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Title: Brake squeal
Post by: SMD on 30 July 2011, 21:51:11
Fitted new discs and pads around a month ago and gentle the first 150 miles and then started normal braking. Noticed they are squealing today and am a bit pissed off by this because they are GM discs and pads.

Can something be done to make it go away ?


Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: noel on 30 July 2011, 21:56:31
did you put a small amount of grease on backplate of pads ???
this sometimes help IMO.
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: SMD on 30 July 2011, 22:52:14
Yes. This was done at the time of fitting. Would it be worth doing again?
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: noel on 30 July 2011, 23:11:08
possibly i use copper slip if thats any help  :y
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: dazzerM on 30 July 2011, 23:17:56
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possibly i use copper slip if thats any help  :y

I agree copper slip to the backs of the pads - Not the friction part, squealing is usualy the metal on the rear of the pad causing friction against the caliper so this should solve it :y
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Stallion on 31 July 2011, 01:47:16
Even after a 2nd application of copper slip, and still the squel doesnt go then assume that the compound on the pad is damaged and get them returned and replaced!  :y
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Bionic on 31 July 2011, 08:54:29
You should also try looking at the backplate because sometimes the backplate can get slightly warped when changing the pads which then contacts the disk as you drive and so squeals. The braking slightly distorts the disk too because every component that moves has some play in it.
Coppaslip should resolve the problem if it is not the backplate.
Did you also change the disk pad retaining clips too?
Many don't and it is not recommended by the manufacturers. For a few quid its easier then having to redo the job.  ::)
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: SMD on 31 July 2011, 16:49:44
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Even after a 2nd application of copper slip, and still the squel doesnt go then assume that the compound on the pad is damaged and get them returned and replaced!  :y
Thanks for all the comments. Will try copperslip first and maybe chamfer the pads a bit more.

Stallion. Surely I will get told to do one if I try to return the pads. I bought them over a month ago and even then they will try to blame it on the installation.
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Stallion on 31 July 2011, 18:46:12
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Even after a 2nd application of copper slip, and still the squel doesnt go then assume that the compound on the pad is damaged and get them returned and replaced!  :y
Thanks for all the comments. Will try copperslip first and maybe chamfer the pads a bit more.

Stallion. Surely I will get told to do one if I try to return the pads. I bought them over a month ago and even then they will try to blame it on the installation.
Know what you mean, as always!  :y
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: amba on 31 July 2011, 19:23:45
Had same problems here with last 2 sets of GM pads.Despite copperslip and carefull install they squeal when they get hot.

I find that they create a lot of brake dust so in these dry conditions give the disc area a quick blast with some break cleaner every couple of days then rinse with hose pipe.

I think its the extra dust they create..and possibly heavy brake application being an auto.
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Andy B on 31 July 2011, 20:59:18
The only way I found to cure my front (TC) pads from squealing was to replace them with a new set. They've been squeak free now for the past 2/3000 miles.  :y
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: feeutfo on 31 July 2011, 21:51:23
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The only way I found to cure my front (TC) pads from squealing was to replace them with a new set. They've been squeak free now for the past 2/3000 miles.  :y
Iirc,as only two of the pads have shims, there was talk of adding the used shims from the old pads onto the non shimmed pads on the new set, due to an initial squeal from new...?

(the idea being having four pads with shims, the mat black pad thingy stuck on with double sided tape )

Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: feeutfo on 31 July 2011, 21:53:15
Re chamfering, I find the tc pads I've seen already have hhhhyowwwg shammers on already.... No? :-?
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Andy B on 31 July 2011, 22:40:19
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The only way I found to cure my front (TC) pads from squealing was to replace them with a new set. They've been squeak free now for the past 2/3000 miles.  :y
Iirc,as only two of the pads have shims, there was talk of adding the used shims from the old pads onto the non shimmed pads on the new set, due to an initial squeal from new...?

(the idea being having four pads with shims, the mat black pad thingy stuck on with double sided tape )


That rings a distant bell ..............  :-/ but TC pads just have the soft backing on 2 pads don't they  :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: feeutfo on 31 July 2011, 22:52:53
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The only way I found to cure my front (TC) pads from squealing was to replace them with a new set. They've been squeak free now for the past 2/3000 miles.  :y
Iirc,as only two of the pads have shims, there was talk of adding the used shims from the old pads onto the non shimmed pads on the new set, due to an initial squeal from new...?

(the idea being having four pads with shims, the mat black pad thingy stuck on with double sided tape )


That rings a distant bell ..............  :-/ but TC pads just have the soft backing on 2 pads don't they  :-/ :-/ :-/
Yes, so take the backing of the old ones, apply to new ones, making four pads with shims...

Shims, being soft, take the resonance out of the pad to caliper. Usually a soft metal. Although in this case being cheap pads, are a springy tin material with a rubbery type coating of some sort....?

So you didn't stick the old shims on the new unshimmed pads...? By the sound of it..?  ;D
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: Andy B on 31 July 2011, 23:05:08
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So you didn't stick the old shims on the new unshimmed pads...? By the sound of it..?  ;D

I have problems remembering what I had for breakfast these days .................... so pads months ago have no chance  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: feeutfo on 31 July 2011, 23:54:47
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So you didn't stick the old shims on the new unshimmed pads...? By the sound of it..?  ;D

I have problems remembering what I had for breakfast these days .................... so pads months ago have no chance  ::) ::) ::)
Not just me then. Few  ;)
Title: Re: Brake squeal
Post by: TheBoy on 01 August 2011, 08:42:29
Squeal is not something I've suffered from until recently, when I didn't copperslip one of the pads.

Always used TC pads, putting a chamfer on if required (there seems to be at least 2 different types).