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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Omega 37 on 05 February 2010, 20:53:47
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I have had my droplinks & wishbones replaced with gm parts & 4 wheel alignment done but my mig still wanders but only every now & then.
If I change lane on a dual carrigeway to overtake, the car kind of goes too fast to the right and you find yourself correcting the oversteer quickly but gives you that scared kinda feelin :P
It is still not right, could it be the steering idler????????
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does it do it to the left too? Known as 'tramlining' certain tyres cause this problem as well. Steering idler tends to have other symptoms as well, like wheel wobble braking from 60-50.
Its worth checking for play in it though :y
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I will check the braking tom. It is not the tyres. Cant remember if it does it to the left.
I bought a new vectra in 2006 it was a sri xp & had huge astra vxr snowflake wheels on it which came with the xp pack. when I drove it down bumpy country roads it went all over the place like 3 feet to on side, nightmare was told that is tramlining due to tyre width? think the mig does that to a lesser degree, so might be the steering idler :question
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I will check the braking tom. It is not the tyres. Cant remember if it does it to the left.
I bought a new vectra in 2006 it was a sri xp & had huge astra vxr snowflake wheels on it which came with the xp pack. when I drove it down bumpy country roads it went all over the place like 3 feet to on side, nightmare was told that is tramlining due to tyre width? think the mig does that to a lesser degree, so might be the steering idler :question
I find i 'bounce' around in the truck groves on the inside lane sometimes, and some dual carriage ways. Which does force the steering to one side, its a good excuse to stay in the outside lane ;D
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Ive changed wishbones, drop links, Inner and outer track rod ends, idler arm and still get tramlining. Had tracking done but not camber.May be that some thing to do with it as im fed up spending money and still have problem.
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if you have had wishbones done camber will need doing
put car on level ground use a spirit level measure rim at top and at bottom in the vertical plane for a rough guide should have approx 8mm difference ie top of wheel should be leaning inwards if outside this get the camber checked at a garage
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They could not do the camber. The car pulls to the left too much, my dads identical car does it aswell. :(
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They could not do the camber. The car pulls to the left too much, my dads identical car does it aswell. :(
Worth a trip to Wheels in Motion (WIM) in Chesham, its a bit of a drive, but i can't recommend them enough. Totally transformed all of our Omegas, corners like they are on rails.
They really know there stuff when it comes to full geometry (not just tracking) so many OOF users go down there, we have bespoke settings outside the manufactures specs, so much better for it too.
Mention OOF and you get a good discount :y
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They could not do the camber. The car pulls to the left too much, my dads identical car does it aswell. :(
Worth a trip to Wheels in Motion (WIM) in Chesham, its a bit of a drive, but i can't recommend them enough. Totally transformed all of our Omegas, corners like they are on rails.
They really know there stuff when it comes to full geometry (not just tracking) so many OOF users go down there, we have bespoke settings outside the manufactures specs, so much better for it too.
Mention OOF and you get a good discount :y
Be aware that WIM are opening up over 100 franchises, all with access to WIM's technical data.
That said, I would always take mine down to the 'main man' :y
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A member e-mailed me the wim settings. The bloke that done mine has had 4 migs & ses they are a pig to set up but reckons he knows how to do them??????????
Should of gone to wim in the place but did not know about it then. :(
Spent £89 on tracking when i first got the car, then had full service, cam belt & tensioners, waterpump, front discs & pads, droplinks & wishbones, tracking again, cam sensor, maf sensor, battery,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the car only cost £1500
well run out of money now, must of spent a grand.
should get some trouble free motoring for a while now. :y
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Forgot to say that there is a big clonking noise coming from passenger side front when I go over speed bumps, does steering idler make a clonking noise??????
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Bought a new gm idler will soon find out if it is the culprit!!! :)
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More than likely droplinks.
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Steering idler tends to have other symptoms as well, like wheel wobble braking from 60-50.
Sounds like I'll be doing one of these soon then :(
Humpy
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Steering idler tends to have other symptoms as well, like wheel wobble braking from 60-50.
Sounds like I'll be doing one of these soon then :(
Humpy
Warped discs can cause it too, although it totally cleared for me when i had a new (pattern) idler fitted, its started to come back now though >:(
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More than likely droplinks.
they have been done 4 weeks ago with the wishbones.
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Steering idler tends to have other symptoms as well, like wheel wobble braking from 60-50.
Sounds like I'll be doing one of these soon then :(
Humpy
Warped discs can cause it too, although it totally cleared for me when i had a new (pattern) idler fitted, its started to come back now though >:(
gm idler £50 with gm discount, not cheap :(
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I've just bought this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200435558237&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Will get it early this week.
Suspect mine has had it, but I can't see/feel any play in it.
Shall just change it and see. I do suspect though it could be tyres if that don't change things for the better.
It tramlines a good deal, I have Avon tyres fitted at the front :-/
Mick ;)
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Cant get the damm thing off >:(
Got the nuts off & it comes off the bush end but cant get the taper part to come off the steering rack. Proper hit it hard too!!!!!!!!!
Cant heat it as this will melt the rubber on the rack :D
Doomed i tells ya, cant afford to go to a garage as not much work & sparky's are getting paid rates that are 20 years old >:(
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which way are you attacking it? When at WIM mine was a right git to get off, wacking it from above and below eventually got it off
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done the same tunnie, attacked from top & bottom. will leave it overnight, hope the wd40 sinks in.
Did wim get yours off just by whacking top & bottom or did they do something clever??????? ;D
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done the same tunnie, attacked from top & bottom. will leave it overnight, hope the wd40 sinks in.
Did wim get yours off just by whacking top & bottom or did they do something clever??????? ;D
Yeah they added heat to the mixture 8-) ;D
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ok thanks :y
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Changed my idler yesterday due to same symptoms - £30 part from ebay.
Had opposite problem though, ball joint came loose before nut fully off so had to remove it in pieces !
Idler felt ok on the car but when off there was a lot of play in it !!
Does anyone know the thread size of the ball joint nut ? Need a new one !!
Let you know tomorrow if it cures the wandering :-/
Also got a slight knock over bumps, but couldnt move the drop link yesetrday, seem ok
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Cant get the damm thing off >:(
Got the nuts off & it comes off the bush end but cant get the taper part to come off the steering rack. Proper hit it hard too!!!!!!!!!
Cant heat it as this will melt the rubber on the rack :D
Doomed i tells ya, cant afford to go to a garage as not much work & sparky's are getting paid rates that are 20 years old >:(
Use two hammers, and simultaneously clout around the eye of the tapered ball-joint end.
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Cant get the damm thing off >:(
Got the nuts off & it comes off the bush end but cant get the taper part to come off the steering rack. Proper hit it hard too!!!!!!!!!
Cant heat it as this will melt the rubber on the rack :D
Doomed i tells ya, cant afford to go to a garage as not much work & sparky's are getting paid rates that are 20 years old >:(
Use two hammers, and simultaneously clout around the eye of the tapered ball-joint end.
Gets my vote :y
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are ball joint splitters of any use on this?
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I find not as they either dont fit or rip the rubber boot on the ball joint.
The 2 hammers method works every time and does not take long
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I find not as they either dont fit or rip the rubber boot on the ball joint.
The 2 hammers method works every time and does not take long
Couldn't have put it better meself Mark!
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i ve just changed mine(well tried)Two hammers, pitman arm removal tool, nothing i tried would get it off. Put the nuts back on, took it to the garage :D
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i ve just changed mine(well tried)Two hammers, pitman arm removal tool, nothing i tried would get it off. Put the nuts back on, took it to the garage :D
Is this not the arm on the drivers side and not the Idler :-?
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yes dave,thought i try the tool on the idler on the off chance,but it wouldn't work :'(
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I tried to get mine off today, nuts came undone easier than i expected, it dropped off one end on its own (it really was knackered!) but the joint end won't come off. i tried cracking it, joint splitters, big bars to lever it off, nothing! Wouldn't budge, just laughed at me! I did it all back up and walked away as i was freezing in the snow! I almost got to the point of grinding it off, but managed to control my temper and stop myself!
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Take it off at the body work end....rotate it so its in line with the link arm.....bash a wedge between it and the bar to apply some pressure (does not need to be excessive)
Then take 2 hammers.....hit either side of the idler arm adjacent to the balljoint taper with the hammers at the same time.....
Do it a few times and it will just pop off
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What i did was take nut off bottom of idler then screw back on a couple of turns. Then get a bar and wedge it between car and track rod end then hit the idler upwards with bloody big hammer. Takes a few goes but will come off. The ball joint spliter wont fit in small gap.
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What i did was take nut off bottom of idler then screw back on a couple of turns. Then get a bar and wedge it between car and track rod end then hit the idler upwards with bloody big hammer. Takes a few goes but will come off. The ball joint spliter wont fit in small gap.
forgot to say that you push down on bar while hitting idler up.
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Oh joy, I have all of this to look forward to!! Lol
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I've tried all this today with my Idler.
Let's just say I've had enough, and it's a second attempt tomorrow
F******** poxy thing :( :-[
Mick ;)
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Best of luck mick,I took the cowards way out in the end, :-[
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Best of luck mick,I took the cowards way out in the end, :-[
Yeah I may just do the same, after tomorrow.
And that comment I made was the cleaned up version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mick :D
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I've given up too, going to the garage to get some heat onto the damm thing. Damm sausage gobbler's (germans) over engineer everthing. :D
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Best of luck mick,I took the cowards way out in the end, :-[
Yeah I may just do the same, after tomorrow.
And that comment I made was the cleaned up version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Mick :D
Hurray :D Success I got it off :y
Found my long lost chisel and tw*tted it with that.
I first wedged another hammer head between a spare nut attached to the tapered bit and chassis member.
Then wacked hell out of it from underneath via the chisel with a lump hammer.....grrrr ;D
Simple job to replace with the new one, if only the old one was as simple to get off :-/
Car now feels better, and doesn't seem to pull to the left anymore.
Mick :y
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Well done, did better than me! :y