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Title: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 01:50:11

I've got a timing chain.   ::)   Are there guidelines on when and if these should be checked, changed, retensioned or whatever.
Not that I have a problem but forewarned is forearmed.
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kevin Wood on 29 August 2010, 09:36:12
Generally, it's only worth inspecting the timing chain if the engine is coming apart anyway or you suspect a problem due to rattling, etc.

Keep the oil changes regular and it should practically last the life of the engine.

Kevin
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 10:00:37

That's what I was hoping to hear. I was getting concerned after reading all the paranoidal (is that a word) posts about cambelts. I will sleep easier tonight.    Thanks  :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: tunnie on 29 August 2010, 13:04:43
on the TD oil changes every 3.5k max  :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 15:42:02


Thanks Tunnie that means it's due now.    :'(
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Welung666 on 29 August 2010, 17:03:03
Mine was due when I got back from Scotland 3 weeks ago, been that busy doing everyone elses car I've not had chance yet!
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 17:23:41

Damn!!!!  you could've done mine while you were here.   :'(
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 17:32:31


Wait a minute though, you could take some photos and do a guide for the maintenance section on TD's.  :D  :D  :D :D 
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Elite Pete on 29 August 2010, 19:26:17
Did my chain's, tensioners and guides a few months ago. Get the parts from BMW as they are about £100 cheaper than Vauxhall oh and its not a nice job to do ::)
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Welung666 on 29 August 2010, 19:35:47
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Damn!!!!  you could've done mine while you were here.   :'(

It's only overdue a service. I'm not doing the chain :P

Besides I was the wrong side of Ecosseland for you, stayed in Invernan and Drumnadrochit.
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 19:37:50
What was your motivation for tackling the job. Routine maintenance, noisy chain, or just like a challenge.   :)

When you say £100 cheaper what was the total cost then?
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 19:46:00
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Damn!!!!  you could've done mine while you were here.   :'(

It's only overdue a service. I'm not doing the chain :P

Besides I was the wrong side of Ecosseland for you, stayed in Invernan and Drumnadrochit.

I didn't mean the chain either, I stared into the bowels of my engine trying to spot the oil filter and when I spotted it through a tiny crevice in the maze of wires, cables, tubes and pipes I thought to myself. Someone should write a guide on this.   Then you answered my post.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Welung666 on 29 August 2010, 19:47:57
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Damn!!!!  you could've done mine while you were here.   :'(

It's only overdue a service. I'm not doing the chain :P

Besides I was the wrong side of Ecosseland for you, stayed in Invernan and Drumnadrochit.

I didn't mean the chain either, I stared into the bowels of my engine trying to spot the oil filter and when I spotted it through a tiny crevice in the maze of wires, cables, tubes and pipes I thought to myself. Someone should write a guide on this.   Then you answered my post.  ;D ;D ;D

I can do ;) Easiest way to the filter is from underneath with the undertray off :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 19:56:37

I'll watch the maintenance guide  for an update. Thanks for that.     :y    No pressure  ;D
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Omegatoy on 29 August 2010, 20:03:59
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Damn!!!!  you could've done mine while you were here.   :'(

It's only overdue a service. I'm not doing the chain :P

Besides I was the wrong side of Ecosseland for you, stayed in Invernan and Drumnadrochit.

I didn't mean the chain either, I stared into the bowels of my engine trying to spot the oil filter and when I spotted it through a tiny crevice in the maze of wires, cables, tubes and pipes I thought to myself. Someone should write a guide on this.   Then you answered my post.  ;D ;D ;D

I can do ;) Easiest way to the filter is from underneath with the undertray off :y

????? on a TD,? I wouldnt like to try doing the filter from underneath!!! ;D
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 20:28:22

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????? on a TD,? I wouldnt like to try doing the filter from underneath!!! ;D

OK,  Laughing boy (rhyming slang for Omegatoy)  ;D  ;D

How do you get through that maze from the top end
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Elite Pete on 29 August 2010, 21:28:04
The oil filter on a diesel is really easy to do. Its on the passenger side of the engine and is really easy to do from the top :y

The parts for the chain,tensioner,guide replacement were £200 all in and that included the front cover gasket and crank shaft oil seal ;)
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 21:56:30
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The oil filter on a diesel is really easy to do. Its on the passenger side of the engine and is really easy to do from the top :y

The parts for the chain,tensioner,guide replacement were £200 all in and that included the front cover gasket and crank shaft oil seal ;)

Ok, I'll be giving it a go this weekend, the filter that is not the chain. I'll leave that till it becomes noisy.

Reasonable price for all the bits. Thanks for the input.  :y

Note to Omegatoy, no offence meant with the rhyming slang.
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Omegatoy on 29 August 2010, 22:06:29
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The oil filter on a diesel is really easy to do. Its on the passenger side of the engine and is really easy to do from the top :y

The parts for the chain,tensioner,guide replacement were £200 all in and that included the front cover gasket and crank shaft oil seal ;)

Ok, I'll be giving it a go this weekend, the filter that is not the chain. I'll leave that till it becomes noisy.

Reasonable price for all the bits. Thanks for the input.  :y

Note to Omegatoy, no offence meant with the rhyming slang.
none taken at all mate, just make sure you get the correct oil filter though there are two types one will fit both but dont filter the oil on the wrong one!!, if you look closely at the maze of pipes and wires you will see a couple of them can be unplugged to ease access to the filter remember to plug them back in when you have finished, also when you undo the filter you will hear oil running into the sump, so dont change the oil and refill before you change the filter!!! they must be done at the same time, i.e undo the filter while the oil is draining from the sump that way it all comes out!! and you will need six litres to fill it back up!! :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 22:31:29


All points noted. I'm quite looking forward to having a go at this now. I'll let you know how I get on after the weekend. Thanks for your views on this.  :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: aaronjb on 29 August 2010, 22:57:23
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none taken at all mate, just make sure you get the correct oil filter though there are two types one will fit both but dont filter the oil on the wrong one!!

This worries me..  ;D So far I've bought two - one from Opie Oils and one from Halfrauds, and I'm sure they're both the wrong one for my car..  :(

Not actually taken the filter can lid off to check, yet, but.. I suspect they're both for the later 'plastic lid' type (mine has the earlier/BMW metal lid - in fact I suspect it had a BMW engine dropped in at some point)..

Is there an idiot proof way of determining which is which without taking the old one out and sitting them side by side?
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: CaptainZok on 29 August 2010, 23:15:34
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none taken at all mate, just make sure you get the correct oil filter though there are two types one will fit both but dont filter the oil on the wrong one!!

This worries me..  ;D So far I've bought two - one from Opie Oils and one from Halfrauds, and I'm sure they're both the wrong one for my car..  :(

Not actually taken the filter can lid off to check, yet, but.. I suspect they're both for the later 'plastic lid' type (mine has the earlier/BMW metal lid - in fact I suspect it had a BMW engine dropped in at some point)..

Is there an idiot proof way of determining which is which without taking the old one out and sitting them side by side?
You could quite possibly get the engine number off the block and compare it with what the epc thinks it was when it left the factory to see if it's had an engine swap sometime in it's life.
God knows where it is on a tractor block though.
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Turk on 29 August 2010, 23:38:55
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none taken at all mate, just make sure you get the correct oil filter though there are two types one will fit both but dont filter the oil on the wrong one!!

This worries me..  ;D So far I've bought two - one from Opie Oils and one from Halfrauds, and I'm sure they're both the wrong one for my car..  :(

Not actually taken the filter can lid off to check, yet, but.. I suspect they're both for the later 'plastic lid' type (mine has the earlier/BMW metal lid - in fact I suspect it had a BMW engine dropped in at some point)..

Is there an idiot proof way of determining which is which without taking the old one out and sitting them side by side?

:-?

All Omega 2.5td's use the BMW straight six.

Edit:  or did you mean a BMW engine...as opposed to the Vauxhall 'BMW' engine ? (The difference being a re-chip to return it to the full BMW bhp).
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: aaronjb on 29 August 2010, 23:49:12
I mean a replacement engine out of a BMW, as opposed to out of a Vauxhall .. I know it's generically the same engine, but - as someone pointed out to me - it's the U25TD in my car, but the engine cover (the plastic bit) had 'X25' in yellow pen marked on it when I bought the car..

And somehow I doubt that's a Vauxhall original marking ;)  ;D looks much more like what a scrapper uses to mark things up on the shelf..

(It'll still have the original Vx ECU though, so still 120-odd bhp as opposed to whatever the engine puts out in the BMW.. 150ish, wasn't it?)
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Turk on 29 August 2010, 23:59:47
Chip it !  More bhp and more mpg.  :y

P.M The Boy, he knows 'a man that can' re sourcing a bargain chip. 

As for fitting the chip, there's a 'How to' in the Maintainance section.

Straight forward re chip if it's a manual, but an AR35 box will be needed if it's an auto.   
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 29 August 2010, 23:59:49


The vauhall BMW engine can be either the 25DT or X25DT  :y
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Kneepad on 30 August 2010, 00:03:18
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Chip it !  More bhp and more mpg.  :y

P.M The Boy, he knows 'a man that can' re sourcing a bargain chip. 

As for fitting the chip, there's a 'How to' in the Maintainance section.

Straight forward re chip if it's a manual, but an AR35 box will be needed if it's an auto.   

Hold on with the PM to The Boy.  I just got this automated reply :

I am unable to answer your recent PM to me, and due to the 50 message limit on my Inbox, this message may get deleted without being seen by me. If you message is about OOF, please contact another member of the Admin Team.

He's on holiday.  What a cheek.   :P
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: Omegatoy on 30 August 2010, 07:21:16
easiest way to tell the filters apart is, if you have a metal top cannister on the car then the ends of the fiter itself it has rubber/plastic/nylon small extensions , plastic top cannister has flat ends with no extensions,
MAN filter number from memory are
metal top cannister 938/1
plastic top cannister 848/1
hope this helps?
Title: Re: No Cambelt on my car
Post by: aaronjb on 30 August 2010, 09:46:54
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easiest way to tell the filters apart is, if you have a metal top cannister on the car then the ends of the fiter itself it has rubber/plastic/nylon small extensions , plastic top cannister has flat ends with no extensions,
MAN filter number from memory are
metal top cannister 938/1
plastic top cannister 848/1
hope this helps?

It most certainly does! Thanks :) With that I can check the two filters I've got, and if they're the wrong ones... get the right one before I start the job (as opposed to half way through the job, like normal  ;D )

Gracias señor.