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Title: 3.2 cambelt when?
Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:02:01: hi there, got a 3.2 mv6 estate manual special, ex rozzer. 126000 miles. cam belt 80k, collision investigatin unit, hid headlights, vented disks back and front, hard springs. traction control switch reactivated( they cut the wires). when does the belt need doing again? how much? and i like to do all my work myself. oh and common faults.
cheers
geth
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Post by: alexandjen on 23 July 2009, 23:03:44: Quote
hi there, got a 3.2 mv6 estate manual special, ex rozzer. 126000 miles. cam belt 80k, collision investigatin unit, hid headlights, vented disks back and front, hard springs. traction control switch reactivated( they cut the wires). when does the belt need doing again? how much? and i like to do all my work myself. oh and common faults.
cheers
geth

40,000 miles or 4 years :y
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:06:19: sh*******t
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Post by: Entwood on 23 July 2009, 23:06:49: Needs doing its 6000 miles overdue .. :(
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:08:57: on history police do it at 80k intervals but i aint happy with that
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Post by: Entwood on 23 July 2009, 23:12:22: It was originaly 80K .. changed by vauxhall because of the large number of failures I believe.

It's not the belt itself that goes .. but the adjuster bearings go, the pulleys seize, the belt jumps a few teeth, the pistons meet the valves ....

So not just new adjusters but rebuilt heads and possibly new pistons ... gets very, very expensive ...

solution .. change the belt and the adjusters.

:y :y :y :y
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:13:22: cheers i get trade, autobahnstormers member. whats the mothership price? any ideas?
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Post by: alexandjen on 23 July 2009, 23:15:58: Quote
cheers i get trade, autobahnstormers member. whats the mothership price? any ideas?

£103.08 plus vat on Trade Club
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:17:09: entwood cheers i was told the pulleys fail before the belt. better pulleys needed, i think
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:19:22: help i cant keep up with this alexandjen is that kit or belt change?
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Post by: alexandjen on 23 July 2009, 23:21:17: Quote
help i cant keep up with this alexandjen is that kit or belt change?

Sorry, that's for the kit which includes belt, pullys and tensioner :y
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Post by: Entwood on 23 July 2009, 23:21:43: and BTW you MUST use the correct kit to set it up... stick your location in your profile .. you might find someone near you with one. There is also a DVD available from the shop with all the instructions to do the job..
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Post by: Andy B on 23 July 2009, 23:21:45: Quote
help i cant keep up with this alexandjen is that kit or belt change?

kit! ;) :y :y
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:27:37: sorry this forum is different the the welding one i use, cant find location in the options but it is nr yeovil ill look harder.
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Post by: Entwood on 23 July 2009, 23:33:20: mmm... I've got a V6 cam locking kit, but not the DVd and I've never done the job... :( Swindon is a tad far but if there's no-one nearer to you... I'll be in West Croker in September but I expect you'll want the job done well before then !!!

Location is : User CP (tab at the top), Profile (tab), edit profile, enter password, then second box from the bottom... click save changes .. :)
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:41:46: west coker is very close( 6 mile) if you have the time ive got the tea and coffee, food etc, and ill take it easy till then. how is the tension worked out?
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Post by: Entwood on 23 July 2009, 23:47:09: As I said .. I've never done the job or seen the DVD ... I'll be in West Coker for a meeting so would only be able to drop the kit off. If you can get a kit from elsewhere and do the job sooner I would strongly advise that .. at 6000 miles overdue you are into borrowed time and the result could be horrible .. :(
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:51:22: i dread having to take it vauxhall but it might be cheaper than buying the tools, sometimes they do suprize me, they are expensive on some things but stupidly cheap on others!
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Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 23 July 2009, 23:53:40: Quote
i dread having to take it vauxhall but it might be cheaper than buying the tools, sometimes they do suprize me, they are expensive on some things but stupidly cheap on others!

Vauxhall will take your pants down then grease you up :( not much change out off £600 for cambelt kit & water pump I'm afraid :o
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 23 July 2009, 23:58:16: dont want that to happen really, right myself it is. i aint worried about locking it( but it is handy, if not line all the marks up). its the tension im worried about is it the same still 90 degree twist on the longest run????
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Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 24 July 2009, 00:01:03: Quote
dont want that to happen really, right myself it is. i aint worried about locking it( but it is handy, if not line all the marks up). its the tension im worried about is it the same still 90 degree twist on the longest run????

If you don't use the proper locking kit you are asking for trouble mate :-?
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 24 July 2009, 00:02:17: sh***t not like the 1.6 16v motor then?
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 24 July 2009, 00:02:27: Quote
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dont want that to happen really, right myself it is. i aint worried about locking it( but it is handy, if not line all the marks up). its the tension im worried about is it the same still 90 degree twist on the longest run????

If you don't use the proper locking kit you are asking for trouble mate :-?

Fully agree
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Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 24 July 2009, 00:06:39: Quote
sh***t not like the 1.6 16v motor then?

No totally different. You could end up with bent valves etc if you don't use a locking kit, the same really as if you didn't have it done :-?
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Post by: albitz on 24 July 2009, 05:38:39: Get the dvd from OOF shop,then either beg/steal/borrow a locking kit or contact Darth Bog Roll or Jamesv6cdx,they are both travelling mechanics who have done lots of v6 cambelts.
wouldnt go near VX personally,apart from the extortionate prices they have been known to get it wrong.
you really need to get this done ASAP,as said your engine is living on borrowed time at the moment,in fact it would be advisable not to use it if you can possibly help it.There are v6 omegas on ebay which go for peanuts quite often because the cambelt/tensioners have let go.
edit, should read darth l o o k n e e ::) ;D
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Post by: TheBoy on 24 July 2009, 09:15:13: There will be more DVDs in the shop by this afternoon, highly recommended :y

As others have said, you cannot do the GM v6 properly without the locking/timing kit, unlike most other engines out there.
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 02 August 2009, 05:07:19: right then here goes, got locking kit, got full range of torx, got torque wrench, got the kit, mine is a late engine where the bottom ecentric cam has been replaced with a plain roller. just wait for the large explosion.(anyone got a full set of good valve out there)? i also have from my friendly vx place the range of engine numbers and what kit each uses. was trained as a british steel fitter about two decades ago, so gonna have a go. if it works ill say on here, if it dont ill keep my head down forever!!! :-/
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 02 August 2009, 20:51:04: all done! ran about for a while then gave it some beans all seems ok :) ( may explode later on) :(. the tensioner is a pig. locking kit in somerset if anyone needs to borrow it. :y
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Post by: alexandjen on 02 August 2009, 20:54:22: Quote
all done! ran about for a while then gave it some beans all seems ok :) ( may explode later on) :(. the tensioner is a pig. locking kit in somerset if anyone needs to borrow it. :y

Well Done :y :y
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Post by: Del Boy on 02 August 2009, 21:10:06: Quote
all done! ran about for a while then gave it some beans all seems ok :) ( may explode later on) :(. the tensioner is a pig. locking kit in somerset if anyone needs to borrow it. :y
Good work mate :y
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Post by: feeutfo on 03 August 2009, 10:14:01: Quote
all done! ran about for a while then gave it some beans all seems ok :) ( may explode later on) :(. the tensioner is a pig. locking kit in somerset if anyone needs to borrow it. :y
What was the trouble with the tensioner? I guess a large cranked ring spanner was required?
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Post by: dbug on 03 August 2009, 19:17:42: Quote
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all done! ran about for a while then gave it some beans all seems ok :) ( may explode later on) :(. the tensioner is a pig. locking kit in somerset if anyone needs to borrow it. :y
What was the trouble with the tensioner? I guess a large cranked ring spanner was required?

Not on the tensioner!!
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 03 August 2009, 19:20:51: cheers old boy, only one thats said it! thought i did well(myself) but its an easy job, judging by the reponse!
geth
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 03 August 2009, 19:28:50: nope the ring is easy have loads of old whitworth spanners, fitted nicely. its the fact u cant keep the allen key in while torquing, bloody tensioner moves, need a real thin wall socket to do it. in the end got pissed off and used the old torque wrench arm, with the allen in. undid and didup a few bolts(with the torque wrench) to get the feel of how tight it should be.
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 09 August 2009, 23:45:33: still going, no funny noises etc, 1000miles later!
very happy
geth
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 August 2009, 08:46:07: Sounds like more money saved in your pocket, rather than in some scotbag dealer's hand :y

Not a bad job really, though initially daunting :y
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Post by: 3.2 manual on 11 August 2009, 22:57:52: yer your right, when you take the fornt off its...oh shat, i read about it before hand and still thought oh shat. then it wasnt bad. i checked the marks about fifteen times. aint destroyed itself yet. funny thing is after i did it wont as quick, 1500miles later its back. does the belt need to wear in? or is it me. the marks were ever so slightly out of line with the new belt. odd i know!
cheers
geth