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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: geoffr70 on 06 October 2009, 23:02:23
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Hello I've just got an Omega 3.0 MV6 Elite Auto. It's got the air suspension but doesn't seem to be working as it bounces all over (especially after speed bumps), understeers, and doesn't handle too well (my Senator was better). There is
also a residue coming from the rear shocks. Is it broken and how much will it cost to fix? Shall I replace the whole lot with Bilstein suspension rendering the ride height adjustment inoperable? Any help appreciated, Thanks.
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could be the compresser has gone, have you checked the fuse's :y and sounds like the seal has gone my need a new 1 depending on what colour its.
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self levelling shocks failed. Mine went the same way, oil leaked out and lost all damping. Back started banging as the wheels bounced off the road surface, and loss of grip was noticeable.
Trouble is only vx make the self level shocks and they aint cheap. £300 for the pair or 150 a pair with a trade club card, see link at the bottom of my post for the abs trade club card. It 20 sobs p.a. But well worth it, other items from vx are well cheap like oil and plugs etc.
Or you could just fit standard shocks and pull the self level fuse, but you'll also loose the rear 12v socket which runs off that fuse as well. Or it does on mine anyway.
Hth :-)
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There's a pair of omega air shocks on flee bay for sale at £189 at the moment.
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There's a pair of omega air shocks on flee bay for sale at £189 at the moment.
They're cheaper than that from Vauxhall aren't they :-/ .... on Trade Club :y
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try these £15 new inc vat http://www.carpartsconnexion.com/vauxhall/partdetail.asp?dp=49707&f=Vauxhall&q=shocks&m=OMEGA&y=Any+year&cat=0& This is a genuine, new, fully-guaranteed original Vauxhall part, supplied by an approved Vauxhall franchised dealer. there is another one on there £21. :y
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There's a pair of omega air shocks on flee bay for sale at £189 at the moment.
They're cheaper than that from Vauxhall aren't they :-/ .... on Trade Club :y
Flee bay item 230232503729Comes with pipes and air gauge and valve so you can adjust the pressure with a airline.Might not work with the compressor on a miggy.so your self levelling wont work.I have these Monroes fitted to a Caddy Seville years ago and they worked better than the standard Caddy air shocks. £189.00 plus p&p at £19.99
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Rusty - those are keen prices for VX none self levelling shock absorbers.
My take is that there are three options open to anyone with self levelling rear suspension.
1. Fit Vx replacement shocks preferably after getting them through TC.
2. Dispense with the self levelling as said above by disabling the compressor and fitting standard none levelling shocks from whatever supplier. There are plenty of recommendations on here.
3. Fit "gas" shocks like these 200255504662 on the bay uk. for £90 plus postage. As I understand it you manually inflate those at an airline for carrying big loads and then let the pressure down for trolling around lightly loaded.
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Are the steel springs fitted to a car with self levelling suspension weaker than standard? If you choose option 2. then do you also need to fit heavier springs?
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Rusty - those are keen prices for VX none self levelling shock absorbers.
My take is that there are three options open to anyone with self levelling rear suspension.
1. Fit Vx replacement shocks preferably after getting them through TC.
2. Dispense with the self levelling as said above by disabling the compressor and fitting standard none levelling shocks from whatever supplier. There are plenty of recommendations on here.
3. Fit "gas" shocks like these 200255504662 on the bay uk. for £90 plus postage. As I understand it you manually inflate those at an airline for carrying big loads and then let the pressure down for trolling around lightly loaded.
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Yes they ae and they also have other stock it not on site, givethem a ring and they may make you a good deal, just got some parts of them today genuine parts at good prices :y
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Are the steel springs fitted to a car with self levelling suspension weaker than standard? If you choose option 2. then do you also need to fit heavier springs?
Funny you should say that, i fitted mv6 suspension to mine with new mv6 rear shocks about 3 months ago. But i never fitted the rear mv6 springs,never got round to it, so it was left with elite springs, and all else was mv6.
Anyway, the back was sitting a bit low, nothing major, about 10cm lower than the front this got worse when loaded, and the back was a bit choppy so i re fitted the self levelers just before Newent, also wanted my rear 12v pocket back. I left the old mv6 shocks in the garage standing the correct way up in the corner of the garage. Point is i've just noticed, when out there today, they are both leaking oil. Looks like they have both failed. Never noticed this when i removed them.
This would imply that mv6 shocks and probably stock shocks(?) dont work with elite springs which are softer from what i gather, like you say.
Seems too great a coincidence for both to fail in the same way....
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Ok thanks everyone for your advice. Think I'll get the air shocks on ebay. Will I need new springs aswell ( will they have been damaged or affected somehow due to the lack of damping? ) Thanks again.
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Ok thanks everyone for your advice. Think I'll get the air shocks on ebay. Will I need new springs aswell ( will they have been damaged or affected somehow due to the lack of damping? ) Thanks again.
If you know someone with a Trade Club :-/ :-/ ;) card they could buy the proper OE dampers for less.
Depends where in the counrty you are. :y
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Ok thanks everyone for your advice. Think I'll get the air shocks on ebay. Will I need new springs aswell ( will they have been damaged or affected somehow due to the lack of damping? ) Thanks again.
Springs will be fine. But it would seem matching the damping rate is important maybe? With that in mind, would suggest sticking to the original parts.
If you fill in your profile with your location maybe a member with a trade club card near you can buy them on your behalf.
Or subscribe yourself using the link at the bottom of my post. Card costs £20 pa via direct debit and gives major savings on most serviceable items. That would give you your self levelling shocks with the cars existing system and a tc card for £170.
They are very easy to fit diy. 15 mill top nut and 22 mill bottom bolt iirc and the air line is a very simple clip :-)
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self levelling shocks failed. Mine went the same way, oil leaked out and lost all damping. Back started banging as the wheels bounced off the road surface, and loss of grip was noticeable.
Trouble is only vx make the self level shocks and they aint cheap. £300 for the pair or 150 a pair with a trade club card, see link at the bottom of my post for the abs trade club card. It 20 sobs p.a. But well worth it, other items from vx are well cheap like oil and plugs etc.
Or you could just fit standard shocks and pull the self level fuse, but you'll also loose the rear 12v socket which runs off that fuse as well. Or it does on mine anyway.
Hth :-)
Hi all,
Just like to say what a fabulous forum this is for some really helpfull info for the less experienced Mig owners.
I've been searching for info on Self levelling set up and came across this thread above. I haven't had my Elite that long and am working my way round finding out why the previous owner probably decided it was time to pass it on - hay ho too late now...
Anyway - I've checked today to see if the self levelling is working properly - as per the very helpful guide in the maint section (by removing the link arm on the sensor underneath) - and absolutely no movement at all. So question: how do you tell if it's the pump, air line or shocks that are leaking ?
Now I've noticed on the thread above that by removing a fuse you can disable the self levelling - coincidentally I've found out this week that the rear 12v socket isn't working but hadn't thought to relate it to this until now.
So back to my previous question - assuming the fuse is why the above test didn't work in the first place - where is it and what am I looking for when I've put it back in and the above test still soesn't work - pump or shocks ? :-X
Cheers
Ian.
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..... assuming the fuse is why the above test didn't work in the first place - where is it and what am I looking for when I've put it back in and the above test still soesn't work - pump or shocks ? :-X
Cheers
Ian.
Fuse box under the steering wheel .... :y Fuse 27
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf Page 187 :y :y
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as Andy says, fuse 27.
Usual reason to pull the fuse is another shock type fitted, other than self levelling. Therefor no need for the self level pump to run.
Or if there is a problem with the system and it runs continuously due to a leak or whatever....
Have a look at the rear shock body between wheel arch and wheel. If you can see the air pipe connector clip on the shock it has self leveling shocks fitted, which would imply a problem if self levelling is not working.
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Thanks Chrisgixer, Andy,
Just checked and fuse 27 is in tact and not blown, it definitely has the self levelling shocks - there is a pipe connection clearly visible on each side. So is it likely to be the pump - should I be able to hear it running. Is it easy enough to see or get at ? Doesn't explain why the 12v socket in the rear isn't working though ??
Based on split half troubleshooting - we have the fuse, we have the shocks - pump next ?
Cheers
Ian.
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are you sure your checking the correct fuse number?
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are you sure your checking the correct fuse number?
Definitely 27 - matches the illustration on the cover and in the handbook - I treble checked it as I was expecting it to be missing or blown. According to the handbook Fuse 15 is also Level Control - but everything else that's fitted it refers to is working fine..
There are a few gaps - I'll check tomorrow which ones they are.
Thanks
Ian.
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.... we have the fuse, we have the shocks - pump next ?
Cheers
Ian.
The self leveling shockers were missing from mine when I bought mine. Whoever had removed them had left the fuse in place but unplugged the compressor :-? :-? :-?
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.... we have the fuse, we have the shocks - pump next ?
Cheers
Ian.
The self leveling shockers were missing from mine when I bought mine. Whoever had removed them had left the fuse in place but unplugged the compressor :-? :-? :-?
Thanks Andy - can I ask where the compressor is located - can you get to it/see it fairly easily - should you be able to hear it ?
Checked the fuse panel again - the only ones missing seem to make sense compared to the spec of the car (coolant heater has me puzzled though - what is that when it's fitted ?). I'm also still puzzled why the rear power socket isn't working as the fuse is OK.
Just in case it is me being stupid - is the expectation when you remove the sensor link on the rear suspension arm and move the actuator up towards it's end stop - the car will pump itself up within a few seconds - I assume I don't have to hang around for 5 minutes...
Cheers
Ian
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.... we have the fuse, we have the shocks - pump next ?
Cheers
Ian.
The self leveling shockers were missing from mine when I bought mine. Whoever had removed them had left the fuse in place but unplugged the compressor :-? :-? :-?
Thanks Andy - can I ask where the compressor is located - can you get to it/see it fairly easily - should you be able to hear it ?
Checked the fuse panel again - the only ones missing seem to make sense compared to the spec of the car (coolant heater has me puzzled though - what is that when it's fitted ?). I'm also still puzzled why the rear power socket isn't working as the fuse is OK.
Just in case it is me being stupid - is the expectation when you remove the sensor link on the rear suspension arm and move the actuator up towards it's end stop - the car will pump itself up within a few seconds - I assume I don't have to hang around for 5 minutes...
Cheers
Ian
The compressor is under the front bumper, driver's side & is only easy to see get at if you've driven the car up a pair of ramps. ;)
Coolant heater? I can only assume it's something like a Kenloe heater that will preheat the coolant in very cold climates .... Sweden Norway etc
I can't say about the rear ciggy socket, I think facelift must be different from earlier prefacelift cars (like mine) cos mine is powered up as the front one with the ignition. If your fuse is OK have you a problem elsewherein the loom to the rear ciggy lighter.
I've never played wit the level switches, but I would expect the compressor to run quite soon after moving the level switch. I can hear my compressor will kick in after a minute or so of starting the car.
Have you put a new fuse in or checked your old one with a multi-meter? I've recently had a problem with a circuit in my caravan, I was convinced the fuse was OK (same blade type) - it looked it OK but the circuit was dead. I eventually tested the fuse ...... and it was duff! :-?
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the pump can be heard in the back ground of the pedal trick video under "paperclip test" in maintenance section, if that helps i.d. it.
Maybe swap the fuse with a known good one of the same colour.