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Title: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: SMD on 27 January 2010, 18:00:54
I have a 98 2.5V6 CD and want to fit cruise control. Searched and it seems possible but how much of a pain is it to fit? Are there any how to guides here? Will it be expensive?

Cheers
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 27 January 2010, 18:03:05
The wiring is in place for it, so you will require the unit itself (complete) and a new brake switch and a clutch switch if a manual. Obviously a new indicator stalk as well.

Mine cost £45 done by one of the guys on here who does servicing - on top of the service cost that is.

Plug and play.  :y
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: RobG on 27 January 2010, 18:03:19
Should be able to get all the bits for about £40 if you use a 2nd hand stalk. http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1166374649
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: jonathanh on 27 January 2010, 18:05:23
absolute doddle to do apart from the brake and clutch switch.  Just get the bits and do it yourself mate

well worth it
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2010, 18:09:01
First mod I did to my MV6 :y.

Dead easy, unless you have aux waterpump, in which case a bit of fabrication needed (nothing major)
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: SMD on 27 January 2010, 18:24:24
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You will need to obtain a control stalk, actuator motor, mounting box, the control cable and the metal carrier end on the cable if your car does not have the additional hole for the cruise cable.

What cars have these? Can you get the above bits from Vauxhall or do they cost too much?

Really want this but looks a little complicated :-[

Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: TheBoy on 27 January 2010, 18:29:45
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You will need to obtain a control stalk, actuator motor, mounting box, the control cable and the metal carrier end on the cable if your car does not have the additional hole for the cruise cable.

What cars have these? Can you get the above bits from Vauxhall or do they cost too much?

Really want this but looks a little complicated :-[

get from breaker :y
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: cmeonthemove on 27 January 2010, 18:36:31
Look for a similar aged CDX or Elite or ask one of the breakers on here.
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 27 January 2010, 18:40:29
Thats what I did
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: SMD on 27 January 2010, 18:40:49
i'll send a pm to Daz  ;D
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Boatboy on 27 January 2010, 20:57:59
Fitted one to mine last year. Breaker parts were used (good man robseymv6). As stated if you have the coolant pump fitted to the offside inner wing a bit of imagination is needed to move/bend mounting plates.

The stalk is a doddle to change. I did not change the brake switch 'cos I found a dodge on here that suggested linking out thge 2 spare  terminals at the back of the brake switch connector with a paperclip or similar.

If you've got a manual 'box guess you 'should' fit a switch there as well but I believe some don't.

Sure Daz will be able to assist.

Steve
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: hotel21 on 27 January 2010, 21:04:22
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Fitted one to mine last year. Breaker parts were used (good man robseymv6). As stated if you have the coolant pump fitted to the offside inner wing a bit of imagination is needed to move/bend mounting plates.

The stalk is a doddle to change. I did not change the brake switch 'cos I found a dodge on here that suggested linking out thge 2 spare  terminals at the back of the brake switch connector with a paperclip or similar.

If you've got a manual 'box guess you 'should' fit a switch there as well but I believe some don't.

Sure Daz will be able to assist.

Steve

Not really.  Follow the guide and get the factory part to fit it - number supplied on the howtoo.  Needs only a couple of holes drilled to mount the support.....  :y
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: SMD on 28 January 2010, 17:14:01
Reading back at my last post, If I came across like I didnt appreciate the help when I said I'll ask Daz, it was to source parts from the Omega he is breaking.  :-*

I just came back from a longish drive, mainly dual carridgeway and I have decided to give this a go. Expect another thread once I have sourced all the parts.  ;D

To clarify I will need these from breakers/ebay:

control stalk
actuator motor
mounting box
control cable
metal carrier



Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: I_want_an_Omega on 28 January 2010, 18:00:55
& switch(s)
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Agemo on 28 January 2010, 18:34:35
Is it now OK to use second hand stalks? The last time we mentioned them, we heard:-
For crying out loud, how many times do I have to say it 
[size=16]FOR CRUISE STALKS, BUY BRAND NEW[/size]
 and:-
second hand is false economy, full beam tends to wear and come on when braking a heavy.

I wanted to sell an OOFer one for a Fiver, but on here he was advised against it, and so he spent £48.65 on a new one, now it seems the advice is:-

get from breaker   :y/
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: cruisetopoland on 28 January 2010, 18:39:03
Cruise stalks can be had £32+vat from VX, I didn't listen and bought an ebay £25 delivered cheapie, which failed after two months/6,000 miles and started randomly selecting resume; the replacement after sending it back does not feel much better and rattles slightly too.

If doing the job, surely £32+vat is worth it?  They do wear and fail, but they are easy enough to swap, so you could fit a £5 secondhand one if short of funds, then when it goes replace with a nice new one......from VX not ebay  :y :y

I learnt that what OOF said was absolutely right; the hard way.
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: TheBoy on 28 January 2010, 19:03:11
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Is it now OK to use second hand stalks? The last time we mentioned them, we heard:-
For crying out loud, how many times do I have to say it 
[size=16]FOR CRUISE STALKS, BUY BRAND NEW[/size]
 and:-
second hand is false economy, full beam tends to wear and come on when braking a heavy.

I wanted to sell an OOFer one for a Fiver, but on here he was advised against it, and so he spent £48.65 on a new one, now it seems the advice is:-

get from breaker   :y/
Ideally, I would suggest buying a kit from a breaker, then getting a new stalk from a dealer - Cruise for way under £100 is a bargain in my book.

But we all know people won't buy the new one until the existing one fails, when they have the one from the kit for free.


Buying 2nd hand stalks IS false economy. Maybe many of us need to learn the hard way (as I did).  I personally don't give a witch's tit whether people buy new or 2nd hand, all I am trying to do is relay my (not insignificant) experiences with these cars :)

:y
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Agemo on 28 January 2010, 19:10:58
Fair enough, I do appreciate your opinions, I suppose in an ideal World, we should all scrap our stalks & replace with new, as they are the same age as the ones in the Breakers.
You are right, People will not put new ones on if the used ones are OK. Thanks for the comment.
Oh, and £32 isn't bad, sounds like some Dealer is charging 50% VAT, I knew there was a reason for not trusting them!
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: stuthespread on 28 January 2010, 20:36:30
when i bought mine off darth came with the stalk also,only thing i had to get from vx was clutch switch,doddle of a job to do,never looked back,use it every day(get better economy).
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Boatboy on 28 January 2010, 20:42:57
Just before you get to splash the cash, be aware that the resume feature is a bit impatient to say the least, often resulting in a kick-down and hearty charge towards the rear of the car in front.

If like me you were expecting to exit a roundabout and gently regain speed at the press of a button you might be dissapointed.

Then again, it could be down to my 2nd hand stalk and cheapskate bending of mounting brackets :y :y :y


Steve
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Welung666 on 28 January 2010, 20:56:54
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Just before you get to splash the cash, be aware that the resume feature is a bit impatient to say the least, often resulting in a kick-down and hearty charge towards the rear of the car in front.

If like me you were expecting to exit a roundabout and gently regain speed at the press of a button you might be dissapointed.

Then again, it could be down to my 2nd hand stalk and cheapskate bending of mounting brackets :y :y :y


Steve

No Steve, they're all like that ;D ;D Gets your heart going the first time it happens doesn't it? ;D
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Jimbob on 28 January 2010, 21:08:03
My experiences are...

use a 2nd that came with your kit....cos youve got it.

WHEN that fails buy a new one from Vaux.

I bought an ebay pattern, and it is poor, getting indicator to lock indicating right is damn near impossible.

yes the 'same age' one in your car is working fine.....but it hasnt been disturbed which is what I think starts to see them on their way.

IF money is tight, and a 2nd hand is cheap enough, then why not, may not be great, may put you on for a while, may be false economy but when pennies are tight it can be your only option.

Ive used 10 year old 2nd hand, new pattern and new vauxhall and there is a massive difference between them.
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Ken T on 29 January 2010, 09:47:09
I got my second hand stalk from a breaker, when I was getting an ECU and keyreader, so he chucked it in for free. It has worked OK for the last couple of years. Hey some will be lucky, some are not, it all depends if the driver of the breaker used his indicators frequently.

Shame BMW ones won't fit  :P

Ken
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: cruisetopoland on 29 January 2010, 12:27:30
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Just before you get to splash the cash, be aware that the resume feature is a bit impatient to say the least, often resulting in a kick-down and hearty charge towards the rear of the car in front.

If like me you were expecting to exit a roundabout and gently regain speed at the press of a button you might be dissapointed.

Then again, it could be down to my 2nd hand stalk and cheapskate bending of mounting brackets :y :y :y


Steve

No Steve, they're all like that ;D ;D Gets your heart going the first time it happens doesn't it? ;D

Agreed  ;D
Does change a bit with a software update on tech2 though, now heads for the horizon, not the moon  ;)

I thought the R was for rocket-launchers?
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: TheBoy on 29 January 2010, 19:02:20
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If like me you were expecting to exit a roundabout and gently regain speed at the press of a button you might be dissapointed.
Gently power off a roundabout.  I don't understand the concept ::)
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: tunnie on 29 January 2010, 19:40:24
brand new ones feel sooooooo much smoother to use. The second hand onei got was clunky and horrible to use. Brand new one feels much nicer to use, and is silent, its worth paying the £35 just for that
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: cruisetopoland on 30 January 2010, 12:05:06
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brand new ones feel sooooooo much smoother to use. The second hand onei got was clunky and horrible to use. Brand new one feels much nicer to use, and is silent, its worth paying the £35 just for that

I second that.

My aftermarket ebay one is stiff, clacky and rattles  >:(

Lesson learnt  ;)
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: Welung666 on 30 January 2010, 12:07:48
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brand new ones feel sooooooo much smoother to use. The second hand onei got was clunky and horrible to use. Brand new one feels much nicer to use, and is silent, its worth paying the £35 just for that

I second that.

My aftermarket ebay one is stiff, clacky and rattles  >:(

Lesson learnt  ;)

But what about your cruise stalk? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: cruisetopoland on 30 January 2010, 12:11:25
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brand new ones feel sooooooo much smoother to use. The second hand onei got was clunky and horrible to use. Brand new one feels much nicer to use, and is silent, its worth paying the £35 just for that

I second that.

My aftermarket ebay one is stiff, clacky and rattles  >:(

Lesson learnt  ;)

But what about your cruise stalk? ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think the cruise stalk is fitting in with the ethic of the car......it has been replaced complete twice and still does not feel right  ;D
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: GArlington on 30 January 2010, 16:03:54
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I have a 98 2.5V6 CD and want to fit cruise control. Searched and it seems possible but how much of a pain is it to fit? Are there any how to guides here? Will it be expensive?

Cheers

I have a complete 99 2.5 V6 CD(x) in E.London for braking (failed engine), so if you do not mind some disassembly you can pick all the parts you need...
Title: Re: Fitting cruise control to cars that don't have it
Post by: SMD on 31 January 2010, 15:31:28
Thanks for the offer, but I wouldn't know where to start looking!