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Title: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 02 April 2011, 18:05:10
I have had a water leak into the passenger side of the car. Scuttle drain is clear, I have just had a new screen fitted where I thought the problem might be no loss of coolant  but still have a leak. To determine where its coming from would you recommend inspection from inside and if so how much do I have to remove to see this area ,or from the outside with the small scuttle cover removed.  I wonder whether it is coming from the cable entries in this area or from a seam weld.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: chrisdb on 02 April 2011, 19:44:55
I do remember reading on here that there is a route from the sun roof drain into the passenger compartment...
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Shelby on 02 April 2011, 19:52:37
I don't know if it is relevant or not, but I had a similar problem in my Peugeot 406 (which I have just replaced with an Omega  :) ).

It turned out to be a small leak at the heater matrix, which in the 406 is located inside the passenger footwell at the bulkhead, might be worth checking.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 02 April 2011, 21:37:34
thanks Chris but I dont have a sun roof
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: fiend61 on 02 April 2011, 21:51:43
are you sure scuttle drain is clear ?? test it with a jug of water it should run through fairly quickly, i thought mine was clear but it was blocked in the bottom of the grommit  :y
if it is clear remove panel under glovebox and have a fell around there, you could also remove glovebox aswell to get further up if needed  :y 

[edit]feel[/edit]  :-[
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: gstylebaby on 03 April 2011, 03:53:22
I have the same problem with my saloon and i still can not find were its getting in but as its in my garage at the mo and not in use its on the jobs to do list.  Sorry i can not offer any help mate.  Glad i read that you have had your screen changed cause i thought thats were my problem mite be but now god knows. :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 03 April 2011, 08:34:41
This is a frustrating problem without doubt R but double check the trim at the bottom of the windscreen to ensure that it has been located properly.

When I was looking at the problem with the scuttle on my car I found (in addition) that this trim had moved away from its seating on the glass edge.

Water was also getting past this and, in my case, finding its way onto the rain deflector (which wasn’t doing what it was designed to do) on the bottom of the scuttle.

As the trim is located so closely to the bulkhead the water in your case may find its way into the cabin, without collecting at the bottom of the well, via the scuttle drain compartment at its closest point to the bulkhead.

I assume that you’ve also checked the door seals and bottom drains.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 03 April 2011, 11:23:47
Thanks fiend 61 that panel is that the thick foam panel under the gloove box that runs down to your feet? what holds it in place?
Thanks desperate Dan  can you clarify what the rain deflector is.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 03 April 2011, 11:24:44
Sorry Den not Dan!
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 03 April 2011, 14:16:49
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Sorry Den not Dan!


 ;D ;D I have an aversion to cow pies. :y

Strangely enough the rain deflector is the foam pad attached to the underside of the main part of the scuttle - at least according to the parts diagram in the dealership I visited.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 03 April 2011, 17:21:12
I dont know about deflector all that pad seems to do is get saturated with water where is it supposed to deflect the water to.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 03 April 2011, 17:28:26
I would think towards the bulkhead away from the rear of the engine.

I think when the pad starts taking water some of the welded edge seams have split - the seams at the wiper spindle holes seem to be favourite as they appear to be exposed to the elements (eventually perishing) when the scuttle is in place.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Mart280 on 03 April 2011, 17:30:29
Rain deflector lol, it deflected the rain on mine allright straight onto the passenger side dis pack and b******d it up.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 03 April 2011, 17:58:33
As i said a design nightmare
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: fiend61 on 03 April 2011, 22:45:11
the passenger kickplate is indeed the triangular plastic bit that runs from footwell to underside of glovebox, (doorside) it is held in place by 2 scews one in a hole near the top (you can feel this) and another under the plastic door trim, this trim comes out by sliding the strip with the vauxhall logo on and then prising up you will then see the tork screws holding it in place, the second screw for the kickplate is under that  :y
the foam panel that runs along the underside of the glovebox is held on by big plastic screw things that just turn with a flat screwdriver, get your head in the footwell and you will see them  :y
hmm just remembered your problem so wear a bathing cap   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: jerry on 03 April 2011, 23:03:56
glad Im not the only one with this problem! reading this with interest. Ive cleaned the scuttle out and checked windscreen seal and seems ok but in really heavy rain...Bit mystified as to where its getting through.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 03 April 2011, 23:05:30
Well done on the 1000 Jerry. 8-) :y :y
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: jerry on 03 April 2011, 23:17:12
Cheers Den-only just noticed! :y
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 05 April 2011, 09:57:14
Bad luck Jerry What a nightmare, In the pollen filter area under the scuttle there are cable runs  with grommets  that go to the car interior which could be the problem and then of course maybe a weld seam leaking. Will have to take off all the bits under passenger area and hope to see where it is coming from. I will let you know what I find
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: cavman on 03 May 2011, 16:09:51
I’ve got this issue and after much head scratching I’m convinced it’s evaporate from the Air-Con.
When I’ve got the Air-Con on, the evaporate usually runs out of two pipes, one either side of the driveshaft near the gearbox, on a humid day there is quite a lot.
I took up the carpet ect… and dried it out, I then drove in the height of summer to Austria, during which no rain fell by the time I got there the passenger foot-well was soaked in water.
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: Osprey on 03 May 2011, 17:44:25
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the passenger kickplate is indeed the triangular plastic bit that runs from footwell to underside of glovebox, (doorside) it is held in place by 2 scews one in a hole near the top (you can feel this) and another under the plastic door trim, this trim comes out by sliding the strip with the vauxhall logo on and then prising up you will then see the tork screws holding it in place, the second screw for the kickplate is under that  :y
the foam panel that runs along the underside of the glovebox is held on by big plastic screw things that just turn with a flat screwdriver, get your head in the footwell and you will see them  :y
hmm just remembered your problem so wear a bathing cap   ;D ;D ;D

... and don't forget to post the photos on here!  ;)
Title: Re: Water ,Rain ingress
Post by: robson on 03 May 2011, 19:25:35
Cavman Will be interested to know when you find the problem