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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: berserkerboy on 11 October 2010, 09:38:31

Title: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: berserkerboy on 11 October 2010, 09:38:31
Hi all

X reg 2.0 16v omega estate gets really misted up even with the fans on. Particularly noticeable on cool damp days. I don't have the air recirculation on but maybe it is stuck? I have to open the windows for a while to clear, which is not so good when it is chucking it down here in Wales as it usually is! Any advice appreciated other than move!!
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Sixstring on 11 October 2010, 09:45:14
Is Uckfield, east sussex close to Wales, then??    LOL!


You might just have a leak from the heater system water somewhere, mate, in all seriousness. are you losing any water??
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Omega 37 on 11 October 2010, 09:47:20
Have you checked the cabin filter & made sure the scuttle is unblocked as per the maintenance guide?
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Cliffo B on 11 October 2010, 10:07:09
I think it's got to be your scuttle drain, as already mentioned,good maintenance guide,fairly easy fix, so well worth a check out :y
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: alank46 on 11 October 2010, 13:24:28
And while you are there check that the recirc flap is in fact working.  Its at the bottom of the hole where the scuttle drain lives.
Alan

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I think it's got to be your scuttle drain, as already mentioned,good maintenance guide,fairly easy fix, so well worth a check out :y
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Kieran on 11 October 2010, 20:23:36
The estates are prone to misting. I have always had a problem with mine and find that the only way to clear it properly is to have the air con on. Check the scuttle tray and replace the pollen filter as this may help. I also ensure that my windscreen is kept very clean and on the side windows i use an Anti mist product that you can pick up from Halfords. The downside to this product is that it can leave a smearing on the inside of your windows hence i don't recommend it on the front windscreen. You can also try leaving the load cover open as this will allow air to move more freely inside.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: dbug on 11 October 2010, 22:49:39
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Is Uckfield, east sussex close to Wales, then??    LOL!


You might just have a leak from the heater system water somewhere, mate, in all seriousness. are you losing any water??

Yep - it was moved there by the last government  ;)
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: jonnycool on 11 October 2010, 23:34:11
My windscreen mists up easily without the air-con on as well. My scuttle drains are clear (it was worse when they weren't) and misting is always worse when you switch from air-con on to off

I would think that recirculating the air without air-con on would just move humid air round the cabin, so wouldn't solve the problem
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: aaronjb on 11 October 2010, 23:53:18
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My windscreen mists up easily without the air-con on as well. My scuttle drains are clear (it was worse when they weren't) and misting is always worse when you switch from air-con on to off

I would think that recirculating the air without air-con on would just move humid air round the cabin, so wouldn't solve the problem

But aircon dehumidifies air (because the water in the air condenses on the cold aircon unit - which is why a/c always has a drain to the outside of the car) - it's better to dehumidify air that's already been dehumidified than draw fresh humid air in and dehumidify that.. one way the air gets gradually less and less humid and the other, it doesn't.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: bob.dent on 12 October 2010, 09:41:48
I seem to remember Mark DTM posted a procedure that reset the air recirculation flaps some time ago. This cured the problem for me but I can't remember the procedure. Anyone?
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: jonnycool on 12 October 2010, 11:39:16
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My windscreen mists up easily without the air-con on as well. My scuttle drains are clear (it was worse when they weren't) and misting is always worse when you switch from air-con on to off

I would think that recirculating the air without air-con on would just move humid air round the cabin, so wouldn't solve the problem

But aircon dehumidifies air (because the water in the air condenses on the cold aircon unit - which is why a/c always has a drain to the outside of the car) - it's better to dehumidify air that's already been dehumidified than draw fresh humid air in and dehumidify that.. one way the air gets gradually less and less humid and the other, it doesn't.
He doesn't say whether he has a/c or not, you are right about the recirculation otherwise, of course  :y
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Jimbob on 12 October 2010, 11:41:38
are the cubby holes at the back clear?  or full of junk, as these are part of the airflow iirc.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Omega_Dan on 12 October 2010, 11:44:09
try and air the car if you can (on your drive) i left all the windows open on mine all day whilst i was home on a dry sunny day as i had a slight misting problem and now all is well.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: berserkerboy on 14 October 2010, 09:30:32
Sorry for the delay in replying to all your advice which is much appreciated. Uckfield is not in Wales else it would rain more!
Back to the condensation. I have aircon but it packed up in May. Probably just needs a recharge?
I keep the scuttle drains clear but will recheck. I will check that the recirculation flap is working and that the cubby holes in the rear are clear. I am not losing any water.
Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: bob.dent on 14 October 2010, 09:49:19
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Sorry for the delay in replying to all your advice which is much appreciated. Uckfield is not in Wales else it would rain more!
Back to the condensation. I have aircon but it packed up in May. Probably just needs a recharge?
I keep the scuttle drains clear but will recheck. I will check that the recirculation flap is working and that the cubby holes in the rear are clear. I am not losing any water.
Thanks everyone.

As I said above, there is a way to reset the starting position of the air recirculation flaps by holding certain buttons in together but I can't remember the sequence. I think Jimbob is going to be posting up a "How To" in the maintenance section soon.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: aaronjb on 14 October 2010, 10:01:16
I believe holding "Auto" and "Off" for 6 seconds (it might be 10..) does it; you hear all the flaps & doors cycle through their positions and everything clunk & whirr for a bit, then your settings are all reset to default.
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: Entwood on 14 October 2010, 12:08:00
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Sorry for the delay in replying to all your advice which is much appreciated. Uckfield is not in Wales else it would rain more!
Back to the condensation. I have aircon but it packed up in May. Probably just needs a recharge?
I keep the scuttle drains clear but will recheck. I will check that the recirculation flap is working and that the cubby holes in the rear are clear. I am not losing any water.
Thanks everyone.

As I said above, there is a way to reset the starting position of the air recirculation flaps by holding certain buttons in together but I can't remember the sequence. I think Jimbob is going to be posting up a "How To" in the maintenance section soon.

"auto" and "off" together for 5 secs ..  :)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf

Page 133 middle column ...  :)
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: bob.dent on 14 October 2010, 12:19:52
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Sorry for the delay in replying to all your advice which is much appreciated. Uckfield is not in Wales else it would rain more!
Back to the condensation. I have aircon but it packed up in May. Probably just needs a recharge?
I keep the scuttle drains clear but will recheck. I will check that the recirculation flap is working and that the cubby holes in the rear are clear. I am not losing any water.
Thanks everyone.

As I said above, there is a way to reset the starting position of the air recirculation flaps by holding certain buttons in together but I can't remember the sequence. I think Jimbob is going to be posting up a "How To" in the maintenance section soon.

"auto" and "off" together for 5 secs ..  :)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf

Page 133 middle column ...  :)

Yes, this is the method to reset the climate control servo motors I believe. There is another reset that MDTM posted on here involving pressing the air recirculation button. His post included an extract from Vauxhall stating that if the voltage fell below a certain level, the climate system wouldn't recognise the start postion of the air recirc flaps (or something like that) which had the same result as driving around with the air recirculation switched on.....hence the misting up inside the car. Damn, I wish I could find the original post! ::)
Title: Re: Excessive misting and condensation
Post by: berserkerboy on 15 October 2010, 09:43:52
Scuttle drain below pollen filter was a bit clogged up so hopefully that was the problem all along. Recirculation flap appears to be working.
Cubby holes in the back all clear.
Many thanks to all for their advice. I hope I will be able to return the favour to someone in the future.