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Title: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bill_Oddie on 16 December 2010, 18:47:57
I have a 3.1L V6 Omega Elite 2005 plate.

I use it to tow my caravan and it performs great, but im concerned about if i manage to get a bit of a ''tank slapper'' on when towing it and thus potentially flipping the car, if im doing say 70/80mph-ish on the motorway, so im considering fitting a roll cage to the interior.

Can anyone recommend any roll cages for my Omega?
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: RobG on 16 December 2010, 18:51:23
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I have a 3.1L V6 Omega Elite 2005 plate.

I use it to tow my caravan and it performs great, but im concerned about if i manage to get a bit of a ''tank slapper'' on when towing it and thus potentially flipping the car, if im doing say 70/80mph-ish on the motorway, so im considering fitting a roll cage to the interior.

Can anyone recommend any roll cages for my Omega?
Yep. keep to the speed limit for towing pikey vans and you won`t need one
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bill_Oddie on 16 December 2010, 18:53:05
Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 December 2010, 18:53:21
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I have a 3.1L V6 Omega Elite 2005 plate.

I use it to tow my caravan and it performs great, but im concerned about if i manage to get a bit of a ''tank slapper'' on when towing it and thus potentially flipping the car, if im doing say 70/80mph-ish on the motorway, so im considering fitting a roll cage to the interior.

Can anyone recommend any roll cages for my Omega?
Yep. keep to the speed limit for towing pikey vans and you won`t need one


Indeed if you keep to 60mph it is less likely you will flip the van unless it is poorly balanced.  Simples! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bill_Oddie on 16 December 2010, 18:55:06
The national speed limit on the motorway is 70mph.
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 December 2010, 18:55:31
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Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.


Believe me they will as you are exceeding the 60 mph limit.
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: millwall on 16 December 2010, 18:56:00
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Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.
if your happy doing them speeds with a pikey palace on tow then yes i would get a roll cage  drive sensibly and less likely to need one :y  anyone doing 80 with a pikey palace deserves a ban
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bent valve on 16 December 2010, 18:58:34
Yes, I reccomend any roll cage :y
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bill_Oddie on 16 December 2010, 18:59:31
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Yes, I reccomend any roll cage :y

Any particular brand you recommend and do you have any links to any online shops?
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Post by: Bent valve on 16 December 2010, 19:03:07
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Yes, I reccomend any roll cage :y

Any particular brand you recommend and do you have any links to any online shops?
No particular brand, just any roll cage you can get your hands on, or why not make your own from a few lengths of 2" tube ;)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 19:10:00
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Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.


Believe me they will as you are exceeding the 60 mph limit.



First of all I dunno if this thread is a piss take or not.

The maximum legal speed for towing a trailer/caravan on UK roads is 50mph not 60.

also if you are planning on doing 80mph with a caravan i hope the hell you are nowhere near me.

A roll cage might save YOU if you flip it, but it wont save the other poor people on the roads that you wipe out.

Drive safe!

Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 19:13:22
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I have a 3.1L V6 Omega Elite 2005 plate.

I use it to tow my caravan and it performs great, but im concerned about if i manage to get a bit of a ''tank slapper'' on when towing it and thus potentially flipping the car, if im doing say 70/80mph-ish on the motorway, so im considering fitting a roll cage to the interior.

Can anyone recommend any roll cages for my Omega?

Funny how the last production run of the omega was 2004, and also 3.0 and 3.2 variants.   ::)


Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: TheBoy on 16 December 2010, 19:14:28
60mph limit on motorway (assuming the van is approved for that speed - some aren't)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 December 2010, 19:18:23
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Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.


Believe me they will as you are exceeding the 60 mph limit.



First of all I dunno if this thread is a piss take or not.

The maximum legal speed for towing a trailer/caravan on UK roads is 50mph not 60.

also if you are planning on doing 80mph with a caravan i hope the hell you are nowhere near me.

A roll cage might save YOU if you flip it, but it wont save the other poor people on the roads that you wipe out.

Drive safe!


Not on dual carriageways and motorways as he was mentioning, where it is 60 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: millwall on 16 December 2010, 19:20:40
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Police wouldnt pull you for doing 70mph on the motorway. Youd even get away with 80mph.

I think anything over 80mph they tend to look at you.


Believe me they will as you are exceeding the 60 mph limit.



First of all I dunno if this thread is a piss take or not.

The maximum legal speed for towing a trailer/caravan on UK roads is 50mph not 60.

also if you are planning on doing 80mph with a caravan i hope the hell you are nowhere near me.

A roll cage might save YOU if you flip it, but it wont save the other poor people on the roads that you wipe out.

Drive safe!

i was thinking the same
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 19:21:56
Thanks Lizzie, I meant to add "on 'A' class roads" but forgot in a moment of madness, genuinely caused by the thought of someone driving at 80+ with a caravan.

I have seen first hand what happens due to speed while towing, so this is a subject that causes me much distress.

Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Andy B on 16 December 2010, 19:22:02
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The maximum legal speed for towing a trailer/caravan on UK roads is 50mph not 60.
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You need to brush up on your highway code  ;). When towing you're limited to 50 in a NSL and 60 on a dual carriageways & motorways. It's been a long time since the limit was increased to 60  ;)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Andy B on 16 December 2010, 19:24:43
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Thanks Lizzie, I meant to add "on 'A' class roads" but forgot in a moment of madness, genuinely caused by the thought of someone driving at 80+ with a caravan.

I have seen first hand what happens due to speed while towing, so this is a subject that causes me much distress.


Certain circumstances ie weight ratios in Europe allow you to tow at similar speeds though.  ;)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bent valve on 16 December 2010, 19:26:15
A roll cage for the caravan would stop it disintergrating and spreading crap all over the road. In fact, it should be a legal requirement come to think of it :y
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 16 December 2010, 19:26:16
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Thanks Lizzie, I meant to add "on 'A' class roads" but forgot in a moment of madness, genuinely caused by the thought of someone driving at 80+ with a caravan.

I have seen first hand what happens due to speed while towing, so this is a subject that causes me much distress.


You are right there, and only someone who frankly is lacking would consider doing that!  But if Bill Oddie does decide to then he can not only be prosecuted for speeding with a caravan, but also done for reckless, even dangerous, driving dependant on the circumstances.  If he kills someone in the process the charge will escallate to death by dangerous driving, to even manslaughter.

His desire for a roll cage will become insignificant :( :(
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: TheBoy on 16 December 2010, 19:27:06
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Thanks Lizzie, I meant to add "on 'A' class roads" but forgot in a moment of madness, genuinely caused by the thought of someone driving at 80+ with a caravan.

I have seen first hand what happens due to speed while towing, so this is a subject that causes me much distress.


Certain circumstances ie weight ratios in Europe allow you to tow at similar speeds though.  ;)
110kph I seem to recall.

If you get a wiggle on, I'd suggest the van is too heavy for car, or poorly loaded...
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 19:28:27
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Thanks Lizzie, I meant to add "on 'A' class roads" but forgot in a moment of madness, genuinely caused by the thought of someone driving at 80+ with a caravan.

I have seen first hand what happens due to speed while towing, so this is a subject that causes me much distress.


Certain circumstances ie weight ratios in Europe allow you to tow at similar speeds though.  ;)


Aye well that may be the case in europe, but Id Like to think we can drive better and safer than them.

and I corrected my speed limit mistake in the post above yours,  :y
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 19:31:19
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A roll cage for the caravan would stop it disintergrating and spreading crap all over the road. In fact, it should be a legal requirement come to think of it :y


there is atually some sense in that, as caravans involved in accidents fold like soggy recyled cornflakes boxes, a simple timber frame isnt sufficient. altho i realise its purely for weight reasons.

 :)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Andy B on 16 December 2010, 19:34:36
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....and I corrected my speed limit mistake in the post above yours,  :y

So I saw, I think Jamie must've been stoking the fire up in the server as I was posting ..... it was taking aaaaages.  ;)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bent valve on 16 December 2010, 19:40:59
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A roll cage for the caravan would stop it disintergrating and spreading crap all over the road. In fact, it should be a legal requirement come to think of it :y


there is atually some sense in that, as caravans involved in accidents fold like soggy recyled cornflakes boxes, a simple timber frame isnt sufficient. altho i realise its purely for weight reasons.

 :)
Caravan makers should be forced to fit lightweight titanium roll cages from now on  :y Write to your MP and demand it!!
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Gaffers on 16 December 2010, 20:09:50
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The national speed limit on the motorway is 70mph.

Not when towing :y
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: albitz on 16 December 2010, 20:23:35
Save up all your toilet roll cardboard centres , cut and join them to shape as required,spray the finished article matt black - job done. :y :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: feeutfo on 16 December 2010, 20:27:18
.... one with bars on the windows  :)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Bent valve on 16 December 2010, 20:27:52
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Save up all your toilet roll cardboard centres , cut and join them to shape as required,spray the finished article matt black - job done. :y :D ;D ;D
How would you join them? would you use a mig welder with cardboard wire :D
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 20:29:51
there is a sticky substance that could be used, its a tad smelly, but im guessing theres no shortage of it  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2010, 20:32:52
Old_Biddie Bill_Oddie can write up a how-to for this project / enhancement
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Post by: TheBoy on 16 December 2010, 20:35:02
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Old_Biddie Bill_Oddie can write up a how-to for this project / enhancement
That could be useful, but maybe he'll seel the car and get a Range Rover to tow the pikey palace...
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2010, 20:37:29
Need to get that head gasket sorted first though.  :-X
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Elite Pete on 16 December 2010, 21:16:44
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Old_Biddie Bill_Oddie can write up a how-to for this project / enhancement
That could be useful, but maybe he'll seel the car and get a Range Rover to tow the pikey palace...
Its going to be worth a few bob if he does, a 2005, 3.1 has got to be quite rare ::)
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: GmasterT on 16 December 2010, 22:19:09
Cant really do a useful rollcage without losing the rear seats  :(

Best thing to do is carry 2 cans of expanding foam (per passenger) and stick one each side of the chair. Then, if you do get a 'wobble on' and suspect the worse, shout 'cans!' and everyone should deploy the contents of each can around them.

This will fill the cabin area while protectintg any one inside from any implosive reaction from the roof  :y
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 16 December 2010, 22:21:33
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Cant really do a useful rollcage without losing the rear seats  :(

Best thing to do is carry 2 cans of expanding foam (per passenger) and stick one each side of the chair. Then, if you do get a 'wobble on' and suspect the worse, shout 'cans!' and everyone should deploy the contents of each can around them.

This will fill the cabin area while protectintg any one inside from any implosive reaction from the roof  :y


the ability to breathe afterwards is negligable  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: GmasterT on 16 December 2010, 22:29:25
I forgot to mention the straws  :-[
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2010, 22:30:53
The OP doesn't need to know about the straws....
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: CaptainZok on 16 December 2010, 22:42:02
Carve your own out of cheese.
Not the cottage variety obviously, a good strong cheddar should suffice.
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2010, 22:45:36
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Carve your own out of cheese.
Not the cottage variety obviously, a good strong cheddar should suffice.

Glass of port with that Captain?
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Debs. on 16 December 2010, 22:49:21
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Carve your own out of cheese.
Not the cottage variety obviously, a good strong cheddar should suffice.

Crackin`roll-cage Gromit! ;D
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: VXL V6 on 16 December 2010, 22:51:28
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Carve your own out of cheese.
Not the cottage variety obviously, a good strong cheddar should suffice.

Crackin`roll-cage Gromit! ;D

Well if the OP does get a wobble at 80 with the caravan attached he / she will most definately be wearing the wrong trousers afterwards.
Title: Re: Roll Cage...
Post by: Auto Addict on 17 December 2010, 09:30:31
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Yes, I reccomend any roll cage :y

Any particular brand you recommend and do you have any links to any online shops?

www.acmeomegarollcages.com  :y