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		Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Proz on 16 January 2010, 12:47:05
		
			
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				I understand the ac cuts out below 5 degrees or so ... car was steaming up badly earlier on despite ac on and set at 22 degrees on AUTO and NOT on re-cycle .....admitedly it was raining hard and temp was between 1-3 degrees ...it has had a new carbon/pollen filter a month ago .... i just dont remember it steaming up so much even when temp was down to -16 a week or so ago .... skuttle is clear as are the rear vents , carpets are dry as well .... am i missing the point of ac ? ... i thought it would still function and de-humidify any incoming air to stop steam up .... it was the same on ECO... :-/
 
 
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				I understand the ac cuts out below 5 degrees or so ... car was steaming up badly earlier on despite ac on and set at 22 degrees on AUTO and NOT on re-cycle .....admitedly it was raining hard and temp was between 1-3 degrees ...it has had a new carbon/pollen filter a month ago .... i just dont remember it steaming up so much even when temp was down to -16 a week or so ago .... skuttle is clear as are the rear vents , carpets are dry as well .... am i missing the point of ac ? ... i thought it would still function and de-humidify any incoming air to stop steam up .... it was the same on ECO... :-/
 
 
 yes i remember your previos post, did the new polen filter improve things?
 
 seem to remember having to hit the demist button once ir twice on mine in the cold spell even when well warm in the cabin.
 
 Wondering if the ac is working, has it been re gassed to your knowledge?
 
 
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				New pollen filter did make a big difference  :y ....I did have it checked and re-gassed by Kwik Fit  :-[ 3 or 4 months ago .... give them there due it was fine afterwards ( and i got it cheap as i knew one of them ) ..... is there a way to check its working if outside temp is about +3 ??  PS the fan in front of the radiator isnt coming on either like it used to when ac turned on or is that just because its low temperature today  :-/
			
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				Anyone any ideas  :-/
			
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				Sounds daft, but you could always warm the temp sender up with a hairdryer or hot towel.
 Al
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				Sounds daft, but you could always warm the temp sender up with a hairdryer or hot towel.
 Al
 I actually did think about that but i dont think i have a long enough extention lead to get close enough.... nice idea though  :y
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				How long an extension do you need for a warm towel
 Al
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				Yeah i think i'll try that .... try and ram it down round the sensor. :y
			
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				Sure the sensor is on the bottom lip of the bumper, easily reached from underneath.
 Al
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				Sure the sensor is on the bottom lip of the bumper, easily reached from underneath.
 Al
 
 Yeah it was one of the first jobs i did on this car ... it was faulty when i got it .
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				Hope you get it sorted.
 Al
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				Well i have not had much success with the warm towel thing ... i'll try again tomorrow in the light ..... is there anyone who has a similar temp outside try and see if at least the fan in front of the radiator as you stand from the front of the car runs when ECO turned off ( currently 2.5 degrees here ) .... im hoping thats normal when the temp goes below the cut off point of 5 degrees according to the manual .... im hoping this isnt going to be another expensive problem  :'(
			
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				If memory serves whenever you select ECO the fans all stop, unless the engine temp is that high that it needs cooling !
 
 Select Auto, fans start .. :)
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				When i press Eco to turn AC on ... ( IE ECO NOT DISPLAYED ) normally the fan would start .... but now it doesnt start .... i dont know if its because its below the 5 degrees cut off stated in the manual 
 Car was steaming up but i thought i would still be able to use ac despite low outside temperature to dry the incoming air to stop the windows steaming up .... or am i not understanding how the ac works  :-[ ..... i hope im explaining this properly  :-/
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				When i press Eco to turn AC on ... ( IE ECO NOT DISPLAYED ) normally the fan would start .... but now it doesnt start .... i dont know if its because its below the 5 degrees cut off stated in the manual 
 Car was steaming up but i thought i would still be able to use ac despite low outside temperature to dry the incoming air to stop the windows steaming up .... or am i not understanding how the ac works  :-[ ..... i hope im explaining this properly  :-/
 
 That turns AC off mate!!
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				If ECO is displayed on the digital display on the facelift cc panel ac is OFF  .....  pressing ECO again turns ac ON ... if ECO is NOT displayed on the facelift climate control panel then ac is ON  ..... i knew i wasnt explaining this properly  :-?.... when air conditioning is turned on the fan in front of the radiator no longer runs like it used to do when i used it in the summer ..... is this just because it is below the point in the manual that the ac cooling compressor turns off 
 Taken from the manual ... VAUXHALL OMEGA 2002 ......
 
 Operation with the cooling unit is only
 possible at temperatures above approx.
 5 °C. Below this temperature the cooling
 unit (cooling compressor) switches off
 automatically.
 
 Does this explain why my ac seems to be not working and my windows were steaming up ......
 I dont know how else to explain it better ....
 ECO in display =ac OFF
 ECO NOT in display = ac ON
 
 I thought i could still use the ac to de-humidify the incoming air to stop the steam up problem or does the air conditioning just cut off completely below 5 degrees as the manual says  :-/ :-/ :-/
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				Proz, I know you must be pretty cheesed off by now, but try all the relays in the large box on top of the battery & check they are all fitted tightly, also the connectors to both fans. Also do a search for 'fan test' in the forum search facility (this is for 6 cyl cars with  fans but should still be ok for 4 cyl models) HTH :y
			
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				Proz ... relay locations shown in this thread ..  .. :)
 
 http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1176542235
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				Proz, I know you must be pretty cheesed off by now, but try all the relays in the large box on top of the battery & check they are all fitted tightly, also the connectors to both fans. Also do a search for 'fan test' in the forum search facility (this is for 6 cyl cars with  fans but should still be ok for 4 cyl models) HTH :y 
 It would appear that no-one seems to understand what im talking about so yes im getting a little frustrated  ;D ;D .....  :-/ :-/
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				Proz, I know you must be pretty cheesed off by now, but try all the relays in the large box on top of the battery & check they are all fitted tightly, also the connectors to both fans. Also do a search for 'fan test' in the forum search facility (this is for 6 cyl cars with  fans but should still be ok for 4 cyl models) HTH :y 
 It would appear that no-one seems to understand what im talking about so yes im getting a little frustrated  ;D ;D .....  :-/ :-/
 
 
 If I understand you correctly ...  when you have the air con running in Auto (not OFF or ECO), the fan no longer turns ... like it used to ( and should AFAIK !!).
 
 You wish to know if this is temp related thing you've read about, or a problem with the electrics ...  :)
 
 Hows that ? ..   :)
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				Proz, I know you must be pretty cheesed off by now, but try all the relays in the large box on top of the battery & check they are all fitted tightly, also the connectors to both fans. Also do a search for 'fan test' in the forum search facility (this is for 6 cyl cars with  fans but should still be ok for 4 cyl models) HTH :y 
 It would appear that no-one seems to understand what im talking about so yes im getting a little frustrated  ;D ;D .....  :-/ :-/
 
 
 If I understand you correctly ...  when you have the air con running in Auto (not OFF or ECO), the fan no longer turns ... like it used to ( and should AFAIK !!).
 
 You wish to know if this is temp related thing you've read about, or a problem with the electrics ...  :)
 
 Hows that ? ..   :)
 
 Yep thats the one  ;D ;D ;D ..... is the fan at the front only needed for cooling such as when in summer and therefor doesnt run if like the manual says its below 5 degrees outside .. i used to hear a slight change in engine noise and could hear the fan run when ac turned on ... now it doesnt seem to do anything so i dont know if ac is working or not  :y
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				Been playing with my diagnostic toy today as was too dark last night .... here is what it says , looks ok to my untrained eye  :-/
 
 "My Naff Code Reader" 090821d - PC based diagnostic tool
 
 Date and time>      17/01/2010. 12:5928
 
 Workshop information:
 
 Proz's Omega
 
 
 Selected model>      2003      Omega-B      Body      Electronic Climate Control
 
 Control Unit:
 
 KW82 protocol initialized.
 
 ECU ID=  24449468      2800      4001      0
 $)      4      2
 
 Part Number:  24449468
 Code Index: 004
 Code Version: 2
 Production Date: 0000
 
 Measuring blocks information:
 
 Identifier      0
 Battery Voltage      13.7 V
 Ignition Status      Active
 Auto Switch      Inactive
 Blower Increment Switch      Inactive
 Blower Decrement Switch      Inactive
 Air Distribution Front Switch      Inactive
 Air Distribution Interior Switch      Inactive
 Air Distribution Floor Switch      Inactive
 Air Circulation Switch      Inactive
 ECO Switch (Economy)      Inactive
 Off Switch      Inactive
 Defrost Switch      Inactive
 Rear Window Heating Switch      Inactive
 A/C Request      Off
 Defrost Mode      Inactive
 Auto Mode      Active
 Auto Blower Mode      Active
 Auto Air Circulation Mode      Inactive
 ECO Mode      Active
 Off Mode      Inactive
 Manual Air Distribution Front      Inactive
 Manual Air Distribution Interior      Inactive
 Manual Air Distribution Floor      Inactive
 Manual Air Circulation      Inactive
 Water Valve      Closed
 Air Circulation Valve      Inactive
 Compartment Temperature      18 °C
 Outside Temperature      7 °C
 Solar Sensor Element Right      0 W/m2
 Solar Sensor Element Left      0 W/m2
 Calculated Sun Load      0 W/m2
 Nominal Right Temperature      24 °C
 Nominal Left Temperature      24 °C
 Outlet Temperature Floor Left      46 °C
 Outlet Temperature Floor Right      46 °C
 Outlet Temperature Vent Left      46 °C
 Outlet Temperature Vent Right      46 °C
 Heatable Rear Window      Inactive
 Feedback Heatable Rear Window      Inactive
 Vehicle Speed      0 km/h
 Engine Running Signal      22 Hz
 Blower Level      1
 Blower Feedback      0.39 V
 Blower Control Voltage      1.56 V
 Blower Motor      Active
 Dimmer Level      100%
 Parking Heater      Inactive
 A/C Cutoff Mode      Active      is this the important one ?
 Left Blending Flap Position      78%
 Right Blending Flap Position      77%
 Interior Flap Position      0%
 Floor Flap Position      100%
 Defrost Flap Position      29%
 Left Blending Flap Motor      Inactive
 Right Blending Flap Motor      Inactive
 Interior Flap Motor      Inactive
 Floor Flap Motor      Inactive
 Defrost Flap Motor      Inactive
 
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				Mmm ... temperature outside yesterday was 6 degrees outside and still the ac fan in front of the radiator wouldnt run , i know its still near the claimed 5 degrees cut of stated in the manual ... the engine bay fuses look fine to me but is there any to check in the cabin fuse box ... there are so many  ;D
			
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				Sounds like an AC fault but....below 4degC and you dont need aircon to dry the air as its already very dry.
 
 When it happens again...cycle through the re-circ options to reset the recirc valves (with it finishing off as auto re-circ)
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				Sounds like an AC fault but....below 4degC and you dont need aircon to dry the air as its already very dry.
 
 When it happens again...cycle through the re-circ options to reset the recirc valves (with it finishing off as auto re-circ)
 
 Ok thanks i will do .... i think i'll take it to Halfrauds and get there free A/C check thing done .... i do have a Haynes manual somewhere for the fuse numbers etc but i cant find the stupid thing  ::)
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				ok, I had this problem and when I visited the stealers they said that in inclement weather and sub zero tempratures you need to set the Aircon on and press the recirculation button twice so the letter 'A' appears in the centre of the recirulation icon on the display, apparently doing this causes the air to be de-humidified even though the aircon system would not normally start this is an overide, thus meaning no steamed up windows, I thought the were speaking bull, but it worked !!!
 
 Regards  steve
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				ok, I had this problem and when I visited the stealers they said that in inclement weather and sub zero tempratures you need to set the Aircon on and press the recirculation button twice so the letter 'A' appears in the centre of the recirulation icon on the display, apparently doing this causes the air to be de-humidified even though the aircon system would not normally start this is an overide, thus meaning no steamed up windows, I thought the were speaking bull, but it worked !!!
 
 Regards  steve
 
 I'll give that a go .... thanks  :y