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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: markspark on 17 May 2010, 22:31:07
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hi guys i used to have a 3.2 elite with full irmscher kit on it on a 52 plate sadly i had to sell it at christmas (money problems) i have just bought a 2.5 TD on a R plate and im wondering what would be involved in fitting the 2.5 TD in the 3.2 elite 52 plate car as the gut i sold it to will sell it me back has this been done before or is it a no dont try it
TIA
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hi guys i used to have a 3.2 elite with full irmscher kit on it on a 52 plate sadly i had to sell it at christmas (money problems) i have just bought a 2.5 TD on a R plate and im wondering what would be involved in fitting the 2.5 TD in the 3.2 elite 52 plate car as the gut i sold it to will sell it me back has this been done before or is it a no dont try it
TIA
Anything is possible, but I wouldn't even begin to do it. Your insurance co would probably shy away from a 'modified' car too
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It's not something I'd want to attempt, the engines are totally different, everything would have to be changed, fuel tank, fuel delivery, exhasut, ecu, ignition system, clocks.
It would de value the 3.2 Elite aswell.
Is it fuel consumption that prompted the idea? If so LPG the 3.2...or buy a TD or 2.2 DTI Elite.
I'm sure after very extensive work it could be done, but it'd be a big job.
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im on a traders don't think i will have problem with the insurance
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im on a traders don't think i will have problem with the insurance
ulitmately you'd have a modified car that you'd want to sell. I agree with Josh above, who'd want to buy a 3.2 Elite with an oil burner in it? ;)
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im on a traders don't think i will have problem with the insurance
You will unfortunately have a problem, if it's a stock vehicle then you don't need to disclose it for up to 14 days...after that period you are then required to add it to the MID. I'm with Tradex, they ask for registration, what the vehicle is, value and are there are any modifications to it. Only takes 60 seconds to go through the info, but with a traders policy you still need to notify them of significant modifications.
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i have done this kind of thing, the smallest things can cause the biggest time consuming problems.
as said lpg seems the way to go and there are plenty of oofers who have experience in this subject. :)
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im not doing it to sell im doing it to keep i only sold the car as i was doing space ship millage and couldn't afford to fuel it in my view i would have the luxury of the elite with the irmscher kit and the mpg of the tractor best of both worlds
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petrol 20 mpg
lpg 40 mpg (price wise)
tractor 35 mpg?
speed ?? :)
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im not doing it to sell im doing it to keep i only sold the car as i was doing space ship millage and couldn't afford to fuel it in my view i would have the luxury of the elite with the irmscher kit and the mpg of the tractor best of both worlds
don't go there :y :y :y :y You'd have a nice looking car that sounded like a taxi! ;D ;D ;D
Ask The Boy how much he liks BMW's lump, apparently they're not all they're cracked up to be ;) ;)
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I see your point, but insurance will be an issue, the task of actually doing it, and the devaluing of the 3.2 Elite in the first place are all such major draw backs.
How many miles has the Elite done, colour etc? As I'd say it'd be better to sell it on, and buy a 2.2 DTI and add the luxuries of an Elite to it, be far easier in the long run.
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lpg would cost 2k so i understand
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I see your point, but insurance will be an issue, the task of actually doing it, and the devaluing of the 3.2 Elite in the first place are all such major draw backs.
How many miles has the Elite done, colour etc? As I'd say it'd be better to sell it on, and buy a 2.2 DTI and add the luxuries of an Elite to it, be far easier in the long run.
very wise words from someone so young! :y :y :y :y ;)
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It would be a fraction of the work involved to LPG it rather than try to swap the engines (and everything associated with the engine swap) Plenty of info and advice available on here as well. :y
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I see your point, but insurance will be an issue, the task of actually doing it, and the devaluing of the 3.2 Elite in the first place are all such major draw backs.
How many miles has the Elite done, colour etc? As I'd say it'd be better to sell it on, and buy a 2.2 DTI and add the luxuries of an Elite to it, be far easier in the long run.
very wise words from someone so young! :y :y :y :y ;)
;D thanks Andy...us young'uns have our moments :D
As for cost of LPG, I believe 2k is top whack for it to be done. If someone on here did it, it'd be considerably cheaper.
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;D thanks Andy...us young'uns have our moments :D ......
Mine does! :-X :-X :-X ;)
& I don't think there's much between you both :-/
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(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss293/markspark71/S4200119.jpg)
its done 119k now
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(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss293/markspark71/S4200119.jpg)
its done 119k now
There won't be many wedding cars as quick ;D ;D ;D :y
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building miggy from scratch is easier.. dont try it..
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well lets divert a little what would it cost for the parts to lpg it then ???
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Well, if we take a value of £3600 to £4100 for it...considering the rarity of the Irmscher kit offest against the mileage.
I doubt many OOFers would pay that for it, but someone will no doubt and that is a realistic price in the open market.
You could buy a 2.2 DTI in either CDX or Elite trim.
I only buy Omega's with Xenon headlights...so CDX, MV6, ELITE or Special (Police) so that's why I chose CDX trim.
Be fairly easy to add almost everything to a DTI CDX, memory leather, rear blind, sat nav, already has sunroof and cruise, xenons etc. Easily add new wheels and Irmscher kit if you wanted.
A few on here would no doubt actually cry if you fitted a TD engine to a 3.2 Elite looking like yours :D
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Approx. £750 afaik.
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A few on here would no doubt actually cry if you fitted a TD engine to a 3.2 Elite looking like yours :D
At least they wouldn't be heard over the noise! ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Well, if we take a value of £3600 to £4100 for it...considering the rarity of the Irmscher kit offest against the mileage.
I doubt many OOFers would pay that for it, but someone will no doubt and that is a realistic price in the open market.
You could buy a 2.2 DTI in either CDX or Elite trim.
I only buy Omega's with Xenon headlights...so CDX, MV6, ELITE or Special (Police) so that's why I chose CDX trim.
Be fairly easy to add almost everything to a DTI CDX, memory leather, rear blind, sat nav, already has sunroof and cruise, xenons etc. Easily add new wheels and Irmscher kit if you wanted.
A few on here would no doubt actually cry if you fitted a TD engine to a 3.2 Elite looking like yours :D
its the complete look of the car inc the irmscher kit im tring to keep
how do the 2.2 dti's compare to the bmw 2.5 for having problems ect
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also the kit is very very hard to come by these days mine had the irmscher suspension aswell
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mine had the irmscher suspension aswell
and how well would that take the weight of the straight 6 iron BMW lump up front? :-/
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Well, if we take a value of £3600 to £4100 for it...considering the rarity of the Irmscher kit offest against the mileage.
I doubt many OOFers would pay that for it, but someone will no doubt and that is a realistic price in the open market.
You could buy a 2.2 DTI in either CDX or Elite trim.
I only buy Omega's with Xenon headlights...so CDX, MV6, ELITE or Special (Police) so that's why I chose CDX trim.
Be fairly easy to add almost everything to a DTI CDX, memory leather, rear blind, sat nav, already has sunroof and cruise, xenons etc. Easily add new wheels and Irmscher kit if you wanted.
A few on here would no doubt actually cry if you fitted a TD engine to a 3.2 Elite looking like yours :D
its the complete look of the car inc the irmscher kit im tring to keep
how do the 2.2 dti's compare to the bmw 2.5 for having problems ect
You could just transfer the Irmscher stuff to the replacement Omega. That'd then make your 3.2 worth low £3k on the open market, possibly a bit less.
I really know very little of the diesels, only know the 2.2 DTI has 122 bhp, and is rather slow in standard guise.
The BMW engine ceased in the Omega's in 2001 on the 'Y' plate, the 2.2 DTI replaced it. So I assumed you'd want as new as possible, only reason I suggested the 2.2 DTI really
Hopefull one of the diesel owners will be along shortly to advise.
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id say it was easier to take the bumpers and springs off that what your considering :o
(must type faster) :)
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lpg it ya nutter, or sell it to me. ;) ;D
The Boy lpg'd his 3.0 grumpy mv6 for 5-600 i believe, with single hole 80(?) litre tank in the boot space. Mine was 800 with a more expensive but smaller upright donut tank in the spare wheel well. Both fitted diy by the owners. :y
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i woldn't haave thought it would be a problem as the 3.2 is a heavy lump
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i woldn't haave thought it would be a problem as the 3.2 is a heavy lump
It sounds as though you've already made up your mind to have a diseasal Irmscher Elite :-?
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2.5td prone to cracked heads, melt thier engine mount with turbo and eat thier ar25 gearboxs, and thats before its been chipped to get any oompf out of it in the first place...afaik.
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nice car thou. taxi anyone! ;D ;D
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lpg it ya nutter, or sell it to me. ;)
As i said i sold it at christmas it went for £ 2000.00 i can buy it back for the same amount i sold it for plus the price of 4 tyres which have now been fitted the guy who bought it has only done 500 miles in it
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lpg it ya nutter, or sell it to me. ;)
As i said i sold it at christmas it went for £ 2000.00 i can buy it back for the same amount i sold it for plus the price of 4 tyres which have now been fitted the guy who bought it has only done 500 miles in it
so sell it on to me as is?
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lpg it ya nutter, or sell it to me. ;)
As i said i sold it at christmas it went for £ 2000.00 i can buy it back for the same amount i sold it for plus the price of 4 tyres which have now been fitted the guy who bought it has only done 500 miles in it
Once you have 50 posts, if you stuck it up for sale at £2500 on here...you would have plenty of members interested. £2000 was a cheap price.
Your dilemna really is, LPG it...or buy a diesel version?
EDIT: Chris will give it a good home, sell it to him and buy a nice Diesel version :y
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I am pretty sure its a criminal offence to put a diesel engine in a car like that. :y :D ;D
Seriously though, it would be a shame to spoil it. Lpg it mate and you will have a car which is pretty close to the ultimate Omega :y
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so sell it on to me as is?
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NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO i want it back but better on fuel :D
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....i want it back but better on fuel :D
then do as suggested. Forget the 'Fuel of Satan' idea & fill your boot with an LPG tank. :y
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....i want it back but better on fuel :D
then do as suggested. Forget the 'Fuel of Satan' idea & fill your boot with an LPG tank. :y
where would i put the wife and kids then ;D
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so sell it on to me as is?
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO i want it back but better on fuel :D[/quote]
YEEEESSSSSS you know you want to.
LPG mate, whats the average price of lpg? 64.9 round here, 1.19 for petrol.(bargain)
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hi guys i used to have a 3.2 elite with full irmscher kit on it on a 52 plate sadly i had to sell it at christmas (money problems) i have just bought a 2.5 TD on a R plate and im wondering what would be involved in fitting the 2.5 TD in the 3.2 elite 52 plate car as the gut i sold it to will sell it me back has this been done before or is it a no dont try it
TIA
Stay calm. The nice men in white coats will be along soon to take you away. You will feel a little injection and then it will all feel much better.......................... :-/
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hi guys i used to have a 3.2 elite with full irmscher kit on it on a 52 plate sadly i had to sell it at christmas (money problems) i have just bought a 2.5 TD on a R plate and im wondering what would be involved in fitting the 2.5 TD in the 3.2 elite 52 plate car as the gut i sold it to will sell it me back has this been done before or is it a no dont try it
TIA
Stay calm. The nice men in white coats will be along soon to take you away. You will feel a little injection and then it will all feel much better.......................... :-/
;D fair comment really. ;D
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so to sum up turning the car into a tractor is not a good idea that said i would still like to know can it be done
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so to sum up turning the car into a tractor is not a good idea that said i would still like to know can it be done
We've gone back to the start of the topic. :-? :-?
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so to sum up turning the car into a tractor is not a good idea that said i would still like to know can it be done
We've gone back to the start of the topic. :-? :-?
groundhog day..
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you can turn it into a combine harvester given enough cash, but i think you'll find its cheaper and easier to just by a combine harvester in the first place. ::)
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that's the kind of thing that I do....
converting this to Diesel would be possible, but it would take a lot of time to do properly. a good estimate for the work would be in the region of £3K (labour only). Consider what you'd need.....
to find an engine in decent condition.
have it chipped to get any useful performance
remove the current engine, underbonnet wiring and the fuel system, together with the in-car wiring that supports the fuel system (dash out to do properly)
retro-fit the fuel system, transmission including ECU/electrical system.
retro-fit the engine and ancillaries, etc
convert to drive-by-throttle cable
probably re-engineer the ABS/Traction Control to accept the non DBW signal
you'd also need a new wiring loom drawing up
and then there's convincing DVLA that it's all kosher
there are easier jobs.
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that's the kind of thing that I do....
converting this to Diesel would be possible, but it would take a lot of time to do properly. a good estimate for the work would be in the region of £3K (labour only). Consider what you'd need.....
to find an engine in decent condition.
have it chipped to get any useful performance
remove the current engine, underbonnet wiring and the fuel system, together with the in-car wiring that supports the fuel system (dash out to do properly)
retro-fit the fuel system, transmission including ECU/electrical system.
retro-fit the engine and ancillaries, etc
convert to drive-by-throttle cable
probably re-engineer the ABS/Traction Control to accept the non DBW signal
you'd also need a new wiring loom drawing up
and then there's convincing DVLA that it's all kosher
there are easier jobs.
when you put it like that Stu .......
it sounds dead easy! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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im not doing it to sell im doing it to keep i only sold the car as i was doing space ship millage and couldn't afford to fuel it in my view i would have the luxury of the elite with the irmscher kit and the mpg of the tractor best of both worlds
don't go there :y :y :y :y You'd have a nice looking car that sounded like a taxi! ;D ;D ;D
Ask The Boy how much he liks BMW's lump, apparently they're not all they're cracked up to be ;) ;)
Beg to differ
I filled mine with flood water in July 07 & it's still running perfectly
:)
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im not doing it to sell im doing it to keep i only sold the car as i was doing space ship millage and couldn't afford to fuel it in my view i would have the luxury of the elite with the irmscher kit and the mpg of the tractor best of both worlds
don't go there :y :y :y :y You'd have a nice looking car that sounded like a taxi! ;D ;D ;D
Ask The Boy how much he liks BMW's lump, apparently they're not all they're cracked up to be ;) ;)
Beg to differ
I filled mine with flood water in July 07 & it's still running perfectly
:)
I'm only quoting Jamie :y
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that lot is enuf to put anyone off and thats not a complete list
so ive give up on the idea :o
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that lot is enuf to put anyone off and thats not a complete list
so ive give up on the idea :o
You know it makes sense! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :y
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if I didn't have at least twenty other projects, I'd volunteer
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If you've already got a wheesel donor car it won't be to hard to do but I still wouldn't do it. If you buy the Elite then I would suggest LPG is the route to follow ;)