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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Omegatoy on 27 November 2007, 20:16:39
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Arrgghhhh!!!! dark and raining dead straight road, doing 60 to 65mph driver in front of me indicates to turn right and stops, so i stop and then hear the dreaded ssshhhsshhhss of ;locked wheels coming at me from behind, do my best to turn away from the impending smack up the rear but there isnt much room between me and the fourtrak turning right and the oncoming traffic, CRUUUUMMCH, EVERYTHING IN THE CAR SHOOTS FORWARD from where it was sitting, oh great pull off road to be greeted by a young fella who says " Ive never driven a car without abs before i just couldnt stop in time" i am very sorry mate,
get out of car expecting to see the rear caved in but because i managed to turn away a little he has only broken the clips holding the bumper on and severly damaged the rear valence under the bumper or so i thougt!!! get it home after taking all his details and have a good look, door gaps nearside rear have closed up and the car pulls t the right when driving now which it didnt before, rang insurance company and they want it to go to buckingham coachworks for repairs/stroke evaluation of damage, equivalent car hire for free so it will be a large estate according to insurers so no prob there BUT i aint letting them write it off!!!! its to damn good so im gonna go down there asap and get them to estimate it while im there And none of this we will collect the car and return it fully repaired and valeted if its economically viable bullshit!!! 'dangle berries' to that! what you reckon chaps and chappesses ? I know its an old car but i love it and its going to Spain with me in a few weeks!!!
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Crap, sorry to hear that Graham. Least you're OK though :y
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Sorry Graham, but it may not be coming to Spain :-[
Hope it goes the way you want it to :-/
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Get theMoney from the Insurance, scrap the car, and go to spain in a new one. :y
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Very concerning, how some younger drivers don't know how to drive to the conditions :(
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Bad luck mate. Hope it's not too bent or they will surely write it off. :(
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How old is your car? Insurance companies seem to write off anything that they can these days, far easier for them to hand you a stupid p1$$ take cheque (uneconomic to repair etc etc) than faff about repairing a car.
On the upside, depending on the damage and the classification you can always buy it back and do the repairs yourself....
Glad your OK.
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If the door gaps have altered, it doesn't look good but on a positive note at least you are OK :y
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How old is your car? Insurance companies seem to write off anything that they can these days, far easier for them to hand you a stupid p1$$ take cheque (uneconomic to repair etc etc) than faff about repairing a car.
On the upside, depending on the damage and the classification you can always buy it back and do the repairs yourself....
Glad your OK.
Actually the man at insurance company did say that was a possibility and made a note on the claim to that effect :y also they waived my excess as i was totally not at fault and the other driver has admitted liability so there is some hope there yet,
Thanks guys for all the glad im ok comments but to be honest was to damned annoyed to worry about meself, got a sore neck where it shook me about but other than that am ok!!
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Arrgghhhh!!!! dark and raining dead straight road, doing 60 to 65mph driver in front of me indicates to turn right and stops, so i stop and then hear the dreaded ssshhhsshhhss of ;locked wheels coming at me from behind, do my best to turn away from the impending smack up the rear but there isnt much room between me and the fourtrak turning right and the oncoming traffic, CRUUUUMMCH, EVERYTHING IN THE CAR SHOOTS FORWARD from where it was sitting, oh great pull off road to be greeted by a young fella who says "Ive never driven a car without abs before, while turning round to grab my bottle of coke off the back seat and pushing harder on the accelerator, so i just couldnt stop in time" i am very sorry mate,
get out of car expecting to see the rear caved in but because i managed to turn away a little he has only broken the clips holding the bumper on and severly damaged the rear valence under the bumper or so i thougt!!! get it home after taking all his details and have a good look, door gaps nearside rear have closed up and the car pulls t the right when driving now which it didnt before, rang insurance company and they want it to go to buckingham coachworks for repairs/stroke evaluation of damage, equivalent car hire for free so it will be a large estate according to insurers so no prob there BUT i aint letting them write it off!!!! its to damn good so im gonna go down there asap and get them to estimate it while im there And none of this we will collect the car and return it fully repaired and valeted if its economically viable bullshit!!! 'dangle berries' to that! what you reckon chaps and chappesses ? I know its an old car but i love it and its going to Spain with me in a few weeks!!!
If you can stop in time to avoid the car in front, why couldnt the car behind you? i cant say i sympathise too much with him
good thing you're ok, and it might work out better for them to write it off and pay you out, after all you might end up with whiplash and pocket some cash from it!
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Glad you are OK that is the most important thing ...... but it would be worth your while visiting your doctor for a check .... that way any injury will be on record .. saves you having to argue about it all later .... :(
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
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Bloody hell Graham - glad you are OK.
Car sounds like a write off though :( >:(
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Bloody hell Graham - glad you are OK.
Car sounds like a write off though :( >:(
wel strange thing is if you just glanced at it it looks normal, not till you go round and really check it you begin to notice the little things wrong with it :(
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
:y I know where there is a big tree and a length of chain that would anchor the queen mary!!!!
:y
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Glad you are OK that is the most important thing ...... but it would be worth your while visiting your doctor for a check .... that way any injury will be on record .. saves you having to argue about it all later .... :(
wifes nagging me to do the same thing!!! :y
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Last I heard whiplash is worth 3 - 4 k minimum......
Almost the cost of a decent replacement 'Meega!!
(Glad you are OK though.... :y )
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If you've got a sore neck, get yourself to the doctors as soon as possible. First thing in the morning if possible. Whiplash injuries can be very dangerous and sometimes the symptoms are not obvious.
Also, as far as an insurance claim is concerned you need to get checked out.
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Really sorry to hear this. No matter how careful you are with your car there's always some tw@ who'll make up for it >:(
Anyway, glad you're all right. Could have been a lot worse. Remember you're not obliged to go to their "approved repairer" so get a couple of quotes. Doesn't sound like it'll ever be the same again eve if it were repaired though, TBH :'(
Kevin
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Arrgghhhh!!!! dark and raining dead straight road, doing 60 to 65mph driver in front of me indicates to turn right and stops, so i stop and then hear the dreaded ssshhhsshhhss of ;locked wheels coming at me from behind, do my best to turn away from the impending smack up the rear but there isnt much room between me and the fourtrak turning right and the oncoming traffic, CRUUUUMMCH, EVERYTHING IN THE CAR SHOOTS FORWARD from where it was sitting, oh great pull off road to be greeted by a young fella who says " Ive never driven a car without abs before i just couldnt stop in time" i am very sorry mate,
get out of car expecting to see the rear caved in but because i managed to turn away a little he has only broken the clips holding the bumper on and severly damaged the rear valence under the bumper or so i thougt!!! get it home after taking all his details and have a good look, door gaps nearside rear have closed up and the car pulls t the right when driving now which it didnt before, rang insurance company and they want it to go to buckingham coachworks for repairs/stroke evaluation of damage, equivalent car hire for free so it will be a large estate according to insurers so no prob there BUT i aint letting them write it off!!!! its to damn good so im gonna go down there asap and get them to estimate it while im there And none of this we will collect the car and return it fully repaired and valeted if its economically viable bullshit!!! 'dangle berries' to that! what you reckon chaps and chappesses ? I know its an old car but i love it and its going to Spain with me in a few weeks!!!
hmm yeah well what ever was this person taught?? main thing they told me when i was learning to drive was that if you dont know how your car works then dont drive it !!!
lol
maybe this person should try an iam course, and also learn how "real" brakes work. both our first 2 cars were normal braking and i dont think i have ever had to have the brakes locked, mainly because i kept to a safe distance, but also because i learnt where the last 10-15% before skiding was, as a result car stoped smoothly and safely whatever the occasion.
(rover metro 111, and a hyundai pony)
big difference when we got the meega, for the first couple of days we both were pushing a bit hard on the brakes and slowing down a bit faster than we though,
now thats my life story out of the way.
Definately get your neck looked at, as it can develop into something more painful, also as has been mentioned get it on teh record, as this guy admited full liability it could be a good pay out if thats what you wanted to persue.
glad that your ok tho.
cheers
nathan
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
No No No. the structural integrity of the vehicle would be severely compromised. Another bang in the same place and it would fold like paper.
Glad you're OK Graham :y
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
No No No. the structural integrity of the vehicle would be severely compromised. Another bang in the same place and it would fold like paper.
Glad you're OK Graham :y
if repaired in correct way nothing will happen..Metals loose the strength only with high stresses for long time or heating which leads higher carbon content inside the structure..
I dont claim it will have % 100 same strength..But will not be very weak..
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
No No No. the structural integrity of the vehicle would be severely compromised. Another bang in the same place and it would fold like paper.
Glad you're OK Graham :y
if repaired in correct way nothing will happen..Metals loose the strength only with high stresses for long time or heating which leads higher carbon content inside the structure..
I dont claim it will have % 100 same strength..But will not be very weak..
I doubt any insurer would touch a car that had been pushed and pulled like that.
We're not talking Turkish Taxis here you know. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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After these kind of accidents the real pain come later..In my last accident with the ex car when a blind driver hit me from my left door with 70-80 km/h I remember nearly 2 months I couldnt sleep on my left shoulder..
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At least you are Ok..
Could be worse..
The doors problem can be solved ..Same happened to a friends car...They pull the car from the back with a strong chain .And it turns to normal..
No No No. the structural integrity of the vehicle would be severely compromised. Another bang in the same place and it would fold like paper.
Glad you're OK Graham :y
if repaired in correct way nothing will happen..Metals loose the strength only with high stresses for long time or heating which leads higher carbon content inside the structure..
I dont claim it will have % 100 same strength..But will not be very weak..
I doubt any insurer would touch a car that had been pushed and pulled like that.
We're not talking Turkish Taxis here you know. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Huh Turkish taxis... most of them smell like a kitchen full of LPG ready to blow up with a cigarette ;D ;D
But really insurance firms never accept them ;D
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After these kind of accidents the real pain come later..In my last accident with the ex car when a blind driver hit me from my left door with 70-80 km/h I remember nearly 2 months I couldnt sleep on my left shoulder..
What!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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After these kind of accidents the real pain come later..In my last accident with the ex car when a blind driver hit me from my left door with 70-80 km/h I remember nearly 2 months I couldnt sleep on my left shoulder..
Bloody hell, it must be easy to get a license in Turkey. :o :o :o
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From the memories I remember one friends car dropped down on its right side from a mechanics lift :o :o
Mechanic was a poor guy..Dont have insurance..
it was a real tragedy..
Believe me the car was corrected by a special equipment named robot (actually its not)..An equipment to push and pull with chains and other apparats..
Finally when its painted I couldnt believe my eyes..Become a normal car..Was a Ford escort..Total repair cost 750 £ .
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After these kind of accidents the real pain come later..In my last accident with the ex car when a blind driver hit me from my left door with 70-80 km/h I remember nearly 2 months I couldnt sleep on my left shoulder..
Bloody hell, it must be easy to get a license in Turkey. :o :o :o
Yep..from local markets or butchers ;D ;D
In reality not that easy..You must attend a two months driving course ..Take physical report etc etc..But anyway having normal eyes dont mean you are not blind ..
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I won't bore you with all the details but I had a claim against a neighbour who crunched the rear of my 2.0l estate outside my house and give him his due he admitted liability. His insurance wanted to write it off at a ridiculous figure but I dug my heels in hard, and reminded them repeatedly that they could not apply the conditions they would to their own insured, but that I was in effect sueing their client for full damages, regardless of the cost of the damage to, or the value of, my car. After many weeks they finally capitulated and paid out a cash sum based on quotes I had obtained independently, at stupidly inflated prices, and provided a hire vehicle, (a Rexton!!!) for the full period.
The cash I got paid for my repairs through my friendly repairer, (not involved in the quoting), and a new diesel fuel pump and cambelt kit (including fitting) for my wife's 2.0lTD Rover 25. (over £1000). You wouldn't know anything had happened to the Omega now.
The moral? Go for their throats and stick to your guns until they give in.
And do get to the doctor NOW. It isn't necessary to exaggerate or lie; just get the facts recorded pronto.
Hope you get a good result all round. :y
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A really damaged Honda S2000 ..For sale 14000 £.. Please check this ..
http://www.sahibinden.com/www_egepertci_com_dan_satilik_honda_s2000WQQaXQQ5435213WQQpXQQdisplayitem
They will repair and sell..
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My GF was a passenger in a car involved in a RTA
Went to quack with a sore neck and ended up in a neckbrace for a few days
Wasn,t bothered about compensation but decided to go for it to cover 3 days of work
It took a while but she got just over £6,000
But more importantly you need to get yourself checked out as you cannot be sure something
more serious hasn't happened.
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Last I heard whiplash is worth 3 - 4 k minimum......
Almost the cost of a decent replacement 'Meega!!
(Glad you are OK though.... :y )
Sorry to hear :(
But as H21 says get the claim in for whiplash/back injury :y
I managed to get 2.4K last time i got rear ended a couple of years ago :y
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Your one presumably, not Mrs Omegatoy's?
I'm afraid they will write it off. And you probably want them to :'(
If the door gaps have closed up, it will need a chat with a jig, and they won't rejig one that age, when (in their eyes) its worth a few hundred quid. My own experience of rejigged cars, they never are quite straight afterwards. Even if they do get it close, they seem to fall out of true within a few months. One of Mrs TB's company car Rovers they rejigged 4 times over the 3 years we had it.
I know you could really do without this right now with everything else going on over next few weeks, but at least you have the LDV :P. Seriously, if you need a car, you are welcome to borrow tractor and learn how to use a proper gearbox.
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BTW, I bagsie the engine, gearbox etc etc tec ;D
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Your one presumably, not Mrs Omegatoy's?
I'm afraid they will write it off. And you probably want them to :'(
If the door gaps have closed up, it will need a chat with a jig, and they won't rejig one that age, when (in their eyes) its worth a few hundred quid. My own experience of rejigged cars, they never are quite straight afterwards. Even if they do get it close, they seem to fall out of true within a few months. One of Mrs TB's company car Rovers they rejigged 4 times over the 3 years we had it.
I know you could really do without this right now with everything else going on over next few weeks, but at least you have the LDV :P. Seriously, if you need a car, you are welcome to borrow tractor and learn how to use a proper gearbox.
Thanks dude, but the good news is chassis not damaged as far as i can see from under the car, flor not damaged from under the car, havent found the strength to empty the boot yet to check the floor inside ;D no roof ripples or quarter panel damage :y
bad bits
rear bumper srengthening bar is molded nicely to the shape of the rear and is no longer connected to the outer bumper shell ::) and cracked rear light lens, rear valance under the bumper is slightly dented, plastic clips that hold bumper together are history so not to bad so far when i mt the boot and make a proper check wil let you know
had the insurance company on phone today ,
Hello sir the driver is on his way in your free hire car to collect your car,so we can assess the damage and let you know if its economically viable to repair it
me, you better ring him then and tel him not to bother!!
, I will at my own convenience drive the car to the asessors garage where they can inspect it
in the meantime i have carried out my own checks and the car is perfectly safe to drive ,
This is not how we do it sir for your own safety we take the car away on a low loader and return it after repairs fully valeted and not costing you anything as it is being paid for by the other drivers insurance company so you have no need to do anything else.
me
And if its classed as beyond economic repair?
oh thats all right sir we dispose of it for you and send you the cheque!!
me
The cr is worth a minimum of £1500 to me so send the driver with a cheque and you can then drive it away,
Oh no sir the claims asessor/valuer decides on the amount to be paid,
me
As i was not in anyway shape or form to blame for this accident and have been highly inconvenienced
by it i am fully entitled to have my car returned to its former condition paid for by the other drivers insurance is this right?
I am not sure sir can i get back to you?
Me
certainly but you better tell your driver to turn around before he gets to far!!
look forward to hearig from you good bye
ten mins later phone goes again
hello sir what time would you like to bring the car around so we can have a look at it?
me
see you sat morning
so thats the score so far, no way are they going
to have my car except to fit a new rear bumper!!!
Omegatoy
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BTW, I bagsie the engine, gearbox etc etc tec ;D
you wouldnt believe how many people have asked me about that :o there are a load of vultures around me!!!! :o
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BTW, I bagsie the engine, gearbox etc etc tec ;D
you wouldnt believe how many people have asked me about that :o there are a load of vultures around me!!!! :o
Ah, but I'll help you take it out of the car with your hoist :P
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If the door gaps have changed, there has to be chassis damage!
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If the door gaps have changed, there has to be chassis damage!
just maybe they haver always been like that but i never noticed!!!! difference isnt huge just one is twice the other and there aint no chassis damage that i can see!!! dont forget the towbar is a proper one rated to 3000lbs it bolts to the chassis members and goes to the front of the diff,goes through the floor with another huge plate the other side of it as well its humongously strong!!! :y
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BTW, I bagsie the engine, gearbox etc etc tec ;D
you wouldnt believe how many people have asked me about that :o there are a load of vultures around me!!!! :o
Ah, but I'll help you take it out of the car with your hoist :P
:y :y :y
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If the door gaps have altered, it doesn't look good but on a positive note at least you are OK :y
Agree with both....
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If the door gaps have changed, there has to be chassis damage!
just maybe they haver always been like that but i never noticed!!!! difference isnt huge just one is twice the other and there aint no chassis damage that i can see!!! dont forget the towbar is a proper one rated to 3000lbs it bolts to the chassis members and goes to the front of the diff,goes through the floor with another huge plate the other side of it as well its humongously strong!!! :y
Yep, they can pull it straight and check with the Laser thingy etc, but the car will suffer from uneven tyre wear for the rest of its natural life... sorry but it will never be better than OKeesh. I suggest to take the money and look for a another one.
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it can be repaired ..if the repair is done sensitive and measured in every distance and be the same no unusual tire wears will happen I think..
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it can be repaired ..if the repair is done sensitive and measured in every distance and be the same no unusual tire wears will happen I think..
remember that you are pulling on a steel frame, not working with clay, there is a limit to the fine tuning you can do... the most common problem is that while you end-up having the same distance between the front and rear wheels on both sides of the car, and all four wheels have the correct toe-in/out, there is a slight offset between the front and rear axles.... like so:
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2623/wheelszs3.jpg)
It is practically impossible to have all measurements back to original, and leaving this offset is the least noticeable way to fix the car... it will want to crawl sideways and will end up with odd tyre wear.
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it can be repaired ..if the repair is done sensitive and measured in every distance and be the same no unusual tire wears will happen I think..
remember that you are pulling on a steel frame, not working with clay, there is a limit to the fine tuning you can do... the most common problem is that while you end-up having the same distance between the front and rear wheels on both sides of the car, and all four wheels have the correct toe-in/out, there is a slight offset between the front and rear axles.... like so:
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2623/wheelszs3.jpg)
It is practically impossible to have all measurements back to original, and leaving this offset is the least noticeable way to fix the car... it will want to crawl sideways and will end up with odd tyre wear.
I'm not a professional on that job however, I see these kind of repair shops got some books and lists on different brands measures..if they left some measures unfixed its the shops guilt I think..As I'm an engineer theoriticaly its possible to do too many..
this may not be practical or economical ..yep ..driving big omegas are also..But we like them :y
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Your one presumably, not Mrs Omegatoy's?
I'm afraid they will write it off. And you probably want them to :'(
If the door gaps have closed up, it will need a chat with a jig, and they won't rejig one that age, when (in their eyes) its worth a few hundred quid. My own experience of rejigged cars, they never are quite straight afterwards. Even if they do get it close, they seem to fall out of true within a few months. One of Mrs TB's company car Rovers they rejigged 4 times over the 3 years we had it.
I know you could really do without this right now with everything else going on over next few weeks, but at least you have the LDV :P. Seriously, if you need a car, you are welcome to borrow tractor and learn how to use a proper gearbox.
Thanks dude, but the good news is chassis not damaged as far as i can see from under the car, flor not damaged from under the car, havent found the strength to empty the boot yet to check the floor inside ;D no roof ripples or quarter panel damage :y
bad bits
rear bumper srengthening bar is molded nicely to the shape of the rear and is no longer connected to the outer bumper shell ::) and cracked rear light lens, rear valance under the bumper is slightly dented, plastic clips that hold bumper together are history so not to bad so far when i mt the boot and make a proper check wil let you know
had the insurance company on phone today ,
Hello sir the driver is on his way in your free hire car to collect your car,so we can assess the damage and let you know if its economically viable to repair it
me, you better ring him then and tel him not to bother!!
, I will at my own convenience drive the car to the asessors garage where they can inspect it
in the meantime i have carried out my own checks and the car is perfectly safe to drive ,
This is not how we do it sir for your own safety we take the car away on a low loader and return it after repairs fully valeted and not costing you anything as it is being paid for by the other drivers insurance company so you have no need to do anything else.
me
And if its classed as beyond economic repair?
oh thats all right sir we dispose of it for you and send you the cheque!!
me
The cr is worth a minimum of £1500 to me so send the driver with a cheque and you can then drive it away,
Oh no sir the claims asessor/valuer decides on the amount to be paid,
me
As i was not in anyway shape or form to blame for this accident and have been highly inconvenienced
by it i am fully entitled to have my car returned to its former condition paid for by the other drivers insurance is this right?
I am not sure sir can i get back to you?
Me
certainly but you better tell your driver to turn around before he gets to far!!
look forward to hearig from you good bye
ten mins later phone goes again
hello sir what time would you like to bring the car around so we can have a look at it?
me
see you sat morning
so thats the score so far, no way are they going
to have my car except to fit a new rear bumper!!!
Omegatoy
Just keep in mind with all conversations with them that their insured has admitted liability and they cannot apply their rules to you as if you were their insured. They will give in at the end of the day, if my experience means anything. Do get your own independent assessment also!
My insurance company also offered to help with my negotiations if necessary, but I fought the battle to a successful conclusion myself.
You're in a very strong position in my humble opinion.
And have you seen the doctor yet?
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so thats the score so far, no way are they going
to have my car except to fit a new rear bumper!!!
Omegatoy[/quote]
Just keep in mind with all conversations with them that their insured has admitted liability and they cannot apply their rules to you as if you were their insured. They will give in at the end of the day, if my experience means anything. Do get your own independent assessment also!
My insurance company also offered to help with my negotiations if necessary, but I fought the battle to a successful conclusion myself.
You're in a very strong position in my humble opinion.
And have you seen the doctor yet?
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Must confess i havent as been to busy!!! will get round to it tho!!!