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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: smithpa7 on 21 December 2010, 12:46:51
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Firstly apologies for bringing this subject up. I know it has been covered before.
Whenever it is cold my windows steam up, and even with the blowers on it never really clears the windscreen :( :(
I have checked that my scuttle is clear. The pollen filter is dry. I checked all of the carpets and they are bone dry.
I have even taken the spare wheel out of the well and lifted the load cover up to ensure there is airflow. To no avail. I do have the climate set on auto.
Could this be a climate control fault? I can have ice cold air or hot air whenever I require it.
I was wondering if there is a drain pipe that dumps the moisture out of the cab onto the ground and maybe that freezes?
Please help. It is making the car, almost unusable :'( :'( :'(
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I would change the pollen filter to start with as it seems it does not take much to reduce the airflow through them :y
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I would change the pollen filter to start with as it seems it does not take much to reduce the airflow through them :y
Thanks Charlie. It was changed about two months ago.
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I am having the same problem with my estate, it is fine first thing, and clears fine, it stays clear with continuous running with the CC at 21, and on auto. The problem occurs after stopping for a short while, all the windows mist over after getting back in the car. The only way to clear it is with the CC on full, and demist, and opening a window for a short while until it clears. It is fine after that, or until one stops again for a short while.
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I am having the same problem with my estate, it is fine first thing, and clears fine, it stays clear with continuous running with the CC at 21, and on auto. The problem occurs after stopping for a short while, all the windows mist over after getting back in the car. The only way to clear it is with the CC on full, and demist, and opening a window for a short while until it clears. It is fine after that, or until one stops again for a short while.
You can try this. First switch on Auto mode, switch-on the air recirculation by pressing the button A once (3 round arrows will be indicated, without "A" in the middle). Now the ECC will recognize the correct flap position. Wait 1-2 s and then switch-off the air recirculation by pressing the button A again.
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Cheers Rob I will try that :)
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I had the same problem.
Tried one of these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170567493333&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
and it solved the problem.
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[You can try this. First switch on Auto mode, switch-on the air recirculation by pressing the button A once (3 round arrows will be indicated, without "A" in the middle). Now the ECC will recognize the correct flap position. Wait 1-2 s and then switch-off the air recirculation by pressing the button A again.
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Rob, I have just done this. SWMBO has gone out Xmas shopping. I will let you know if it works. Thank you for the advice :y :y
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I had the same problem.
Tried one of these
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170567493333&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
and it solved the problem.
Steve, if Rob's trick doesn't work.I am going to buy the de-humidifier bags. Many Thanks. :y :y
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You may need to check that the condensation taken out of the cabin air can drain away. If it is trapped it will re-evaporate and get in the airflow.
Another problem I had with the Senator was a leaking heater matrix. I guess the Omega is similar?
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[You can try this. First switch on Auto mode, switch-on the air recirculation by pressing the button A once (3 round arrows will be indicated, without "A" in the middle). Now the ECC will recognize the correct flap position. Wait 1-2 s and then switch-off the air recirculation by pressing the button A again.
Rob, I have just done this. SWMBO has gone out Xmas shopping. I will let you know if it works. Thank you for the advice :y :y[/quote]
The car is still steaming up. I think I will buy a de-humidifier bag for the car.
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You may need to check that the condensation taken out of the cabin air can drain away. If it is trapped it will re-evaporate and get in the airflow.
Another problem I had with the Senator was a leaking heater matrix. I guess the Omega is similar?
Chris, thank you for the advice. Do you or anyone on the forum know where the moisture taken out of the cabin drains too?
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You may need to check that the condensation taken out of the cabin air can drain away. If it is trapped it will re-evaporate and get in the airflow.
Another problem I had with the Senator was a leaking heater matrix. I guess the Omega is similar?
Chris, thank you for the advice. Do you or anyone on the forum know where the moisture taken out of the cabin drains too?
I think that under normal circumstances (without AC or climate on) the moist air is distributed out of the vents at the back of the car on the left and right hand side of load area (estate) or boot (car). Make sure these areas are clear.
Also, as said above, try the procedure with the air recirculation button - it worked for me. :y
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You may need to check that the condensation taken out of the cabin air can drain away. If it is trapped it will re-evaporate and get in the airflow.
Another problem I had with the Senator was a leaking heater matrix. I guess the Omega is similar?
Chris, thank you for the advice. Do you or anyone on the forum know where the moisture taken out of the cabin drains too?
Not exactly. It usually falls on the road towards the rear of the gearbox. If I find the definitive answer I'll let you know.
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Check the vents at the rear of the car (in the driver's side cubby hole in the boot on a saloon, not sure about the estate) to ensure that the air that's blowing into the car can escape again at the back.
Also, have a look up from inside the passenger footwell to see that the recirculation flap is not stuck open. You should be able to see it open/close in response to the recirc button.
Finally, check all the carpet areas for damp in case there's a leak. Check the scuttle drain is clear as well.
Kevin
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Use the re-circulation button as suggested, and all appears fine :y
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I have just applied some halfords Interior mist repellent to the windows. Worked on my other motor so ill wait and see over the next few days! :y
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Check the vents at the rear of the car (in the driver's side cubby hole in the boot on a saloon, not sure about the estate) to ensure that the air that's blowing into the car can escape again at the back.
Also, have a look up from inside the passenger footwell to see that the recirculation flap is not stuck open. You should be able to see it open/close in response to the recirc button.
Finally, check all the carpet areas for damp in case there's a leak. Check the scuttle drain is clear as well.
Kevin
Thanks Kevin, I have checked all of these things. :y
In the estate there is an air vent in the spare wheel well. I have lifted up the spare wheel cover and emptied the load bay to ensure maximum circulation. Still no success :'( :'(
I personally feel the moisture the air con takes out of the cabin is not being expelled on to the road. I just can't find where it comes out???
PS This problem only occurs during really cold weather. Could a pipe be freezing??
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I have just applied some halfords Interior mist repellent to the windows. Worked on my other motor so ill wait and see over the next few days! :y
Dan, please let me know how this works.I think a combination of this and de-humidifier bags may be a solution.
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I have just applied some halfords Interior mist repellent to the windows. Worked on my other motor so ill wait and see over the next few days! :y
Dan, please let me know how this works.I think a combination of this and de-humidifier bags may be a solution.
Yeah will do :y
Will check what kevin said too. Not too bad in mine to be fair but worth checking for my own piece of mind :)
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i found stop looking at the ladies as i drive stoped a lot of my missting up all so telling wife to stop talking so much help and that also reduces noise in cabin
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Have found that driving with the sunroof tilted a small amount allows damp air to leave the car nicely. This is not to the detriment of interior temperature, you really cant tell the sunroofs open.
Incidentally, the point just after the windscreen/front part of the roof tends to be an area of low-pressure on cars, and therefore air is sucked out of the cabin, rather than being blown in, as many might think would be the effect of having the sunroof open. :y
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Both of our cars steam up at the moment, only because 3 of us are getting with wet, snowy shoes putting moisture into the environment, opening the window a little works best for side windows.... :)
Frozen washers had me washing a warm cars windscreen with snow, instant mist inside, no choice to sit it out till demist worked... ::)
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Have found that driving with the sunroof tilted a small amount allows damp air to leave the car nicely. This is not to the detriment of interior temperature, you really cant tell the sunroofs open.
Incidentally, the point just after the windscreen/front part of the roof tends to be an area of low-pressure on cars, and therefore air is sucked out of the cabin, rather than being blown in, as many might think would be the effect of having the sunroof open. :y
Diamond, I am sure that will work for me. I will give it a try :y
I was out last night doing many miles delivering presents and visiting family and all I did was open the windows every 10 minutes to clear them. I genuinely believe this is a flaw in the design of the Omega( I'm sorry all :o :o I do still love mine). And is only a problem during spells of very cold weather :'( :'(
PS This will only apply to the northern OOFers. Please avoid the Preston Grange area of North Shields, it has not been gritted and is sheet ice, everywhere >:( >:(
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i found stop looking at the ladies as i drive stoped a lot of my missting up all so telling wife to stop talking so much help and that also reduces noise in cabin
P, funnily enough, we tried to avoid talking and it does seem to help ;D ;D ;D ;D
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best way to demikst is to turn off eco :). and i bet my money on the polen filter.. use a carbon one
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Mist repellent seems to have worked! got in this morning, car cold and snowy and de misted quickly and after being parked up for an hour no mist.
Will see how long it lasts now.
My Misting problem wasnt too bad on mine so whether it will fully cure another problem causing bad misting i dont know.
for £7 its worth a try if you have run out of options :y
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best way to demikst is to turn off eco :). and i bet my money on the polen filter.. use a carbon one
Hi Boditza, My pollen filter was changed two months ago, and is the carbon model.
I never use 'ECO'. It is always on 'AUTO'.
Thnak you for the advice :y :y
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Mist repellent seems to have worked! got in this morning, car cold and snowy and de misted quickly and after being parked up for an hour no mist.
Will see how long it lasts now.
My Misting problem wasnt too bad on mine so whether it will fully cure another problem causing bad misting i dont know.
for £7 its worth a try if you have run out of options :y
Dan, I am going to Halfords today after work. I will purchase some and try it :y :y
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have a look at the polen filter, or better yet try to take it out and have a go without it. see if the windows still mist. i have problems with misting up but when its raining, and if i switch off eco they demist in less than 20 secs
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So it's not just my car that is doing it.
My journeys recently involve two hours of driving in freezing conditions (without any misting), then a short pit stop followed by the all the windows steaming up dangerously as soon as I get back on the motorway.
I don't think it is the pollen filter (I changed it during the summer).
A/C can't dehumidify air that is already freezing (and very dry). All the ventilation system has to do is pull cold fresh air in and heat it up to dry out the car when it is freezing outside.
Switching the recirc button on then off again seemed to help yesterday so I think the recirc flap is doing something stupid in freezing weather >:(
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same problem on mine, not enough welly on the screen to clear.
had adult passengers in the rear who commented that the vents were blowing even though the "screen" setting was selected. on checking the fronts were also blowing when opened on the adjustment flap.
closing all the face vents improves the flow to the screen.
(this may be a fault with my vehicle?)
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Just an update on the misting up problem ::) ::)
The temperature has risen to above freezing today :y No more misting ::) ::) It is definitely related to when the outside air temperature is below -3 C. I am taking the Omega to Scotland on Monday.I will let you all know if the problem re-occurs. I will be carrying 4 people and a heavy breathing black lab, so my theory about warmer temperatures will be tested.
If the problem returns I will try Diamond Black Geezers advice and tilt the sunroof to its lowest setting ;) ;)
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This is the Official 'Workaround' for this problem. As already stated in an earlier answer by RobG :y
TIS 2000 Service Information
Field Remedy 1417
Subject: Electronic Air Conditioning ECC-Window fogging after engine start.
Complaint: The windscreen will suddenly start to become fogged inside due to increasing humidity inside the car.
Cause: At outside temperatures of -5degC and less with a battery which is not fully charged, recirculating flap is switching to recirculation mode if the supply voltage drops below 9v for a short time.
Production: As of VIN W0L0VBF6921013332 a corrective action has been introduced in production.
Remedy:
In case of Customer complaints see the above Instruction. This failure can be identified when the problem disappears after switching on and off the recirculation function.
Procedure: First switch on Auto mode, switch on the air recirculation by pressing the 'A' button once (3 round arrows will be indicated without the letter "A" in the middle) Now the EEC will recognise the correct flap position. Wait 1-2 seconds & then switch off the air recirculation by pressing the "A" button once again.
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Worked for me.
Thanks