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Title: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 19:30:20
carwasrunning ok but then slowed down and it will not fire up there is also no compression the cam belt is ok eny ideaswhat could be wrong
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 25 March 2010, 19:32:53
Need more info than that mate.....
Is the engine management light on?
Is the engine turning over but not firing?
Is the battery flat?
etc etc
what engine does your car have?
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy H on 25 March 2010, 19:36:03
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Need more info than that mate.....
Is the engine management light on?
Is the engine turning over but not firing?
Is the battery flat?
etc etc
what engine does your car have?
How did you establish that the cambelt is OK?
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: alank46 on 25 March 2010, 19:38:45
Hi
How do you know that the cam belt is okay, you cannot see it without dismantling some of the covers.
Alan

Andy beat me to it!!

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carwasrunning ok but then slowed down and it will not fire up there is also no compression the cam belt is ok eny ideaswhat could be wrong
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 25 March 2010, 19:39:10
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Need more info than that mate.....
Is the engine management light on?
Is the engine turning over but not firing?
Is the battery flat?
etc etc
what engine does your car have?
How did you establish that the cambelt is OK?

Are you asking me? I the break do I know if his cambelt is ok when I nothing about his car?  :-?  ;D
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 19:43:17
a pal at work checked the belt and said it was ok the car is an x reg omega c d the engine size is 2 ltr bthe engine turn over but thse starter makes a whining noise when you try to start the car it just makes a whining  noise the car is duel fuel
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: guncharmer on 25 March 2010, 19:44:31
Engine seized
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: guncharmer on 25 March 2010, 19:48:39
Apologies i wasn`t paying attention,was finding it hard to concentrate
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 19:55:58
engine has notseized it still turns over
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy H on 25 March 2010, 20:01:44
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Need more info than that mate.....
Is the engine management light on?
Is the engine turning over but not firing?
Is the battery flat?
etc etc
what engine does your car have?
How did you establish that the cambelt is OK?

Are you asking me? I the break do I know if his cambelt is ok when I nothing about his car?  :-?  ;D
Surely the master knows everything  ::)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: raywilb on 25 March 2010, 20:08:15
its probably best to let the oof know where you are. somebody near to you may assist. :)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 25 March 2010, 20:09:34
no compression sounds problem imo.. :-/
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:10:21
this might sound stupid but what dose happen if the cam belt snaps can you here eny noises coming from the engine :-[
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 20:11:19
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a pal at work checked the belt and said it was ok the car is an x reg omega c d the engine size is 2 ltr bthe engine turn over but thse starter makes a whining noise when you try to start the car it just makes a whining  noise the car is duel fuel
Have you just bought the car?
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy H on 25 March 2010, 20:12:59
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this might sound stupid but what dose happen if the cam belt snaps can you here eny noises coming from the engine :-[

If it jumps one or two teeth on the cam sprocket you lose compression and the engine loses power or fails to start. (probably no nasty noises)

If it jumps three or more (or snaps) then valves hit pistons and it gets messy. (probably with nasty noises :()
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:23:48
yes i got the car three weeks ago   does this mean that the car is knackerd i hope not :'(
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:25:17
there where no nasty noises coming from the engine
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 20:33:10
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yes i got the car three weeks ago   does this mean that the car is knackerd i hope not :'(
Is it a gold one and did you buy it from Northwich?
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Post by: Welung666 on 25 March 2010, 20:47:19
Where are you Jordan?
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:48:28
no its red i got it from manchester :-/
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:49:24
i live in manchester
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Welung666 on 25 March 2010, 20:50:18
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i live in manchester

Bit too far for me, but there are a few members your way ;)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 20:51:10
I  would do the paperclip test first, see if there are any codes stored
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 20:54:46
im new to this what is the paper clip test :-[
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 20:55:59
Here you go ;)

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 20:56:28
Where about in Manchester are you?
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:00:50
dose eny body think the car is knackerd
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 25 March 2010, 21:02:49
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dose eny body think the car is knackerd


No one can tell from the info so far supplied!

You need to let the experts on here know exactly what is happening, with code readings and details of warning lights or not as per previous requests. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:04:05
im in moston   m/c :-/   but ive left the car at work wich is at newton heath manchester
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2010, 21:06:18
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but ive left the car at work wich is at newton heath manchester

won't it be on bricks by now?  ::)  ::)  ::)  ;)  :y
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:08:41
there where no warning lights it just lost power and stopped it was running  :-Xon gas when it happend the car is fitted with duel fuel you press a switch to change between the two petrol/gas
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Elite Pete on 25 March 2010, 21:10:22
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im in moston   m/c :-/   but ive left the car at work wich is at newton heath manchester
Thats a shame, if it was this side I could have nipped over and had a quick look but i'm stuck at the moment ripping plaster of the walls and ceilings at home. If you can leave it a week I will be able to get over then.
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:11:58
hope not left it in works yard i drive an artic for a living so it should be safe in the works yard :P
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Entwood on 25 March 2010, 21:13:31
I'm confused ... (not difficult)  you say the engine is "turning over" but with "no compression"  .. what are you basing this on ???

When you get someone turn the starter motor  can you actually SEE the bottom pulley turning ?? This will PROVE the engine is "turning over"

You say the cam belt is OK .. do you mean the belt to the alternator ?? which is the auxiliary belt NOT the cam belt
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2010, 21:19:20
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When you get someone turn the starter motor  can you actually SEE the bottom pulley turning ?? This will PROVE the engine is "turning over" .....

but doesn't show the cam is turning.  ;)
Is it possible to see the cam via the oil filler cap? That would show the cam belt isn't snapped (but not whether it's jumped a tooth or three.  :y
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2010, 21:19:45
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hope not left it in works yard i drive an artic for a living so it should be safe in the works yard :P

I'm only pulling your leg.  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:19:59
where is the cam belt situated as im confused as he might have been looking at the wrong belt he also took the oil filler cap of and he saw the cam shaft rotating     ihope :-/
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Andy B on 25 March 2010, 21:22:05
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where is the cam belt situated as im confused as he might have been looking at the wrong belt he also took the oil filler cap of and he saw the cam shaft rotating     ihope :-/

Tha cam belt lives right at the fron of the block under a cover behind the auxillary/fan belt.
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: Entwood on 25 March 2010, 21:24:03
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When you get someone turn the starter motor  can you actually SEE the bottom pulley turning ?? This will PROVE the engine is "turning over" .....

but doesn't show the cam is turning.  ;)
Is it possible to see the cam via the oil filler cap? That would show the cam belt isn't snapped (but not whether it's jumped a tooth or three.  :y


Agreed .. but I thought a step by step approach might help ... lets just confirm the starter motor is actualy turning SOMETHING ... :)  then we'll work out what !!!
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 25 March 2010, 21:30:44
i will check that in the morning thanks to everyone for the help ;)
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 27 March 2010, 12:55:49
checked car again starter turning faster than engine so there must be no compresion is this the end of the car or will i be able to get it sorted out
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: jordan890 on 27 March 2010, 12:58:05
if the cam belt jumps teeth will this damage the valves
Title: Re: cam belt ok but engine just spins over and dosnot
Post by: henryd on 27 March 2010, 15:41:20
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if the cam belt jumps teeth will this damage the valves

depends how many teeth :-/