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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: kingplym on 17 July 2009, 15:43:00
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i was remembering reading a post a month or so ago bout one of us oofers who is regularly challenged by a v6 cavalier on his way home which brought a question to my head :-?
which is faster, and why? the cavalier, calibra or Omega? :-/ :-/ :-/
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calibra and cavalier are FWD and 1250-1500kg
omega RWD elite or mv6 spec 1600-1750 kg
the kilograms make big different .
cav. or calibra v6 will win race with any 2.5 v6 omega,
but dont thing will win with 3.0 or 3.2
need to try one day, one of members own cav v6 ,
will ask him for race :D somewhere on private road
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turbo 4*4 calibra will beat all.. ;D
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Have driven a 2.5 auto cav quite a bit, that thing REALLY flies.
I reckon under 60 or so, was quicker than a 3.0 auto omega, never had them head to head though
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It also has a lot to do with the nerves of the driver
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It also has a lot to do with the nerves of the driver
Guess thats true.
However I do often wonder how mine would compare to half the chavs round here...
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It also has a lot to do with the nerves of the driver
Guess thats true.
However I do often wonder how mine would compare to half the chavs round here...
you drive a mig, you wont have to try very hard Lol
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0-60 2.5 v6 manual in a lighter car id say would edge my mig 3.0v6 auto elite(estate), but after that, with the old sports mode on, im confident of an omega victory!!!
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0-60 2.5 v6 manual in a lighter car id say would edge my mig 3.0v6 auto elite(estate), but after that, with the old sports mode on, im confident of an omega victory!!!
Ahmen :y
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Have driven a 2.5 auto cav quite a bit, that thing REALLY flies.
I reckon under 60 or so, was quicker than a 3.0 auto omega, never had them head to head though
It will be quicker, mainly because the Cav has the better power to weight ratio.
Add to that the Cav is smaller, which means you can brake later for the bends and take them quicker as well.
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Have driven a 2.5 auto cav quite a bit, that thing REALLY flies.
I reckon under 60 or so, was quicker than a 3.0 auto omega, never had them head to head though
It will be quicker, mainly because the Cav has the better power to weight ratio.
Add to that the Cav is smaller, which means you can brake later for the bends and take them quicker as well.
all that said, I have had the choice between the 2, give me the omega anyday, far nicer drive. rwd being the best difference.
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I have had both over the years.Had a auto 2.5cdx cavalier,which was really quick but as a comfortable car it did leave a fair bit to be desired.The Omega on the other hand is more like a thicker softer matress and carries its speed more elegantly.
Best description would be .v6 cavalier..pocket rocket with little comfort....v6 omega..smooth/comfortable but not a racer.
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Have driven a 2.5 auto cav quite a bit, that thing REALLY flies.
I reckon under 60 or so, was quicker than a 3.0 auto omega, never had them head to head though
It will be quicker, mainly because the Cav has the better power to weight ratio.
Add to that the Cav is smaller, which means you can brake later for the bends and take them quicker as well.
That I don't know - the Cav is WWD which is a huge problem with cornering.
Yes I have had a WWD follow me into a corner fast when I had a small RWD nearly crash because I braked when he could not
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Nobody's mentioned the 3.0 manual, every little helps mine goes pretty well. I've driven a 2.5 Cav & it was quick as break but hard getting the power down.
Regarding the handling MV6's are a tad lower, firmer & have a lower profile tyre, (Goodyear Eagle F1's are the bollix) plus mine's got lowered Irmy springs on the back & handles if you've got the bottle...ask Ian_D!!! V6 Cavs are a tad heavy at the front end, reckon i could hustle a good 2.0 SRi/ GSi through the twisties quicker.
Just my thoughts, Guy. 8-) :y
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yes, 3.0 chipped manual, great fun :D :D :D :D
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I forgot to mention the chip & de cat exhaust system!! ::)
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I am afraid I have to disagree with you here...
I think a Cav would beat an Omega on corners and twisting roads, certainly quicker off the mark, Pete proved this at York. In a straight line the Omega would no doubt catch up and probably over take given the straight road was long enough.
Guy your car is nice but actually no different than anyone elses MV6, granted is a Manual but Jaime's MV6 auto with 155,000 odd miles on the clock (which is the same as my MV6) beat Dundee's manual on the strip which The Master has played with.... :y
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
Better race it in Touring Cars then ::)
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
Better race it in Touring Cars then ::)
Cant race it in touring cars its over 2 litre pmsl :D :D ;)
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
Better race it in Touring Cars then ::)
Cant race it in touring cars its over 2 litre pmsl :D :D ;)
In which case they should win ;D
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Would have thought the MSD tunes GSi and Super tourer Vectra's would get the nod, being about 200bhp and a fair bit lighter than our barges. Aparently they were supposed to be well sorted on the twisty stuff with the 17's and 215's.
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mine doesnt sturggle to beat the chicken paxos that think they can beat me when there on my bumper down the daul caridgeway the other night looks like he drove threw halfords showroom lol shows the power when they put drum brakes on the rear just thought id have a rant
am i correct in saying the 3.0 v6 is 210 bhp standard correct me if im wrong
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
It's a mint car I tell you that much :y
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shows the power when they put drum brakes on the rear
The type of brakes fitted (disc or drum) is no indication whatsoever of how much power a vehicle has, or how well it is likely to perform.
In fact, the rears are only responsible for 25% or so of the stopping power when you apply the brakes....it's the fronts that do the majority of the work.
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Omega (particularly manual) can get the power down better, so may initially get going faster that the FWD ones. Also, the better multiram system will help here. Once rolling, the better power to weight of the chavaliers will show, particularly against the 2.5 Omegas. The 3.0 will probably outrun still.
With cars of this age, its down to how well the engine has been maintained though.
My MV6 auto has done a 0-60 in 7.7s, I reckon a manual box on an engine in similar condition should manage a 7s.
Lastly, the 3.2 GSi veccy isn't slow in a straight line once you have it in 2nd gear. That may beat the lot.
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I am afraid I have to disagree with you here...
I think a Cav would beat an Omega on corners and twisting roads, certainly quicker off the mark, Pete proved this at York. In a straight line the Omega would no doubt catch up and probably over take given the straight road was long enough.
Guy your car is nice but actually no different than anyone elses MV6, granted is a Manual but Jaime's MV6 auto with 155,000 odd miles on the clock (which is the same as my MV6) beat Dundee's manual on the strip which The Master has played with.... :y
Not a chance, the Omega will leave the cav for dust in any tight corners
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i had a 2.5 V6 vectra st200 which i then spent 3K on with courtenay bits, i still think any of my mv6's would have been as quick of the mark if not a hair sharper and definately beat it up the gears, My personal preference is the 3.0 V6 as it revs harder than the 3.2's and in my experience doesnt suck the juice quite as much :P
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I had a lovely Cavalier V6 auto (Diplomat) a few years back, and that certainly shifted.....but I reckon - as per most others here - that the 3.0 V6 Omega should have the edge over a reasonable stretch..... For sure, the power-to-weight would swing the balance in the Cav/Cal favour up to circa. 40-60 let's say, but I think that the Omega would begin to strecth its legs beyond that.
My Elite is a manual and I think gearing may be another issues here, i.e. 2nd goes nicely past 60 and 3rd past 90......
And as for windy stuff, although the Omega is big and heavy, RWD with the right driver ftw !
That said, our other car is a Seat Toledo Turbo, and that is a whole different kettle of fish ::)
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I forgot to mention the chip & de cat exhaust system!! ::)
Chav ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Omega (particularly manual) can get the power down better, so may initially get going faster that the FWD ones. Also, the better multiram system will help here. Once rolling, the better power to weight of the chavaliers will show, particularly against the 2.5 Omegas. The 3.0 will probably outrun still.
With cars of this age, its down to how well the engine has been maintained though.
My MV6 auto has done a 0-60 in 7.7s, I reckon a manual box on an engine in similar condition should manage a 7s.
Lastly, the 3.2 GSi veccy isn't slow in a straight line once you have it in 2nd gear. That may beat the lot.
Totally agree with that straight line speed of a 3.2 veccy c is big style fast :o
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I had a 2000 Vectra 2.5 v6 sri (167bhp?) before i bought the omega, both cars standard. The omega is faster 0-60 and top end but the vectra was a better handling car.
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I had a 2000 Vectra 2.5 v6 sri (167bhp?) before i bought the omega, both cars standard. The omega is faster 0-60 and top end but the vectra was a better handling car.
Don't agree with better handling on a veccy A, horrible things to drive.
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I had a 2000 Vectra 2.5 v6 sri (167bhp?) before i bought the omega, both cars standard. The omega is faster 0-60 and top end but the vectra was a better handling car.
In which case your omega is broken ;) - I've driven enough 2.5 Vectra-B's to know what they are like on a selection of difficult bends...
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I had a 2000 Vectra 2.5 v6 sri (167bhp?) before i bought the omega, both cars standard. The omega is faster 0-60 and top end but the vectra was a better handling car.
Don't agree with better handling on a veccy A, horrible things to drive.
err, its a vectra-b ;). vectra-a was called chavalier in this country
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I had a 2000 Vectra 2.5 v6 sri (167bhp?) before i bought the omega, both cars standard. The omega is faster 0-60 and top end but the vectra was a better handling car.
Don't agree with better handling on a veccy A, horrible things to drive.
err, its a vectra-b ;). vectra-a was called chavalier in this country
Fair point, well made ;D
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can some one remind me please of the bhp and torque of the 3.0 and 3.2 :y
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I am afraid I have to disagree with you here...
I think a Cav would beat an Omega on corners and twisting roads, certainly quicker off the mark, Pete proved this at York. In a straight line the Omega would no doubt catch up and probably over take given the straight road was long enough.
Guy your car is nice but actually no different than anyone elses MV6, granted is a Manual but Jaime's MV6 auto with 155,000 odd miles on the clock (which is the same as my MV6) beat Dundee's manual on the strip which The Master has played with.... :y
You're right Daz. The exhaust/chip/duccie kit makes little if any difference over standard, i just like it!! I was happily surprised by Pete's little MX5, they don't feel that quick but they're nippy little tinkers & they handle a treat. However one of the main points was handling & as you, TB & myself know the MV6's handle better than other Migs so in a real race as oppose to a drag the MV6 can hold it's own.
Still think V6 Cavs & Veccies are a little heavy on the front end handling wise. ::) :D
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I am afraid I have to disagree with you here...
I think a Cav would beat an Omega on corners and twisting roads, certainly quicker off the mark, Pete proved this at York. In a straight line the Omega would no doubt catch up and probably over take given the straight road was long enough.
Guy your car is nice but actually no different than anyone elses MV6, granted is a Manual but Jaime's MV6 auto with 155,000 odd miles on the clock (which is the same as my MV6) beat Dundee's manual on the strip which The Master has played with.... :y
You're right Daz. The exhaust/chip/duccie kit makes little if any difference over standard, i just like it!! I was happily surprised by Pete's little MX5, they don't feel that quick but they're nippy little tinkers & they handle a treat. However one of the main points was handling & as you, TB & myself know the MV6's handle better than other Migs so in a real race as oppose to a drag the MV6 can hold it's own.
Still think V6 Cavs & Veccies are a little heavy on the front end handling wise. ::) :D
P.S. Mikes car is COOL but 2.6 not 3.0. 8-)
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How about an Omega 3.0 engine in an Astra mk2 ->1000kg roughly? Hehe once the powers in at the ground then its gotta pull hardly any weight! Presuming the bloody thing is running correctly :p
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How about an Omega 3.0 engine in an Astra mk2 ->1000kg roughly? Hehe once the powers in at the ground then its gotta pull hardly any weight! Presuming the bloody thing is running correctly :p
I remember both MkIIs I had - a 1.8GLSi Belmont and a 2.0GTE, neither could get their modest power down, I bet yours will be REALLY interesting ;D :y
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I remember both MkIIs I had - a 1.8GLSi Belmont and a 2.0GTE, neither could get their modest power down, I bet yours will be REALLY interesting ;D :y
Hehe true that! Need to be really in 2nd before WOT can be achieved! But an LSD makes the world of difference, another AstraMk2OC member has one installed and its impressive.......... one day!
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
It's a mint car I tell you that much :y
Thanks Del, nice to hear good comments about your own car, yes she is a clean car for the year and gets pampered often....
Andy :y
Ps Just got back from my brothers Wedding and all is well regarding the Omega....
Have a Y reg 2.5 CDX also with the same issue if you want to look at this one too before i break it :y
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I have 263 BHP
and 229 lb/ft
so i would class my beast as pretty quick :y
It's a mint car I tell you that much :y
Thanks Del, nice to hear good comments about your own car, yes she is a clean car for the year and gets pampered often....
Andy :y
Ps Just got back from my brothers Wedding and all is well regarding the Omega....
Have a Y reg 2.5 CDX also with the same issue if you want to look at this one too before i break it :y
Ok mate doing a few more checks at the moment, will PM tonight with info etc :y