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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: GaryBC on 01 July 2011, 14:13:00
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I've just taken the car in for a re-gas but the high pressure valve lets all the gas straight back out again as soon as the rig is disconnected!
The fitter tried to replace the valve but apparently it's not a 'normal' Schrader valve. He believes it's either some weird valve he's never come across before, or a non-replaceable valve that's an integral part of the pipe.
Two questions arise from this: If it's a non-typical valve, where do I get a new one (and extractor/insertion tool)? If it's part of the pipe, is it much of a job to change it and are replacement pipes (and seals) readily available?
(And there was me thinking it was going to be a quick job! Silly me!!)
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I believe they are available on the auction site
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I believe they are available on the auction site
What's that?
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I imagine he means eBay.
They're also available as Vauxhall parts (valve only) IIRC, PM 'andyc' here for a price as he's parts manager for a Vx dealership.
I also believe they are installable by competent A/C specialists as there've been a few posts here recently about just that problem..
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This kind of thing:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R134A-AIRCON-STANDARD-SCHRADER-VALVE-CORE-PACK-5-2672-/310299928528?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item483f5127d0
They are the same fitting as tyre valves but different construction to suit the refrigerant.
If your aircon bod isn't familiar with these you need a different aircon bod. :o
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I imagine he means eBay.
They're also available as Vauxhall parts (valve only) IIRC, PM 'andyc' here for a price as he's parts manager for a Vx dealership.
I also believe they are installable by competent A/C specialists as there've been a few posts here recently about just that problem..
PM'd Andy, thanks.
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This kind of thing:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/R134A-AIRCON-STANDARD-SCHRADER-VALVE-CORE-PACK-5-2672-/310299928528?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item483f5127d0
They are the same fitting as tyre valves but different construction to suit the refrigerant.
If your aircon bod isn't familiar with these you need a different aircon bod. :o
The look identical - mechanically, anyway. (I guess the seal is a different rubber to a tyre valve.)
The 'bod' appeared to try his usual extractor tool on it and complained that he couldn't locate the drive dogs. I'll nick an extractor/dust cap off one of the kids' bikes tonight to see if I can get it out myself!
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I've unscrewed the charging point and taken it to a Vx dealer - it's not listed separately!
This is what it looks like......
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve2.jpg
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve1.jpg
It looks to me like there's a shrader valve inside it - but I can't see how to get it out.
Any ideas anyone?
Cheers,
Gaz
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I've unscrewed the charging point and taken it to a Vx dealer - it's not listed separately!
This is what it looks like......
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve2.jpg
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve1.jpg
It looks to me like there's a shrader valve inside it - but I can't see how to get it out.
Any ideas anyone?
Cheers,
Gaz
It is available separately, I've had one. Give andyc at Drive in Bury St Edmonds a bell 01284 777222, he that sorted out a part number for me. In the mean time I'll have a look through my receipts, but I reckon you'll be faster via Andy :y
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I shouldn't doubt myself! ::)
I think I've found it, it's about the right price but the invoice just has 'valve' on it
Try V0052458177 and in Nov 2008 it was £4.67 +vat :y :y
PS you replace the whole thing. It's the other valve on top of the engine (can never remember which is high & low pressure fill point) that has a separate shrader typre vale in the middle. :y :y
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Thanks Andy. I've dropped AndyC a line with the part number you found for me and my pics. We should have it sorted pretty soon now.
Incidentally, the valve down underneath the battery area is the HP point, the one up by the scuttle is the LP point. (I watched the re-gas guys and kept asking questions! They must bloody hate nosy engineers!!)
Cheers,
Gaz
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Thanks Andy. I've dropped AndyC a line with the part number you found for me and my pics. We should have it sorted pretty soon now.
Incidentally, the valve down underneath the battery area is the HP point, the one up by the scuttle is the LP point. (I watched the re-gas guys and kept asking questions! They must bloody hate nosy engineers!!)
Cheers,
Gaz
Glad you're sorted. :y :y
I've asked which one was which, but as you get older you forget ....................... ::) ::) ::)
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Thanks Andy. I've dropped AndyC a line with the part number you found for me and my pics. We should have it sorted pretty soon now.
Incidentally, the valve down underneath the battery area is the HP point, the one up by the scuttle is the LP point. (I watched the re-gas guys and kept asking questions! They must bloody hate nosy engineers!!)
Cheers,
Gaz
Glad you're sorted. :y :y
I've asked which one was which, but as you get older you forget ....................... ::) ::) ::)
Hopefully will be - once AndyC has responded to either my PM or E-Mail!
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While waiting for AndyC's reply I've been doing some digging of my own.
Bloody can of worms this is turning out to be!! I found a website which seems to show what I want - but they list two identical looking valves.
This one......
http://www.carairconditioningsupplies.co.uk/caraircon/product.php?productid=866&cat=64&page=1
And this one...
http://www.carairconditioningsupplies.co.uk/caraircon/product.php?productid=593&cat=64&bestseller=Y
They've been next to useless in offering me any help in deciding which one to buy ("[size=12]We beleive the photo you sent refers to the sku2576. This is a gm part and slightly different thread pattern to the 2574. Unfortunately we have no oe number data to check[/size][/font]") PLUS they want to charge £10+VaT for carriage!
Until AndyC gets back to me (and to help him when he does), can anyone else suggest what I need?
As our 'heatwave' is having a tea-break I've got a little breathing space. But I'd really like to get my aircon charged up in time for when it comes back!
Cheers all,
Gaz
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At the risk of hi-jacking this post, anyone know of a good air-con specialist in the Kingston, Surrey area, had mine re-gassed by Kwik-fit (who said their machine wouldn't recharge if there was a leak) It lasted a day! Should've known better!
By the way I did go back to complain and was told "maybe a stone hit the air-con radiator after you drove away!" Yeah right!!
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Surprised anyone here would use them - they get such a pasting on this forum!!
Google's good for finding stuff - type in "car aircon kingston"!!
Can I have my thread back now please?
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What's dismaying me here is that no Vx dealership seems to recognise the HP charging point as a discrete part (they're all willing to sell me the complete pipe it is fitted into - at the fat end of 200 squids!). And none of the aircon specialists I've approached seem interested in helping me either (why on earth does it 'cost' £12 to pop am item smaller than my thumb into a Jiffy bag?!).
I guess Vx are protecting their patch by wanting to sell me a £200 part rather than one for a fiver (and the hope of getting the installation work too?). And the a/c guys are probably holding out for me to crack and simply take the car to them (in the hope - again - of vacuuming my pocket as well as my aircon!)
Sorry guys - just fancied a quick rant!! :D
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Contact one of the breakers on here. ;) I dont have one but someone else might.The pipe which comes through the bulkhead and runs along the lower n/s inner wing - under the ABS ECU is not a job for the faint hearted, so I hope it isnt that one your having trouble with. If it is, do whatever it takes to source the valve rather than change the pipe. ;)
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Contact one of the breakers on here. ;) I dont have one but someone else might.The pipe which comes through the bulkhead and runs along the lower n/s inner wing - under the ABS ECU is not a job for the faint hearted, so I hope it isnt that one your having trouble with. If it is, do whatever it takes to source the valve rather than change the pipe. ;)
Yup! That's the one!! If I can't source a new valve I'll attempt to repair the one I've got - I sure as hell ain't gonna tackle the pipe!! :P
Might investigate a breaker if all else fails (to rob the valve off - not for the whole pipe!).
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Contact one of the breakers on here. ;) I dont have one but someone else might.The pipe which comes through the bulkhead and runs along the lower n/s inner wing - under the ABS ECU is not a job for the faint hearted, so I hope it isnt that one your having trouble with. If it is, do whatever it takes to source the valve rather than change the pipe. ;)
Yup! That's the one!! If I can't source a new valve I'll attempt to repair the one I've got - I sure as hell ain't gonna tackle the pipe!! :P
Might investigate a breaker if all else fails (to rob the valve off - not for the whole pipe!).
Take the part number to your local dealer, they'll get one for you in a few days - it comes with a green Viton O seal, so you don't need to order one .... like I did ;D
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Contact one of the breakers on here. ;) I dont have one but someone else might.The pipe which comes through the bulkhead and runs along the lower n/s inner wing - under the ABS ECU is not a job for the faint hearted, so I hope it isnt that one your having trouble with. If it is, do whatever it takes to source the valve rather than change the pipe. ;)
Yup! That's the one!! If I can't source a new valve I'll attempt to repair the one I've got - I sure as hell ain't gonna tackle the pipe!! :P
Might investigate a breaker if all else fails (to rob the valve off - not for the whole pipe!).
Take the part number to your local dealer, they'll get one for you in a few days - it comes with a green Viton O seal, so you don't need to order one .... like I did ;D
Actually plonked my broken one on the parts counter at my local dealer and he just frowned and scratched his head! He pulled up their IPC and it is true - it's not shown as a separate part! To be fair I didn't have a part number to hand but I've tried a couple of online sites since and none of them recognise it.
But I just spoke to AndyC on the phone and he's on the case now. So I'm looking forward to a happy ending very soon!
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But I just spoke to AndyC on the phone and he's on the case now. So I'm looking forward to a happy ending very soon!
As said, he gave me the number. :y :y :y
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author=1234272C1716550 link=1309525980/14#14 date=1309948594]Surprised anyone here would use them - they get such a pasting on this forum!!
Google's good for finding stuff - type in "car aircon kingston"!!
Can I have my thread back now please?[/quote]
Thanks - and sorry! :-[
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I've unscrewed the charging point and taken it to a Vx dealer - it's not listed separately!
This is what it looks like......
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve2.jpg
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/af14/GaryBC/Omega%20Pics/?action=view¤t=Valve1.jpg
It looks to me like there's a shrader valve inside it - but I can't see how to get it out.
Any ideas anyone?
Cheers,
Gaz
It is available separately, I've had one. Give andyc at Drive in Bury St Edmonds a bell 01284 777222, he that sorted out a part number for me. In the mean time I'll have a look through my receipts, but I reckon you'll be faster via Andy :y
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I shouldn't doubt myself! ::)
I think I've found it, it's about the right price but the invoice just has 'valve' on it
Try V0052458177 and in Nov 2008 it was £4.67 +vat :y :y
PS you replace the whole thing. It's the other valve on top of the engine (can never remember which is high & low pressure fill point) that has a separate shrader typre vale in the middle. :y :y
Sorry to be a pain, but could you check your typing please? I've pasted this number into half a dozen or so Vx parts sites and none of them recognise it!
Cheers
Gaz
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Try ditching the start and using just 52458177.
This may help:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243870617/11
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Sorry to be a pain, but could you check your typing please? I've pasted this number into half a dozen or so Vx parts sites and none of them recognise it!
Cheers
Gaz
I'm in work at the moment but will check later. Pretty sure it's right though. Just go into your dealer with it though, that's all I did, & 'my' dealer found it.
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At the risk of hi-jacking this post, anyone know of a good air-con specialist in the Kingston, Surrey area, had mine re-gassed by Kwik-fit (who said their machine wouldn't recharge if there was a leak) It lasted a day! Should've known better!
By the way I did go back to complain and was told "maybe a stone hit the air-con radiator after you drove away!" Yeah right!!
Hi Chris,
we're really concerned to hear about your experience with air-con regass. Please could you private message us your contact number and someone at head office will give you a call?
Kind regards,
Gerry
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At the risk of hi-jacking this post, anyone know of a good air-con specialist in the Kingston, Surrey area, had mine re-gassed by Kwik-fit (who said their machine wouldn't recharge if there was a leak) It lasted a day! Should've known better!
By the way I did go back to complain and was told "maybe a stone hit the air-con radiator after you drove away!" Yeah right!!
Hi Chris,
we're really concerned to hear about your experience with air-con regass. Please could you private message us your contact number and someone at head office will give you a call?
Kind regards,
Gerry
Kwik-Fit my arse. Get a life mate :P
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Sorry to be a pain, but could you check your typing please? I've pasted this number into half a dozen or so Vx parts sites and none of them recognise it!
Cheers
Gaz
Quite sure! ;)
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k17/Tiff4327/scan0002.jpg)
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Thanks to AndyC here for sourcing the right part for me, and to those who directed me at him too!
One last question. Is there a torque setting for tightening this valve? Although the valve itself is quite hard, it screws into a light alloy boss welded to the pipe - easy to screw off if not careful!
My guess would be it's a comparatively low torque setting but I'd like to find out for sure.
Cheers,
Gaz
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One last question. Is there a torque setting for tightening this valve? Although the valve itself is quite hard, it screws into a light alloy boss welded to the pipe - easy to screw off if not careful! ......
No idea about torque settings, but as you say you're screwing it into an ally fitting on a thin walled ally pipe so go easy, little more than a nip is needed - the green Viton O ring is doing the sealing. There's a union underneath for a spanner (17mm :-/ 19mm :-/) to support the pipework while you remove or refit the fill valve. When tightening the valve up just remember that apart from the hassle of fitting the pipe, it's over £100 to buy new. That alone should prevent you from over tightening it. :y :y :y :y
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One last question. Is there a torque setting for tightening this valve? Although the valve itself is quite hard, it screws into a light alloy boss welded to the pipe - easy to screw off if not careful! ......
No idea about torque settings, but as you say you're screwing it into an ally fitting on a thin walled ally pipe so go easy, little more than a nip is needed - the green Viton O ring is doing the sealing. There's a union underneath for a spanner (17mm :-/ 19mm :-/) to support the pipework while you remove or refit the fill valve. When tightening the valve up just remember that apart from the hassle of fitting the pipe, it's over £100 to buy new. That alone should prevent you from over tightening it. :y :y :y :y
Hence the question! :) It was pretty tight to get off but I think that was just age!! (Tighter than I think it should have been - it was a white and three reds to shift the bloody thing!!)