will go....and the sensor falls out.
I'm off to do a bong now, because this really is too much like hard work.
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Thanks for all your feedback everyone!! :y :y
To start to answer some questions.........the sensors I have bought are ceramic in colour and have been bought from a VX main dealer, in GM wrapping, part no. 090495144............the l-shaped body of the sensor means that you cannot seem to fit them to the pad before you have fitted the calliper as it gets in the way. The only way seems to fit them through the apeture of the calliper onto the top of the pad, but there is resistence to it "clicking" into place. ;) ;)
Lizzie.....listen up (gorgeous, babe, hun, whatever is PC these days)....I did this very same job 2 months ago.
Pad on floor (on it's bottom edge), anti-rattle spring compressed to maximum, 3rd hand to drop the sensor in, bit of coppaslip on edges of pad, pad dropped in to place on caliper bracket, caliper refitted, brake pedal pumped back up, job done.
That really is how it works, and pads/sensors is no more than 20 minutes for both sides start to finish.
Like I said, I'll be seeing the parents in a couple of weeks or so in Orpington....and if you are truly stuck then I'll happily stop by on the way back and show you how it's done.
No charge, no bull*hit, but you can make the tea and entertain the missus/kids while the job is underway.
Thanks KillerWatt, but how do you pass the L-shaped connector, once connected to the pad away from the calliper through the apertur?. I tried that one and I could not position the calliper over the pads in place with the sensor there. :-/ :-/
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Thanks for all your feedback everyone!! :y :y
To start to answer some questions.........the sensors I have bought are ceramic in colour and have been bought from a VX main dealer, in GM wrapping, part no. 090495144............the l-shaped body of the sensor means that you cannot seem to fit them to the pad before you have fitted the calliper as it gets in the way. The only way seems to fit them through the apeture of the calliper onto the top of the pad, but there is resistence to it "clicking" into place. ;) ;)
Lizzie.....listen up (gorgeous, babe, hun, whatever is PC these days)....I did this very same job 2 months ago.
Pad on floor (on it's bottom edge), anti-rattle spring compressed to maximum, 3rd hand to drop the sensor in, bit of coppaslip on edges of pad, pad dropped in to place on caliper bracket, caliper refitted, brake pedal pumped back up, job done.
That really is how it works, and pads/sensors is no more than 20 minutes for both sides start to finish.
Like I said, I'll be seeing the parents in a couple of weeks or so in Orpington....and if you are truly stuck then I'll happily stop by on the way back and show you how it's done.
No charge, no bull*hit, but you can make the tea and entertain the missus/kids while the job is underway.
Thanks KillerWatt, but how do you pass the L-shaped connector, once connected to the pad away from the calliper through the apertur?. I tried that one and I could not position the calliper over the pads in place with the sensor there. :-/ :-/
I don't. I fit the cable to the built up calliper when everything else is fitted. It is the very last job before re-fitting the wheels!
(Note: This is really easy on new pads, as there is plenty of space between the pad backplate and the disk, but it gets more difficult/impossible as the pads wear down.)
NN
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Thanks KillerWatt, but how do you pass the L-shaped connector, once connected to the pad away from the calliper through the apertur?. I tried that one and I could not position the calliper over the pads in place with the sensor there. :-/ :-/
I push the plug through the aperture, pull the cable gently as I go so it doesn't fold on itself, and eventually get to the stage where the caliper just slides over the pads.
At that point, I tighten the (sliding) caliper bolts to what I know is right and won't kill me or anybody else (f*ck the torque wrench, when you've done your own brakes for 20+ years then you know what's right).
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Thanks KillerWatt, but how do you pass the L-shaped connector, once connected to the pad away from the calliper through the apertur?. I tried that one and I could not position the calliper over the pads in place with the sensor there. :-/ :-/
I push the plug through the aperture, pull the cable gently as I go so it doesn't fold on itself, and eventually get to the stage where the caliper just slides over the pads.
At that point, I tighten the (sliding) caliper bolts to what I know is right and won't kill me or anybody else (f*ck the torque wrench, when you've done your own brakes for 20+ years then you know what's right).
;D ;D ;D
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Note that the ceraic peice is not a tight fit, and will move around easily. Getting the things out in one peice after 10,000 miles is more difficult.
As above, push the anti-rattle spring down as far as it will go....and the sensor falls out.
I'm off to do a bong now, because this really is too much like hard work.
Sorry to be a nuisance, but all I am after is an answer to a) the best way to fit the sensor and b) if it is best fitted before or after completing the calliper fit. But I am receiving two versions of the procedure, one a number on here, plus Haynes, recommend, and others the one of fitting to the pad before fitting the calliper. ;)
As I say I have tried what you are suggesting KillerWatt, but the calliper will not go over the pads in place without being obstructed by the top L of the sensor in place on the inner pad. ::) ::)
I think now I will just try to do it the best way I can using my experience and the advice everyone has kindly given. ;) ;)
Thanks all :y :y :y :y
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Sorry to be a nuisance, but all I am after is an answer to a) the best way to fit the sensor and b) if it is best fitted before or after completing the calliper fit. But I am receiving two versions of the procedure, one a number on here, plus Haynes, recommend, and others the one of fitting to the pad before fitting the calliper. ;)
As I say I have tried what you are suggesting KillerWatt, but the calliper will not go over the pads in place without being obstructed by the top L of the sensor in place on the inner pad. ::) ::)
I think now I will just try to do it the best way I can using my experience and the advice everyone has kindly given. ;) ;)
Thanks all :y :y :y :y
First off Lizzie, if you don't know the answer then you ain't being a pain.
Second, maybe I ain't explaining it well enough....so I'll try again for you.......
Take one of the pads (any one you like).
Place it on the floor (bottom edge down)
Push both ends of the anti rattle spring down as far as you can
Get a second person to drop the sensor in to place
Feed sensor plug through aperture in caliper
Pull enough of the cable through so you can locate pad in caliper bracket without the cable being crushed
At this point, refer to Haynes (assembly is reverse procedure of dismantle).
But seriously, if you are stuck then I will quite happily show you how it's done when I visit the parents in a couple of weeks.
If you are going to continue and try yourself, then stop giving Vx £18 for the sensors, because CAF sell both sides for £9 inc VAT.
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Sorry to be a nuisance, but all I am after is an answer to a) the best way to fit the sensor and b) if it is best fitted before or after completing the calliper fit. But I am receiving two versions of the procedure, one a number on here, plus Haynes, recommend, and others the one of fitting to the pad before fitting the calliper. ;)
As I say I have tried what you are suggesting KillerWatt, but the calliper will not go over the pads in place without being obstructed by the top L of the sensor in place on the inner pad. ::) ::)
I think now I will just try to do it the best way I can using my experience and the advice everyone has kindly given. ;) ;)
Thanks all :y :y :y :y
First off Lizzie, if you don't know the answer then you ain't being a pain.
Second, maybe I ain't explaining it well enough....so I'll try again for you.......
Take one of the pads (any one you like).
Place it on the floor (bottom edge down)
Push both ends of the anti rattle spring down as far as you can
Get a second person to drop the sensor in to place
Feed sensor plug through aperture in caliper
Pull enough of the cable through so you can locate pad in caliper bracket without the cable being crushed
At this point, refer to Haynes (assembly is reverse procedure of dismantle).
But seriously, if you are stuck then I will quite happily show you how it's done when I visit the parents in a couple of weeks.
If you are going to continue and try yourself, then stop giving Vx £18 for the sensors, because CAF sell both sides for £9 inc VAT.
Thanks for all that Killerwatt and your kind offer! :y :y
However, I think I now am understanding how you fit the pad, with sensor attached. From what you say above you are suggesting that you place the pads into the calliper before dropping the assembly down onto it's base?
Up to now I understood, and have been doing whenever I have done disc pads in the past, that the pads are fitted to the calliper fixed base unit before then dropping, with sliding, the calliper down to bolt in place. ;) ;) :y :y
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However, I think I now am understanding how you fit the pad, with sensor attached. From what you say above you are suggesting that you place the pads into the calliper before dropping the assembly down onto it's base?
Almost there girl, almost there ;)
The pads sit in the bracket that the caliper bolts on to (the bracket stays on the hub, you should have only removed the actual caliper), you slide the caliper over the pads (after you have pushed the piston fully home) and hold it in place until you get the bolts back in by a couple of threads or so.
Once you've done that, you tighten the bolts back up.
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However, I think I now am understanding how you fit the pad, with sensor attached. From what you say above you are suggesting that you place the pads into the calliper before dropping the assembly down onto it's base?
Almost there girl, almost there ;)
The pads sit in the bracket that the caliper bolts on to (the bracket stays on the hub, you should have only removed the actual caliper), you slide the caliper over the pads (after you have pushed the piston fully home) and hold it in place until you get the bolts back in by a couple of threads or so.
Once you've done that, you tighten the bolts back up.
Yep that is what I do, but as the pads were ok I did not have to push the piston back as I could just slide all into place. That is when I find the L-shaped sensor head gets in the way, but I now see that is because the piston is not flush to the callipers side ::) ::) ::)
Right, thanks, I now know how the sensor, connected to the pad, can go into the calliper :y :y :y :y
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Right, thanks, I now know how the sensor, connected to the pad, can go into the calliper :y :y :y :y
You're welcome Lizzie (http://www.souliejolie.com/forum/style_emoticons/smilies/kiss_hand.gif)