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Title: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 28 July 2009, 19:22:51

Can anybody tell me if the '99 MV6 is considered to be the "lowered sports chassis" or what exactly the "lowered sports chassis" is ?
Apparently it makes a difference as to which steering drag link is suitable....

Thanks

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: TheBoy on 28 July 2009, 21:56:32

Retail MV6 is, 'Special' (ie, ex-plod) MV6 may or may not be (lots of variations on the ex-plod ones)

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: feeutfo on 28 July 2009, 23:53:04

i am under the impression,re 3.2, that plod is stiffer than customer mv6. I have plod, which could be any variation, and find it "crashy" over bumps, was hoping it would be more like the customer mv6 3.2 as another members on here, totally differant and better ride quality. Although will reserve judgment until i get rid of these crap tyres.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: GastronomicKleptomaniac on 29 July 2009, 09:05:46

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i am under the impression,re 3.2, that plod is stiffer than customer mv6. I have plod, which could be any variation, and find it "crashy" over bumps, was hoping it would be more like the customer mv6 3.2 as another members on here, totally differant and better ride quality. Although will reserve judgment until i get rid of these crap tyres.

 Mine's an ex-plod 3.0, you can tell it sits lower than a standard poverty-spec car. My ride isn't crashy though, just firm... body control over speed bumps is excellent.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: sparkyw666. on 29 July 2009, 11:47:27

my mv6 is far to soft seen skodas go round corners at speed better than my mig :(

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 29 July 2009, 15:46:11

OK, so it appears that I can't buy the centre steering link from a motor factor for my car, I guess the only option is Vauxhalls, bet that's gonna cost me.... :-(

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: TheBoy on 29 July 2009, 18:34:26

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my mv6 is far to soft seen skodas go round corners at speed better than my mig :(

Never. If that is the case, something is wrong.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 29 July 2009, 18:48:46

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OK, so it appears that I can't buy the centre steering link from a motor factor for my car, I guess the only option is Vauxhalls, bet that's gonna cost me.... :-(

This one states "Except lowered sports chassis", but I still can't see a reason why it's not suitable. :-/ 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-Steering-centre-bar-tie-rod-drag-link_W0QQitemZ250440097819QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3a4f64a01b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 29 July 2009, 20:10:40

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This one states "Except lowered sports chassis", but I still can't see a reason why it's not suitable.   
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-Steering-centre-bar-tie-rod-drag-link_W0QQi...

Me neither but the "except lowered sports chassis" thing bothers me....

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: TheBoy on 29 July 2009, 20:28:03

sports chassis takes a different centre tie rod.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 29 July 2009, 22:46:12

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sports chassis takes a different centre tie rod.

So the centre tie rod on MV6's differ from all other Miggys.
Ok, but why ?  MV6 shocks and springs are different, but I thought that was it. If there is a difference then surely it would be beneficial to change the C.T.R and any related components when lowering a non MV6 Mig. 
 :-/

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: feeutfo on 29 July 2009, 23:30:16

centre tie rod? Am i being thick again?

Have also seen Markdtm mention mv6 has thicker anti roll bars....? But not sure if plod only or all mv6 models.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 30 July 2009, 00:18:10

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centre tie rod? Am i being thick again?

Have also seen Markdtm mention mv6 has thicker anti roll bars....? But not sure if plod only or all mv6 models.

This thing...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-Steering-centre-bar-tie-rod-drag-link_W0QQi... 
 :y

Edit: Doh !  Listing removed   ::)

Edit(again): http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-Steering-centre-bar-tie-rod-drag-link_W0QQitemZ250440097819QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3a4f64a01b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: feeutfo on 30 July 2009, 09:18:03

oh yeah, that thing.
Am always a bit wary of there descriptions esp if non vx who dont always get it right themselves.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: i260 on 30 July 2009, 16:39:29

'99 - prefacelift?

These as std had a normal suspension, it wasn't until the facelift that the -15mm chassis was introduced. You should be have some idea if it was a plod car. Post a pic and somebody will soon tell you if it is sitting low for a '99 model.

The twist on this is that irmscher offered a -30mm kit which i am led to belive uses eibach or billie shox.

Post a pic to start and masure from the arch lip to the centre of the wheel.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 30 July 2009, 20:13:22

It definately has lowered springs, I fitted them. I just need to replace the centre steering arm with the correct one, maybe I should go for the lowered spec arm regardless ? I assume this arm has relocated track rod location points to reduce bump steer with lowered suspension.... Problem is, this arm doesn't appear to be commonly available..

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 30 July 2009, 20:25:10

Pictures now bumped to the front of the gallery.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 30 July 2009, 20:41:16

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It definately has lowered springs, I fitted them. I just need to replace the centre steering arm with the correct one, maybe I should go for the lowered spec arm regardless ? I assume this arm has relocated track rod location points to reduce bump steer with lowered suspension.... Problem is, this arm doesn't appear to be commonly available..

I fitted my '94 Elite with 40mm lower springs and standard height, slightly up-rated Monroe shocks. That's all. Didn't change any other steering components. No need. It handled really well. A huge improvement.

What makes you say you need to change to this "lowered spec" C.T.R ?
If there are no issues, then don't go fixing something that isn't broken.  :y

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 30 July 2009, 21:43:34

I only need to change it because one of the ball joints has play in it, otherwise it was fine.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 30 July 2009, 22:48:46

Are you sure it's not the normal one you need ?  :-/  After all, if you lowered the car yourself, then it's not the "lowered sports chassis" originally.

Edit:  :-? Hang on...one of the ball joints does move, the other is fixed.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 03 August 2009, 20:45:08

No, I'm not sure which one I need, hence the original question...
And of corse they both move, otherwise there would be no point having them  :-?

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 03 August 2009, 21:01:23

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No, I'm not sure which one I need, hence the original question...
And of corse they both move, otherwise there would be no point having them  :-?

I changed mine a few months back. Both the original and replacement item had one side that moved, the other side looked like a ball joint but was solid.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 03 August 2009, 21:08:31

Well I can't disagree as I haven't looked at one off of the car, but it sounds very strange as both joints must have to move when the steering is turned ?

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 03 August 2009, 22:30:07

Yep, that's what I thought too.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 04 August 2009, 12:47:40

Did you buy a GM one or a pattern ?

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 04 August 2009, 20:36:34

GM, but 2nd hand. Got it from
http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Omega-Spare-Parts-Call-0770-6495877__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Very helpful chap  :y

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 16 August 2009, 22:09:39

OK, finally got to the bottom of this, for anyone who finds themselves in the same situation, the "Lower sports chassis" refers to certain versions of the face lift model only, so if like me you have a pre-face lift model, the commonly available part fits :-)
BTW only £56 delivered from Buypartsby and looks like a quality piece too.

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 16 August 2009, 22:40:43

Good price  :y  £85 is about the average. I think I paid £14.00 (ex. p&p) for my 2nd hand jobbie.
Incedently, is one side fixed solid and the other a ball joint ?   

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Glenn on 18 August 2009, 14:07:29

Yes, you're absolutely right, one side is a ball joint, the other just a pivot, strange but true.
Drives much better now  :)

Title: Re: Lowered sports chassis ??
Post by: Turk on 18 August 2009, 18:48:39

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Yes, you're absolutely right, one side is a ball joint, the other just a pivot, strange but true.
Drives much better now  :)

Yep, I sat and looked at it for while too. Didn't help that I had a 2nd hand jobbie, so couldn't be 100% certain it was not worn.
Much more play in my original and the chappy said he'd checked it, so on it went. 
Glad to hear you're sorted  :y