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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Markjay on 29 December 2007, 23:05:36
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=504888&in_page_id=1770
I see bus drivers do this all the time - leave the bus with the engine running and the passengers on-board.
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30 £ penalty for leaving the car engine running..And he says he locked up.. >:(
They don't have another trouble :-?
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"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30."
Seems like a belligerent Merc driver. Could have said "Sorry, Officer", but no, he probably told him to f**k off or similar, hence the £30 fine. Serves the prat right in my book. :y
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Next time he'll just drive off with frozen windows >:(
The letter of the law perhaps, but there's got to be room for a bit of common sense somewhere, surely?
Kevin
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Next time he'll just drive off with frozen windows >:(
The letter of the law perhaps, but there's got to be room for a bit of common sense somewhere, surely?
Kevin
As said, he must have given them some verbal
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its just geting f**ing stupid now with the police and cars! Cameras taking your picture if you take a hand off the wheel to scratch your ass and now this...
I think the police need to put their resources to better use.
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"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30."
Seems like a belligerent Merc driver. Could have said "Sorry, Officer", but no, he probably told him to f**k off or similar, hence the £30 fine. Serves the prat right in my book. :y
"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30.
Cos the copper thought he 'was the law' not enforcing the law! A bit like the 'belligerent' bike copper that tried to do me for no road tax/vehicle excise tax cos he didn't see the road tax at the bottom of the screen of my Dad's car! Wind & sail springs to mind!
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Suppose my Kenlowe pre heat and remote start (which saves MPG) is out the window now??
I'm starting to think maybe I should remove my Tax Disc each night, in case it gets stolen!!!
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I think the whole idea is wrong - if you 'accept' your guilt and show remorse you are let off by a warning, but if you are 'defiant' then you get fined... If the policy is to warn, then everyone should be warned, not fined, regardless of their attitude... but this is life, and the police are human as well, when someone gives them an argument then they are bound to get personal...
But setting this aside, as far as I am aware leaving the engine running without the driver at the wheel is illegal, just as coasting downhill in neutral is....
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Who knows what the real situation was? Copper could have politely pointed out that technically it's an offence to have left the car running with no intention to prosecute and got a load of jip off the Merc driver.
Merc driver could have been politely pointing out that he'd taken measures to secure the car and Copper thought he was being a smart @rse.
Either way, it sounds like the copper had decided it wasn't worthy of a conviction but just a caution and then changed his mind when talking to the bloke. Not sure I 100% agree with that. The crime isn't altered by the guy's attitude but I guess the copper is free to use his discretion.
Kevin
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personally i think all this does is bring the law into disrepute, all the copper needed to do is point out that it was an offence(isn't everything nowadays)and then if the chaps car got nicked then basically tough sh*t.what possible purpose could it off served to nick him.
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Incidentally, the insurer will no pay if the keys are 'left in the vicinity of the vehicle'. One of my clients had his brand new SL55 AMG nicked, the insurance company did not believe it could be nicked without the key and made the owner submit both keys to them plus a letter from Merc that he never applied for a spare key... had they not received this they would not have paid out, it took him several months to get the money. So if your car does get nicked while you leave it with the engine running and your insurer finds-out, you're not covered....
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so there's this mod which you can fit to your car which allows the engine to be started for half an hour or so to warm it up, it cuts out automatically when you press a pedal, to avoid theft
considered a luxury by the owners, it automatically makes you a criminal as seen by the cops
who is it harming?????
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I guess that the real answer is quite simple. If you get a knock at the door from a policeman telling you that it is an offence to leave the engine running when the vehicle is unattended, then just smile sweetly, thank him for the advice and go and turn the engine off. That way everybody is happy. Once he's gone, go and turn it back on again and go on your merry way.
If you want to antagonise the officer then get on your high horse and start an argument with him. That way he will do his job and enforce the laws that he's paid to do.
Simple really. :y
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"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30."
As far as I can remember an Officer is not forced to issue a ticket. It's up to their own discretion if they wish to use words of advice aka a bollocking, issue a ticket, report for courts summons or arrest.
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I guess that the real answer is quite simple. If you get a knock at the door from a policeman telling you that it is an offence to leave the engine running when the vehicle is unattended, then just smile sweetly, thank him for the advice and go and turn the engine off. That way everybody is happy. Once he's gone, go and turn it back on again and go on your merry way.
If you want to antagonise the officer then get on your high horse and start an argument with him. That way he will do his job and enforce the laws that he's paid to do.
Simple really. :y
I agree!
Common sense not to antagonise a Policeman
My son-in-law is a reasonable beat-copper, but if argued with will play it by the book, despite the paper-work that it generates
So if you're passing through Alton please remember this!
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It will be interesting to see what will happen should this chap contest his ticket at the Magistrates Court. The word unattended is open to interpretation when a good solicitor gets on the case. I can only assume he returned back indoors while the car remained running in the street. This really is all down to the circumstances and detail of the incident and the view of the Magistrate(s) on the day.
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so there's this mod which you can fit to your car which allows the engine to be started for half an hour or so to warm it up, it cuts out automatically when you press a pedal, to avoid theft
considered a luxury by the owners, it automatically makes you a criminal as seen by the cops
who is it harming?????
also useful if you are concerned about being assassinated... ;D
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It will be interesting to see what will happen should this chap contest his ticket at the Magistrates Court. The word unattended is open to interpretation when a good solicitor gets on the case. I can only assume he returned back indoors while the car remained running in the street. This really is all down to the circumstances and detail of the incident and the view of the Magistrate(s) on the day.
The offence of 'quitting' means having the engine running without having a suitably qualified driver present inside the car so it seems to me that the offence is complete.
If people don't like the law, then they should lobby their MP to get it changed. I have to enforce laws that I don't agree with; that's what I'm paid for.
This bloke obviously tried to make the copper's job difficult, so the copper played the trump card and stuck him on. This bloke had a higher trump card when he went to the press; who really cares? It's £30, pay up and learn your lesson.
Haven't the press got something better to report?
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'..inside the car?' so if you lift the bonnet with the engine running to listen for odd noise it is an offense? I must have broken the law hndreds of times in my Astra Mk1 (many many years ago), the car had dual Webers conversion and I must have spent more time in front of it trying to blance the carbs then I did in the driver's seat...
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It will be interesting to see what will happen should this chap contest his ticket at the Magistrates Court. The word unattended is open to interpretation when a good solicitor gets on the case. I can only assume he returned back indoors while the car remained running in the street. This really is all down to the circumstances and detail of the incident and the view of the Magistrate(s) on the day.
The offence of 'quitting' means having the engine running without having a suitably qualified driver present inside the car so it seems to me that the offence is complete.
If people don't like the law, then they should lobby their MP to get it changed. I have to enforce laws that I don't agree with; that's what I'm paid for.
This bloke obviously tried to make the copper's job difficult, so the copper played the trump card and stuck him on. This bloke had a higher trump card when he went to the press; who really cares? It's £30, pay up and learn your lesson.
Haven't the press got something better to report?
I agree totally. You can see by the way this tw*t readily agreed to a press photo, all dressed up in scarf, gloves and woolly hat - with no frost in sight. And who called up the Daily Mail in the first place? Bet he did. No, I'm sorry, although I am the first to complain about stupid laws and the nanny state, this guy obviously wound up the copper who was only doing his piece as part of a campaign to discourage drivers leaving their cars running. If I'd been the officer, I'd have crawled all over his car just to check it and make sure he was late for work. I wouldn't want to have a pint with him, that's for sure. ;)
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This is recockulous. What harm is he doing? If it gets nicked, it's his fault. He's not inconveniencing anyone else.