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Title: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 05 August 2010, 22:00:03
my 3.2 auto that i've just picked up died while trying to reverse up a slight incline out of a parking bay, it took a good few attempts and stalls before it managed it.

no eml lights came on,

what should it be idling at as it seems like there wasn't enough revs to get it up the slope.

mines idling just above 500
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 August 2010, 22:05:56
Just above 500 is fine. :y

Something is wrong if it's stalling, though.

Might be worth trying a "pedal test" and see if any codes are flashed out. Not all problems light the engine light. http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1189022687

Kevin
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 05 August 2010, 22:20:50
cheers just done the pedal test

P0330 Knock sensor 2 circuit high input (Bank 2)
P0330 Knock sensor 2 circuit low input (Bank 2)

P0340 CamshaftPosition sensor circuit high input
P0340 CamshaftPosition Sensor Signal Missing
P0340 CamshaftPosition Sensor Circuit Range/Performance
P0340 CamshaftPosition sensor circuit low input

P0650 Malfunction Indicator (MI) Control Circuit High Instrument
P0650 Malfunction Indicator (MI) Control Circuit Low Instrument
P0650 Malfunction Indicator (MI) Control Circuit Open Instrument

i know about knock sensors from my vectra gsi

does the camshaft sensor show up because the engines not running?

not sure on the 0650 though
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: feeutfo on 05 August 2010, 22:27:51
Mil bulb removed?

Other two sensors I believe are a prime case for getting trapped afterwork done perhaps? Cam covers possibly?

Cam sensor almost bullet proof on v engines, almost.
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 August 2010, 22:35:08
Well, it looks like the engine management light has been removed or the bulb has blown (the codes are flashed out on the emissions light which is a separate circuit).

Cam sensor and / or knock sensor? Both not common failures in themselves but they are both connected close together on the loom, just at the front of the cable tray that runs along the passenger side cam cover.

I can't remember if they have the same type of connector but possible the two connections have been swapped over perhaps? Failing that look for any damage to the wiring loom in that area.
 
Kevin
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 05 August 2010, 22:47:37
the exhaust emission light (little engine) doesn't come on with the ignition but the engine electronics light (car+spanner) comes on and goes off when started
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: davethediver on 05 August 2010, 23:01:55
sounds like a bulbs out :-/
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: feeutfo on 05 August 2010, 23:06:03
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Well, it looks like the engine management light has been removed or the bulb has blown (the codes are flashed out on the emissions light which is a separate circuit).

Cam sensor and / or knock sensor? Both not common failures in themselves but they are both connected close together on the loom, just at the front of the cable tray that runs along the passenger side cam cover.

I can't remember if they have the same type of connector but possible the two connections have been swapped over perhaps? Failing that look for any damage to the wiring loom in that area.
 
Kevin

Cof,car spanner light, cofcof ahem .  ::)
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 August 2010, 23:14:30
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Cof,car spanner light, cofcof ahem .  ::)

Ahh. :-[ Wrong way round. In that case I'm surprised the EML isn't on given the faults, unless they are not currently present.

Kevin
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 06 August 2010, 01:02:30
None of the above codes would cause a stall though would they?
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: TheBoy on 06 August 2010, 11:04:53
Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Kevin Wood on 06 August 2010, 11:17:36
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Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y

Agreed.

I was expecting to see a 0335 in the list. Might still be a crank sensor issue, I suppose. Knock sensor won't cause any stalling issues. Cam sensor will probably cause it to run rough but as you say, I'd be surprised if it causes stalling.

Worth a chat with a Tech 2 and a look at the live data, IMHO.

Kevin
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 06 August 2010, 11:40:47
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Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y


done :)

i suppose if one of the sensors caused it to run a bit rough then it could have dropped the revs enough to stall it
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: TheBoy on 06 August 2010, 12:00:41
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Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y


done :)

i suppose if one of the sensors caused it to run a bit rough then it could have dropped the revs enough to stall it
Looks like you are halfway between Kevin Wood and I.  See my signature ;)
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 06 August 2010, 12:15:43
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Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y


done :)

i suppose if one of the sensors caused it to run a bit rough then it could have dropped the revs enough to stall it
Looks like you are halfway between Kevin Wood and I.  See my signature ;)


cool will bear that in mind, got a few others bits to look into first  :)
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: feeutfo on 06 August 2010, 12:23:59
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Why not update your profile with your location?  Might be good to give this car a going over with a Tech2, clearing out everything, so we have a known base to start from :y

Agreed.

I was expecting to see a 0335 in the list.....
......and pre cat, ESP given the the dash bulb removed.
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 07 August 2010, 18:48:03
this might explain something  >:(

the previous owner

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would the fault code 0430 put the car into limp mode?

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no worries, i pulled the bulb until i get chance to move the sensors. Just out of interest, how much am i looking at for a new precat?
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: davethediver on 07 August 2010, 19:03:13
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this might explain something  >:(

the previous owner

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would the fault code 0430 put the car into limp mode?

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no worries, i pulled the bulb until i get chance to move the sensors. Just out of interest, how much am i looking at for a new precat?

Think it needs a lamba sensor moving ::)
Title: Re: 3.2 auto stalled- correct idling speed
Post by: Gee-dub-ya on 08 August 2010, 14:14:01
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this might explain something  >:(

the previous owner

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would the fault code 0430 put the car into limp mode?

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no worries, i pulled the bulb until i get chance to move the sensors. Just out of interest, how much am i looking at for a new precat?

Think it needs a lamba sensor moving ::)

the whole car needs moving....... back up to cambs, not just the lambda sensor  :-X