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Title: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 January 2008, 01:37:12
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Although as with everyone I'm sure I have my faults, I am usually very placid and laid back. I've never gone looking for trouble, and I always prefer to discuss things, than argue / fight.

But tonight I lost my rag, big style  :-X

On the way home from Daventry, we called in a BP service garage, for a few essentials. There was a man at the till, holding up all the customers, who was shouting at the young girl behind the checkout. Couldn't really work out what his problem was at first, and he was "f'ing" and "b'ing" at her like there was no tomorrow.

From listening to his shouting, I worked out that he had filled his (06 plate) VW TDi up with "BP Ultimate" diesel, rather than normal diesel. He was claiming that he didn't know there were different types of diesel, and that he felt it was unfair he should be charged a "higher price" for ultimate, when he didn't know what he was filling up with.

He said "I'm f'ing tired, it's f'ing dark, and I cannot be expected to see what labels you put on the f'ing pumps".

Whilst I had no interest in his petty complaint about wrongly putting a premuim fuel in his car, I was brought up properly, and I was becoming increasingly wound up by the foul language and manner in which he was talking to the girl serving at the counter.

Enough became enough, and I tapped him on the shoulder and said nicely "Excuse me sir, the young lady you are swearing at is not at all responsible for you choosing the wrong fuel, and there is no need to talk to her in that manner".

He then turned on me - "it's none of your f'ing business mate - you don't understand - fuel costs are so high already I'm going to have to emigrate etc etc...."

He then turned back to the girl serving the fuel, calling her a "foreign s**g" etc..

The girl was getting rather uncomfortable, and no other beggar in the shop was prepared to help her out, so to cut a long story short, things became a little confrontational, and I told the man that if he didn't shut up, pay for his fuel now and leave, he would be picking his teeth up off the floor  ::)  ;D

Thankfully, with alot of muttering he paid and left. Don't think I've ever been in a situation like that in my adult life, ( I didn't enjoy it).. but I guess I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: CaptainZok on 21 January 2008, 02:12:59
Never ceases to amaze me how many people think that if they throw a wobbler they will get  their own way, no matter how ludicrous their demands.
Reminds me of a spoilt toddler having a tantrum on the supermarket floor cos mum won't but em any sweets.
Hopefully he will get reported for his actions and maybe learn that being such a fool and abusing staff is unacceptable especially when it's his own stupid fault.
I'm sure the poor girl was very greatful for your help.
Well done James.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: zippo on 21 January 2008, 02:19:42
 [ [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]well done sir well done if there 2 things  i cant stand
1/ bullies
2/ people with no manners
H0w could he blame the girl,she didnt put the fuel in his car
        {i was just wondering how many times he's tried that before
          a Q builds up he intimidates the Young girl  Young girl panics any thing to be rid of him result cheap fuel} muppet
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Big Fra on 21 January 2008, 03:01:03
I agree 100%

I had an experience recently when I was with swmbo visiting a friend of hers in Dundee. We were returning home from a lovely night out at the dancing, (not a lot of alcohol was consumed), when I heard a female scream for help. I stopped the 3 of us and had a look around, as I did this I saw a young lady's face being slammed into the window of a bus shelter by the young man she was with. (they were inside, we were outside around 100yds away) Now, being brought up properly, I ran up to help, as I arrived, the young chap turned from his partner and went for me.

Er, no.

I did a stint performing close protection for a film company a while back on a film called the jacket.  I restrained him and tried to reason with him in order to calm him down. He was not for having that and kicked out at his female partner. I then put him to the ground and kept him restrained until the police arrived.


The point of my story is this.  When the police got there, his female partner, with blood running from her face, shouted I attacked him, and his manager would sort everything out.

Manager?

Yep, one of Dundee United's 1st team.

The officers knew exactly who he was, so thanked me, and asked me to move along saying that they would take care of him.

I do not, nor do i, want to know what they meant.
I just hate people like this footballer who have excessive ego's and think they are better than everyone else, and can therefore get away with anything they want.

Anywho, rant over.  :)
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: MikeDundee on 21 January 2008, 07:27:28
Well pretty sure theres a few more folk like him around, have came acroos quite a few over the years, where men have attempted abusing and beating their wifes, and other things. However on two occasions when I have went to help people out I ended up in the nick, and one was for a 19 hour stint, so lately when it comes to helping folk out I really consider the risk before taking any action ::)
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Jay w on 21 January 2008, 08:37:32
 :y good on you James......

No one deserves to be sworn at, especially someone who is innocent of the issue.

It was his fault he picked the wrong pump, he also continued to fill the car with fuel, had he looked at the nozzel it told him what product he was buying, no sympathy whatsoever for him.

i have no time for people who bully like that.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: bob.dent on 21 January 2008, 09:17:17
Arise Sir James Lancelot, knight in shining armour. Well done mate. :y Unfortunately nobody likes to get involved in these situations for fear of reprisal but good to see chivalry still lives. :y :y
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Elite Pete on 21 January 2008, 09:24:05
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Arise Sir James Lancelot, knight in shining armour. Well done mate. :y Unfortunately nobody likes to get involved in these situations for fear of reprisal but good to see chivalry still lives. :y :y
Nice one James :y

You've hit the nail on the head there Bob. In this day and age you can't do right for doing wrong :(
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Danny on 21 January 2008, 09:24:20
been in many a situation like yours James, especially being from greater manchester :D where manners dont really exist!

i wouldnt feel so bad about losing your rag if i were you, sometimes thats exactly what it takes to put an end to a situation!
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Craig_R on 21 January 2008, 09:32:12
Going To have to get you a cape james and call you SUPER JAMES.

Well done mate to many idiots in the world acouple more James would make the place a lot nicer

Craig
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: x25xe on 21 January 2008, 09:43:17
Well done for this - it amazes me how many people will stand by and let things like this go on.  If a few more people were prepared to help out their fellow human beings...............
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 January 2008, 09:46:35
Well done :y

really good to see chivalry still lives..
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: zippo on 21 January 2008, 10:41:55
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been in many a situation like yours James, especially being from greater manchester :D where manners dont really exist!

i wouldnt feel so bad about losing your rag if i were you, sometimes thats exactly what it takes to put an end to a situation!
aint that the sad truth [smiley=embarassed.gif]
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Jay w on 21 January 2008, 10:49:01
James, been thinking about this and the situation last night.

As a support to the young lady i would drop the manager of the petrol station a letter, my reason for doing this is it will provide balance should the t**t decide to do the same, and from experience if they are prepared to scream and shout then they are also prepared to write and complain

Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: A380 Elite on 21 January 2008, 10:54:34
Well done.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: tunnie on 21 January 2008, 13:06:25
The driver must have been blind as well as stupid... there are huge stickers next to the pump that say Ultimate!
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: stuart30 on 21 January 2008, 13:25:03
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: markey mark on 21 January 2008, 13:34:16
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.
i agree with what james has done i would of done the very same !! there is no respect in this shitehole we call england !!!! >:( >:( well done to you james !! 8-)
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: stuart30 on 21 January 2008, 13:40:56
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.
i agree with what james has done i would of done the very same !! there is no respect in this naffehole we call england !!!! >:( >:( well done to you james !! 8-)


Yeah i have done something similar before...only i did knock the guy black and blue and spent a not very pleasant time in the cells with a 5 year caution for assault....so you see these things can escalate incredibly quickly.

Like my dear old gran used too say 2 wrongs dont make 1 right.

And yes completely agree about lack of respect in our country....not that it will be an issue for me much longer  8-)
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Danny on 21 January 2008, 13:46:00
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.

I have to disagree with that, even the most decent person on the planet has to draw the line somewhere, 100% behind james' actions personally
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 21 January 2008, 13:57:57
I'd have called the Police
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: markey mark on 21 January 2008, 14:01:20
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I'd have called the Police

waste of time bud by time they got therte he would have been long gone !! im sure petrol stations have panic buttons !! :y
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: markey mark on 21 January 2008, 14:04:19
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.
i agree with what james has done i would of done the very same !! there is no respect in this naffehole we call england !!!! >:( >:( well done to you james !! 8-)


Yeah i have done something similar before...only i did knock the guy black and blue and spent a not very pleasant time in the cells with a 5 year caution for assault....so you see these things can escalate incredibly quickly.

Like my dear old gran used too say 2 wrongs dont make 1 right.

And yes completely agree about lack of respect in our country....not that it will be an issue for me much longer  8-)

yes done something simalar before ! well battered a scrote who stole my car stereo with a petrol pump nozzle !! petrol station attendant called police but by the time they got there lad had scarpered and cops said unless he made a compliant they would not do anything !!! ;D needless to say he didnt make a complaint !! :y
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 January 2008, 14:04:49
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I'd have called the Police

waste of time bud by time they got therte he would have been long gone !! im sure petrol stations have panic buttons !! :y

Yeah, too true. Unless you tell the police that there's a guy being arsey and I'm about to shoot him you'll get bu66er all response.

Kevin
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: stuart30 on 21 January 2008, 14:06:09
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.

I have to disagree with that, even the most decent person on the planet has to draw the line somewhere, 100% behind james' actions personally


Sorry Danny i disagree with your posts...please step forward so i can knock your teeth out. ;D

See what im getting at....hardly a decent thing is it threatening to knock someones teeth out,end of the day what separates the bully who"s threatening the staff and the bully who threatens violence to the bully.

End of the day whilst i can understand the action taken it isn't justified..as im sure he would of found out if PC plod was listening.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Danny on 21 January 2008, 14:09:55
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.

I have to disagree with that, even the most decent person on the planet has to draw the line somewhere, 100% behind james' actions personally


Sorry Danny i disagree with your posts...please step forward so i can knock your teeth out. ;D

See what im getting at....hardly a decent thing is it threatening to knock someones teeth out,end of the day what separates the bully who"s threatening the staff and the bully who threatens violence to the bully.

End of the day whilst i can understand the action taken it isn't justified..as im sure he would of found out if PC plod was listening.

go ahead, they're in a glass next to my bed :y

nah i do see it from both sides though
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: stuart30 on 21 January 2008, 14:23:52
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...I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.

Whilst i can understand what you did and why you did it you have threatened someone with violence...your lucky he didn't call the police or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.

There's been plenty of cases where someone has been hurt or killed over minor squabbles/road rage ect.

I have to disagree with that, even the most decent person on the planet has to draw the line somewhere, 100% behind james' actions personally


Sorry Danny i disagree with your posts...please step forward so i can knock your teeth out. ;D

See what im getting at....hardly a decent thing is it threatening to knock someones teeth out,end of the day what separates the bully who"s threatening the staff and the bully who threatens violence to the bully.

End of the day whilst i can understand the action taken it isn't justified..as im sure he would of found out if PC plod was listening.

go ahead, they're in a glass next to my bed :y

nah i do see it from both sides though

Had to read your reply 5 times before the penny dropped. ;D

That's all my point was originally,seeing it from both sides...whilst the actions were indeed admirable things could have back fired.
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 21 January 2008, 16:14:51
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Although as with everyone I'm sure I have my faults, I am usually very placid and laid back. I've never gone looking for trouble, and I always prefer to discuss things, than argue / fight.

But tonight I lost my rag, big style  :-X

On the way home from Daventry, we called in a BP service garage, for a few essentials. There was a man at the till, holding up all the customers, who was shouting at the young girl behind the checkout. Couldn't really work out what his problem was at first, and he was "f'ing" and "b'ing" at her like there was no tomorrow.

From listening to his shouting, I worked out that he had filled his (06 plate) VW TDi up with "BP Ultimate" diesel, rather than normal diesel. He was claiming that he didn't know there were different types of diesel, and that he felt it was unfair he should be charged a "higher price" for ultimate, when he didn't know what he was filling up with.

He said "I'm f'ing tired, it's f'ing dark, and I cannot be expected to see what labels you put on the f'ing pumps".

Whilst I had no interest in his petty complaint about wrongly putting a premuim fuel in his car, I was brought up properly, and I was becoming increasingly wound up by the foul language and manner in which he was talking to the girl serving at the counter.

Enough became enough, and I tapped him on the shoulder and said nicely "Excuse me sir, the young lady you are swearing at is not at all responsible for you choosing the wrong fuel, and there is no need to talk to her in that manner".

He then turned on me - "it's none of your f'ing business mate - you don't understand - fuel costs are so high already I'm going to have to emigrate etc etc...."

He then turned back to the girl serving the fuel, calling her a "foreign s**g" etc..

The girl was getting rather uncomfortable, and no other beggar in the shop was prepared to help her out, so to cut a long story short, things became a little confrontational, and I told the man that if he didn't shut up, pay for his fuel now and leave, he would be picking his teeth up off the floor  ::)  ;D

Thankfully, with alot of muttering he paid and left. Don't think I've ever been in a situation like that in my adult life, ( I didn't enjoy it).. but I guess I was just bought up with some decency, and couldn't stand by and watch that...  especially when the poor kid is probably only being paid the minimum wage!

Were they false ones...... ;D  Hmmmm...remember me with the autoglass man.................should keep your cool and not threaten people.. ;D when you tapped him on the shoulder he could have said you touched him first and then started on you, you would have had to defend yourself then......exactly what happened to me. ;)

It does get you annoyed when you see things like that happening.....I would have just battered him and claimed he had me first
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 21 January 2008, 16:29:34
Further to my post above................well done James, you did right, but please be prepared to defend yourself if ever in that situation again, there are some real crazy people out there.

You should have took him around the back of the station and showed him some respect.......never mind all this crap about dont take the law into your own hands, Bo"lo"ks...if someone does you wrong or someone is being abused, physically or mentally I would, and do step in, the youth of today and many other people need to be learnt some respect............many of you may comment on how i am wrong, you are entitled to you opinion but this is how i have delt with things since leaving the forces and it does work...obviously i look at every situation as it arises and work out what to do from there.

But well done James........this world needs more people like you......things would be very different then...for the better.
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: platty on 21 January 2008, 16:55:14
Very well done - It shows the guys true colours for arguing with someone over something that is his fault - what a d1ck!

Its very nice to hear that the british public will stand up to people rather than pretend that it is not happening - some of the lily-livered prats in this country really wind me up.

Bravo.
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: Tony H on 21 January 2008, 16:57:15
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James, been thinking about this and the situation last night.

As a support to the young lady i would drop the manager of the petrol station a letter, my reason for doing this is it will provide balance should the t**t decide to do the same, and from experience if they are prepared to scream and shout then they are also prepared to write and complain

I wouldn't worry too much about that James. If the stations security is up to the mark the whole incident will have been captured and recorded on cctv. As for stepping in well done, There are to many people nowadays prepared to just sit back and allow thing like that to happen
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 January 2008, 17:25:58
I think writing to the garage is a good idea. If the chap decides to write a letter the backup the cashier would get if there were already a letter from you supporting her would probably mean more to her than your intervention on the day. After all, she probably doesn't have the best job security anyway in that sort of position.

Could make the difference between her "Pi$$ing off a customer" and her "Successfully dealing with an awkward git" in her boss' eyes.

Kevin
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 January 2008, 17:39:23
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Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.


That's a very short sighted comment and doesn't incorporate the circumstances..

It is in my book, an acceptable thing to do, to have a man-to-man intervention if someone is being abusive to young women, which is something I cannot stand and was always taught is wrong.

Please note, before I made this comment I wrote "things became a little confrontational" - I had made every effort to talk reason with him first. It was only when HE became agressive I made this comment.

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you have threatened someone with violence

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...your lucky he didn't call the police

I wish he did! I would have had a field day telling them about all his racist comments towards the cashier! I had plenty of witnesses to the situation (people with me + staff) and would have had no problems justifying any of my actions. Police are taught to use discretion, and I'm sure given the circumstances they wouldn't take a dim view of someone helping out a victim of racial abuse.

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or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.


No fear of this. If I wasn't confident of my own abilities, I wouldn't have intervened in the first place.


Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: motmann on 21 January 2008, 19:16:35
well done james, i agree with miggy on this one, but , like you did in the situation you found yourself in last month sometimes you have do what you have to do :y.......do i feel a poll coming on guys? did james do the "right" thing?
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 January 2008, 19:20:33
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did james do the "right" thing?

That is purely a matter of discretion, I dont think a poll is really appropriate. Opinions will naturally differ.

But put in the same situation - I would do the same again... and I wouldn't handle it much differently.

I ALWAYS talk politely, and avoid trouble, but as the saying goes, sometimes you must fight fire with fire...

Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 January 2008, 19:21:15
PS -

Speaking of dishing out slaps... who's been playing with the title of this thread?  >:(

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 21 January 2008, 19:21:58
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did james do the "right" thing?

That is purely a matter of discretion, I dont think a poll is really appropriate. Opinions will naturally differ.

But put in the same situation - I would do the same again... and I wouldn't handle it much differently.

I ALWAYS talk politely, and avoid trouble, but as the saying goes, sometimes you must fight fire with fire...


Or P"ss on it............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: eliterob on 21 January 2008, 19:47:40
well james must say you didnt strike me as the sort to stand up like that (granted only met you for 10 mins lol) but fair play fella.
must say i would have done the same in that situation
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 21 January 2008, 21:20:29
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well james must say you didnt strike me as the sort to stand up like that

I'm not... very very rare for me to loose my temper. I'm usually the most quiet and placid guy out there.

Sometimes though, with scourge like that.. the worm turns ;) ;D
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: stuart30 on 22 January 2008, 20:01:47
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Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.


That's a very short sighted comment and doesn't incorporate the circumstances..

It is in my book, an acceptable thing to do, to have a man-to-man intervention if someone is being abusive to young women, which is something I cannot stand and was always taught is wrong.

Please note, before I made this comment I wrote "things became a little confrontational" - I had made every effort to talk reason with him first. It was only when HE became agressive I made this comment.

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you have threatened someone with violence

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...your lucky he didn't call the police

I wish he did! I would have had a field day telling them about all his racist comments towards the cashier! I had plenty of witnesses to the situation (people with me + staff) and would have had no problems justifying any of my actions. Police are taught to use discretion, and I'm sure given the circumstances they wouldn't take a dim view of someone helping out a victim of racial abuse.

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or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.


No fear of this. If I wasn't confident of my own abilities, I wouldn't have intervened in the first place.




James how is that a short sighted comment.... :-?

You threaten the bloke so you cant really say thats the out come of being brought up decently,if you had asked him to refrain from being abusive and if he didnt you would inform the authorities then too me that would have shown more class than offering to be a DIY dentist.

Regards being confident in your own abilities let me tell you straight james,theres always some bloke who is either bigger nastier or just plain loopy,regardless if you 5.ft or 6.6ft and built like a brick out house....ive seen a college of mine who made my 6.2ft 20 stone size  look like a size 00 compared too him and ive seen him floored by some mental case,what im getting at is no matter how well you feel you can defend your self there's always one person who will be able to attack that little bit better. ;)

Whilst what you did was admirable i feel you was lucky too have walked away from what could have turned very nasty and quite possibly very costly by simply trying to do the right thing.

Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 20:07:17
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if you had asked him to refrain from being abusive and if he didnt you would inform the authorities then too me that would have shown more class than offering to be a DIY dentist.



stu, point taken mate, but I DID take this approch, and tried to carry on that way, until HE became out of hand towards me

I appreciate your point about the dangers. But.. I guess I was just prepared to defend the poor girl on the recieving end of his abuse :)
Title: Re: James comes out of his shell...
Post by: miggy on 22 January 2008, 20:12:43
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Well actually James threatening to knock some guys teeth out is hardly the result of being brought of decently.


That's a very short sighted comment and doesn't incorporate the circumstances..

It is in my book, an acceptable thing to do, to have a man-to-man intervention if someone is being abusive to young women, which is something I cannot stand and was always taught is wrong.

Please note, before I made this comment I wrote "things became a little confrontational" - I had made every effort to talk reason with him first. It was only when HE became agressive I made this comment.

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you have threatened someone with violence

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...your lucky he didn't call the police

I wish he did! I would have had a field day telling them about all his racist comments towards the cashier! I had plenty of witnesses to the situation (people with me + staff) and would have had no problems justifying any of my actions. Police are taught to use discretion, and I'm sure given the circumstances they wouldn't take a dim view of someone helping out a victim of racial abuse.

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or even worse turn around and do some serious damage to you.


No fear of this. If I wasn't confident of my own abilities, I wouldn't have intervened in the first place.




James how is that a short sighted comment.... :-?

You threaten the bloke so you cant really say thats the out come of being brought up decently,if you had asked him to refrain from being abusive and if he didnt you would inform the authorities then too me that would have shown more class than offering to be a DIY dentist.

Regards being confident in your own abilities let me tell you straight james,theres always some bloke who is either bigger nastier or just plain loopy,regardless if you 5.ft or 6.6ft and built like a brick out house....ive seen a college of mine who made my 6.2ft 20 stone size  look like a size 00 compared too him and ive seen him floored by some mental case,what im getting at is no matter how well you feel you can defend your self there's always one person who will be able to attack that little bit better. ;)

Whilst what you did was admirable i feel you was lucky too have walked away from what could have turned very nasty and quite possibly very costly by simply trying to do the right thing.


Unfortunatly in this day and age that would not work either and that could have also caused a reaction from the fella.

James did right..he stood up for what he belived in and you cannot knock anyone for that.....I think when he said he was brought up decently, he was most likely refering to standing up for himself and helping others when they are in difficulty, knowing right from wrong and treating people with respect. It seems this fells only knew one language.......shut up or put up.

I still say.........well done James.

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Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 22 January 2008, 20:13:23
In my opinion James do the right thing..

There are times in everbodys life that you regret after if you dont take the action at the necessary moment..

And there are times you cant accept the situation as it is..


Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: dippydave on 22 January 2008, 20:41:28
I am also torn by your actions James. I fully applaud you for reprimanding the loud-mouthed oaf. Especially with others there to back you up if needed.

However after being head-butted in a chip shop after telling a chap to eat his chips in peace and leave my friends alone, I'm not sure about intervention! Maybe if i'd have been more aggressive then he would have backed off and walked away. For my quietness I got threatened, hit, and a response by the police of "there was no cctv footage and nothing from the witnesses" - my letter of complaint went in yesterday stating that the manager had the tape, and there were 7witnesses so do something!

back to the petrol station, I think bullies need to be straightened out at all levels, from the classroom to the street to the office and small contributions like yours James might just help.

Especially if you can 'take care of yourself' if absolutely needed!
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 20:45:44
Looking back on reflection, you would always do things a little differently.

I regret lots of things.... but I don't regret this :)

I was also once hit in the face by a drunk with no warning or provocation, and nothing came of it. I had a letter from the courts to say if I didn't reply, the offence would be "taken into consideration" with several simelar ones.

They should have thrown the book at him...

Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: MaxV6 on 22 January 2008, 20:50:17
Knowing as i do, firsthand,  how pleasant and well spoken James can be....   even when trying to make a point, i'd say that the idiot harassing the poor lass had the threat, and it's ultimate action, coming to him.....  

i'm torn between wishing he HAD been knocked on his arse minus dental appendages, and perhaps learning some modicum of socially acceptable deportment, and being glad James wasn't put in such a position of having to do so...   because of all the fall out than can come with it...  

I too would have had " a quiet word" with the chap, however i'm considerably bigger than James, and despite being gifted with full command of the English language, and able to speak "posh  like" , most people take such actions on my part as a threatening move, and react accordingly....  (according to them anyway... ) . So my encounter might not have come to such a passive ending....  which would have been  a shame .


Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 22 January 2008, 20:53:43
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Looking back on reflection, you would always do things a little differently.

I regret lots of things.... but I don't regret this :)

I was also once hit in the face by a drunk with no warning or provocation, and nothing came of it. I had a letter from the courts to say if I didn't reply, the offence would be "taken into consideration" with several simelar ones.

They should have thrown the book at him...


That would have knocked his teeth out.. ;D ;D ;D ;D..sorry James, its no joke and you know my feelings on the matter.


Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 22 January 2008, 21:01:19
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Knowing as i do, firsthand,  how pleasant and well spoken James can be....   even when trying to make a point, i'd say that the idiot harassing the poor lass had the threat, and it's ultimate action, coming to him.....  

i'm torn between wishing he HAD been knocked on his arse minus dental appendages, and perhaps learning some modicum of socially acceptable deportment, and being glad James wasn't put in such a position of having to do so...   because of all the fall out than can come with it...  

I too would have had " a quiet word" with the chap, however i'm considerably bigger than James, and despite being gifted with full command of the English language, and able to speak "posh  like" , most people take such actions on my part as a threatening move, and react accordingly....  (according to them anyway... ) . So my encounter might not have come to such a passive ending....  which would have been  a shame .



Most people are bigger than me ;)

... but I seem to forget that, if something upsets me to that degree  ::)
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 22 January 2008, 21:11:08
Its a good job he did not have teeth like this,,,you would have needed a tetanus.


(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w306/miggyomega/bad-teeth.jpg)



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Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 22 January 2008, 21:15:21
big fists dont mean anything..who got most adrenaline is the key ;)
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: miggy on 22 January 2008, 21:39:20
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big fists dont mean anything..who got most adrenaline is the key ;)

And who can run faster. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: James comes out...... of his shell
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 22 January 2008, 21:41:11
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big fists dont mean anything..who got most adrenaline is the key ;)

And who can run faster. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

agreed ;D ;D