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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: duggs on 27 September 2010, 13:56:13
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A neighbour, having seen my Elite is on the look out for an Omega but sais he only wants a 2.2...based on fuel consumption.
No matter how much I say he simply doesn't "think" he wants the V6.
The question: Do any of the 2.0 or 2.2 owners really wish they had the V6 and for what reason.
I know it's "horses for courses" but I'm trying to convince the chap that such a large heavy car really needs the V6 engine for overall power/performance and economy. Am I talking crap (again) basically.
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our 2.2 was thirsty based on being a little underpowered, so a lot of time spent heavy footed.
a 3.0 manual can be more economical.
a 2.5 / 2.6 manual is the best of both worlds :y
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I've heard the 2.2 isn't that much better on economy due to having to work harder.
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imo fuel consumptions wont be very different as miggies are all heavy.. repair on v6s a bit harder though and requires more effort..
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He simply needs to drive both cars and what about LPG??
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I have a V6 (2.5 CDX auto) and I am crying with the fuel "economy" of the thing. I get 21-23 MPG. I'm trying to sort an LPG conversion or maybe sell it and get something already on LPG or a TDI of some sort.
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I drive a 2.2 auto & on petrol I got 22mpg around town at very best! every £10 worth of petrol got me around 40 miles so approx. 25p/mile based on £1.12p/ltr. Since LPG conversion, I am still returning a mean average of 22-23 mpg at a cost average of 16p/mile based on £0.56p/ltr; despite being told that gas returns less mileage because of lower calorific value. These figures are based on running costs logged since 5th. July. :y
P.S. The lpg average of 16p/mile includes the cost of petrol used to start the car before lpg switchover!
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My previous experiance of LPG converted cars suggests that the performance and economy drop when running on gas which everybody talks about is widely overstated.
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My previous experiance of LPG converted cars suggests that the performance and economy drop when running on gas which everybody talks about is widely overstated.
As stated above Alistair, my mean mpg on gas has actually improved on my previous petrol consumption, yet I do the same runs every day under broadly the same driving conditions. The only difference in performance i've noticed is a slight hesitation at the top of the rev range (5-6000rpm) which I am led to believe is probably due to shortcomings in the lpg vapouriser. Normal driving/accelleration is identical whether on petrol or lpg :y
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I drive a 2.2 auto & on petrol I got 22mpg around town at very best! every £10 worth of petrol got me around 40 miles so approx. 25p/mile based on £1.12p/ltr. Since LPG conversion, I am still returning a mean average of 22-23 mpg at a cost average of 16p/mile based on £0.56p/ltr; despite being told that gas returns less mileage because of lower calorific value. These figures are based on running costs logged since 5th. July. :y
P.S. The lpg average of 16p/mile includes the cost of petrol used to start the car before lpg switchover!
Those figures are virtually identical to my 2.5 v6. ;)
As for the original question. If the chap is concerned about economy, then he probably shouldnt buy any petrol engined Omega. Unless it has LPG conversion imo.
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v6 every time
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If he is that bothered about economy then any standard petrol Omega is not really the car for him.
My 2.6 V6 does about 26 mpg; but as it's LPG it only costs me about £45 to fill it, with this i can do about 350 miles.
On petrol it would cost me about £70 to get me roughly the same distance, maybe a few miles more.
As far as performance, i see very little, if any diffenence.
The only sacrafice is a smaller boot, which I can live with :y
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My missus's 2.0 (manual gearbox) gets close to 30mpg average, and mostly only does short urban/suburban journeys.
Driven gently, it's not too bad for its mass.
Probably not the engine of choice for anyone who has something to prove on the road though.
As for maintenance, I'm very glad she doesn't have a V6; so many jobs that are pretty easy on the 4-pot sound balls-achey on the Vs. :)
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Overall economy really dedends on what sort of driving your neigbour does. If he does alot of motorway miles driven carfully I have returned mid thirties mpg, on the other hand town driving really nails fuel comsumption. I have noticed a corrollation between average speed and fuel use they seem to work out the same, e.g. 18 mph = 18 mpg 21 mph = 21 mpg.
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Stick your foot down Tony and you'll be laughing, average speed 60 ;D ;D ;D
Can't vouch for a V6 but the 2.2 isn't that economical IME.
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v6.
- Tony, that does quite extrapolate, perhaps I need to drive faster. Every time I drive mine the ave mpg goes up a bit - indeed on the last little trip the range went *up* over the first 20 miles. However, driving at 60-70 doesn't get me to 60mpg - Ah, its a slushbox I knew there was a reason!
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Cant read a lot of your post because your avatar is blocking it. ;)
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Overall economy really dedends on what sort of driving your neigbour does. If he does alot of motorway miles driven carfully I have returned mid thirties mpg, on the other hand town driving really nails fuel comsumption. I have noticed a corrollation between average speed and fuel use they seem to work out the same, e.g. 18 mph = 18 mpg 21 mph = 21 mpg.
[/highlight] Some people have obviously misunderstood this post the link between mpg and mph only applies to town driving :-? wouldn't it be good if you got 60 mpg at 60 mph :)
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FWIW if you want economy buy a 4 cyl diesel, you may or may not feel this suits the car - and I definitely see the attraction of a V6 Omega for wafting along but I bought my 2.2 DTi estate for the combination of space and relative economy, and so far not been disappointed.
Right now I'm showing 40.4 to 40.5 mpg on the t/c which I'm sure is not strictly accurate (I have checked and wasn't too far off) but I can definitely live with this given the space / comfort / equipment even in a lowly CD.
Not checked recently but I dare sat there is a premium for diesel - but you'll get that back on resale and enjoy fuel savings in the meantime if you can live with manual - and not the quickest journey times.
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My missus's 2.0 (manual gearbox) gets close to 30mpg average, and mostly only does short urban/suburban journeys.
Driven gently, it's not too bad for its mass.
Probably not the engine of choice for anyone who has something to prove on the road though.
As for maintenance, I'm very glad she doesn't have a V6; so many jobs that are pretty easy on the 4-pot sound balls-achey on the Vs. :)
That tends to be my line of thinking, I do not need to drive at high speed and the 4 pot is much simpler to work on, how many horror stories do we hear on here with the V6 :D If I wanted a fast car, the Omega would not be on the list.... :D :D
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My 2.2 petrol auto has awful economy round town, 22-23 mpg. But the handling is so nice I can't get rid of it.
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Well, long term I would have thought it would be better to have a big engine to push such weight along.
Logically a 2.0 or 2.2 is having to work alot harder, wearing out "bits" quicker to do the same thing.
BUT hey...I ain't no expert or mechanic.
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Get a 2.6 manual. Best of both worlds then.
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I would always recommend going for the V6 if you enjoy powerful driving and do not mind the running costs too much!!
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Six cylinders in a line is the way to go (Traktors rule) :D
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any car with the weight over 1.6 tons in city traffic wont be economical regardless of your driving style..
if you are talking about a weight of 900 kg and 1.6 litre 4 pot , that may have some chance ;D
until you hammer it ;D :P
I've tried with miggy the slowest style and all I can reach was approx 10litre/100 km (home to office)
if I try the same with clit I can get 5.7litre/100 km in the same route.. :-/
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any car with the weight over 1.6 tons in city traffic wont be economical regardless of your driving style..
if you are talking about a weight of 900 kg and 1.6 litre 4 pot , that may have some chance ;D
until you hammer it ;D :P
I've tried with miggy the slowest style and all I can reach was approx 10litre/100 km (home to office)
if I try the same with clit I can get 5.7litre/100 km in the same route.. :-/
Speak English Cem ;)
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any car with the weight over 1.6 tons in city traffic wont be economical regardless of your driving style..
if you are talking about a weight of 900 kg and 1.6 litre 4 pot , that may have some chance ;D
until you hammer it ;D :P
I've tried with miggy the slowest style and all I can reach was approx 10litre/100 km (home to office)
if I try the same with clit I can get 5.7litre/100 km in the same route.. :-/
Speak English Cem ;)
what you are not using litre ;D ;D :y
here you go
10 lt/100 km =28 mpg
5.7lt/100 km =50 mpg
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6 cylinders and 2 pedals :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Get a V6 and disconnect 2 injectors
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FWIW if you want economy buy a 4 cyl diesel, you may or may not feel this suits the car - and I definitely see the attraction of a V6 Omega for wafting along but I bought my 2.2 DTi estate for the combination of space and relative economy, and so far not been disappointed.
Right now I'm showing 40.4 to 40.5 mpg on the t/c which I'm sure is not strictly accurate (I have checked and wasn't too far off) but I can definitely live with this given the space / comfort / equipment even in a lowly CD.
Not checked recently but I dare sat there is a premium for diesel - but you'll get that back on resale and enjoy fuel savings in the meantime if you can live with manual - and not the quickest journey times.
Got to agree, I use my DTi Elite for my daily work commute and when going on holiday etc and it's saving me a fortune over using the 3.2 Elite.
I worked out that based on fuel savings the price I paid for the DTi estate meant that it had paid for itself (purchase price) in 8 months. SWMBO now has the estate and because I was so impressed I went out and bought a DTi Saloon as a replacement.
Sadly the V6 doesn't get used quite as much now but maybe i'll get around to LPG'ing it and have the ability to use any of the common fuels available at the forecourt and just fillup with whatever the cheapest is that week!
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Get a V6 and disconnect 2 injectors
hemi ? ;D ;D :y
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Get a V6 and disconnect 2 injectors
hemi ? ;D ;D :y
Needs a circuit to randomise the shutdowns to stop the bores glazing up :y
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any car with the weight over 1.6 tons in city traffic wont be economical regardless of your driving style..
if you are talking about a weight of 900 kg and 1.6 litre 4 pot , that may have some chance ;D
until you hammer it ;D :P
I've tried with miggy the slowest style and all I can reach was approx 10litre/100 km (home to office)
if I try the same with clit I can get 5.7litre/100 km in the same route.. :-/
Speak English Cem ;)
what you are not using litre ;D ;D :y
here you go
10 lt/100 km =28 mpg
5.7lt/100 km =50 mpg
Buy it in ltrs calculate consumption in miles per gallon kilometers/litres does not compute I'm at that age Cem :( ;)
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any car with the weight over 1.6 tons in city traffic wont be economical regardless of your driving style..
if you are talking about a weight of 900 kg and 1.6 litre 4 pot , that may have some chance ;D
until you hammer it ;D :P
I've tried with miggy the slowest style and all I can reach was approx 10litre/100 km (home to office)
if I try the same with clit I can get 5.7litre/100 km in the same route.. :-/
Speak English Cem ;)
what you are not using litre ;D ;D :y
here you go
10 lt/100 km =28 mpg
5.7lt/100 km =50 mpg
Buy it in ltrs calculate consumption in miles per gallon kilometers/litres does not compute I'm at that age Cem :( ;)
sounds complicated ;D :y