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Title: 2.5 manual against 3.0 auto - the test !
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 06:43:57
Last night, Markie and I had the chance to test miggy against miggy on an empty dual carraigeway back from Oxford private road.

I was in my facelift 2.5 manual, he was in the 3.0 Auto Elite Estate.

We must have both been thinking the same thoughts at the lights... which miggy is quicker!

Well, to begin with the 3.0 got away a little quicker.. but I gave the 2.5 everything it had, and I definately had the leading edge. Grinning, I changed from 2nd to 3rd gear at just under the red line, and booted it in third.

Thinking "I'll leave it behind me".. the 3.0 suddently came effortlessly sailing past me  >:(

I kept pulling in 3rd gear to just under 90mph, and then gave up, 'cos the Elite was practically on the horizon, and it was obvious which car was quicker.

Bearing in mind that the 3.0 Estate doesn't yet have the multirams properly working!

The 2.5 is not slow, and is running very nicely, so there's obviously a big improvement between the two engines?

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Post by: Andy B on 03 February 2008, 06:53:26
There's no substitute for cubes ....  ;)
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Post by: zippo on 03 February 2008, 06:53:31
the more of your posts i read the more i think your mad as a hatter
 ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: 2.5 manual against 3.0 auto - the test !
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 07:05:16
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the more of your posts i read the more i think your mad as a hatter
 ;D ;D ;D :y

Me? I'm a sane, respectable member of the community  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: motmann on 03 February 2008, 09:02:52
have owned ford xr, capri 2.8 inj, sapphire cosworth, 800 vitesse sport etc, get to drive a lot of cars thru work but trust me james for an "old un" my 3.0 auto estate is quite a quick old bus!! the thing i remember years ago when i first drove one was the chassis and how it handled for a big heavy car and how solid it felt. :y
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Post by: Markie on 03 February 2008, 09:31:33
I would agree with that conclusion - about the cars not bout being mad as a hatter..... :-/

Having owned a 2.5 manual and currently with a 2.5 auto and 3.0 auto the 3`s just seem more angry and eager...

Now back to being as mad as a hatter, James,  didnt you once change a vectra radiator in Fort William, in January, at a campsite with a £9.99 argos toolkit ? ???
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 09:38:40
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Now back to being as mad as a hatter, James,  didnt you once change a vectra radiator in Fort William, in January, at a campsite with a £9.99 argos toolkit ? ???

I kid you not... and I got some right funny looks when I pulled off the front bumper to get the aircon condensor out ;D
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 09:41:06
I also re-fitted a PAS pump using just an adjustable spanner, when it "Fell off" going up the M72 ;D
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Post by: Danny on 03 February 2008, 09:58:53
tis a bit annoying to realise my car has this power too, since i have no where to play, i dont own a private road like you do :y ;D
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 10:20:57
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tis a bit annoying to realise my car has this power too, since i have no where to play, i dont own a private road like you do :y ;D

You're welcome to come and use the A40 my private road any day, Danny :y
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Post by: Crazydad on 03 February 2008, 10:22:32
Well the test on the Private road was very Interesting, i would never , of thought that there would be such a difference between 3 and 2.5.

I didnt actually realise, that there were so many Private roads around your area where you could get up to speeds of 100 plus.
And for that matter Traffic lights too     lmao :y
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Post by: zippo on 03 February 2008, 10:28:11
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I also re-fitted a PAS pump using just an adjustable spanner, when it "Fell off" going up the M72 ;D

i rest my case, sorry James you is nuts ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 February 2008, 10:29:45
We need to get my AP22 performance meter out some time, James, and add a 3.2 auto and a Westfield to the 'stats. [smiley=evil.gif]

Kevin
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 10:30:27
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I also re-fitted a PAS pump using just an adjustable spanner, when it "Fell off" going up the M72 ;D

i rest my case, sorry James you is nuts ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey, it got me another 120 odd miles up to Fife - without having to call the AA!

Trying to get the adjustable down in the wing to take the tension off the aux belt pulley was a nightmare though.!
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Post by: TheBoy on 03 February 2008, 11:58:27
I would agree with that - the 2.5 manual should get off the line quicker (manual and lower geared), but when the 3.0 starts to sing, its off.


Be aware that our Thames Valley friends are having a little crackdown, and one of the bridges near the Witney turn on your private road is a favourite hiding place...


I've had funny looks removing Omega bumpers on a campsite before as well.  People simply don't understand ;D
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 12:01:33
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Be aware that our Thames Valley friends are having a little crackdown, and one of the bridges near the Witney turn on your private road is a favourite hiding place...


 ;D
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Post by: waspy on 03 February 2008, 12:08:59
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I would agree with that - the 2.5 manual should get off the line quicker (manual and lower geared), but when the 3.0 starts to sing, its off.


Be aware that our Thames Valley friends are having a little crackdown, and one of the bridges near the Witney turn on your private road is a favourite hiding place...


I've had funny looks removing Omega bumpers on a campsite before as well.  People simply don't understand ;D

Some things never change, i lived that way for some years back in the early 80's & they would sit there then
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Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 February 2008, 12:24:54
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We need to get my AP22 performance meter out some time, James, and add a 3.2 auto and a Westfield to the 'stats. [smiley=evil.gif]

Kevin

How about a 2.6?
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Post by: Martin_1962 on 03 February 2008, 12:27:40
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I would agree with that - the 2.5 manual should get off the line quicker (manual and lower geared), but when the 3.0 starts to sing, its off.


Be aware that our Thames Valley friends are having a little crackdown, and one of the bridges near the Witney turn on your private road is a favourite hiding place...


I've had funny looks removing Omega bumpers on a campsite before as well.  People simply don't understand ;D

Some things never change, i lived that way for some years back in the early 80's & they would sit there then

I used to deliver from Gloucester to London down the A40 and I knew the road well, good in a loose 2.0 Carlton :-X

I met the user a few months later, he said it went like a rocket :o
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Post by: VXL V6 on 03 February 2008, 12:42:32
When James drove my car he didn't break the speed limit...... it spent more time going sideways than straight ahead!  ;D
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 12:56:36
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When James drove my car he didn't break the speed limit...... it spent more time going sideways than straight ahead!  ;D

I did no such thing ::) ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2.5 manual against 3.0 auto - the test !
Post by: STMO123 on 03 February 2008, 13:26:06
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Last night, Markie and I had the chance to test miggy against miggy on an empty dual carraigeway back from Oxford private road.

I was in my facelift 2.5 manual, he was in the 3.0 Auto Elite Estate.

We must have both been thinking the same thoughts at the lights... which miggy is quicker!

Well, to begin with the 3.0 got away a little quicker.. but I gave the 2.5 everything it had, and I definately had the leading edge. Grinning, I changed from 2nd to 3rd gear at just under the red line, and booted it in third.

Thinking "I'll leave it behind me".. the 3.0 suddently came effortlessly sailing past me  >:(

I kept pulling in 3rd gear to just under 90mph, and then gave up, 'cos the Elite was practically on the horizon, and it was obvious which car was quicker.

Bearing in mind that the 3.0 Estate doesn't yet have the multirams properly working!

The 2.5 is not slow, and is running very nicely, so there's obviously a big improvement between the two engines?


'dangle berries'. You cant drive lad :D

2.5i V6 24V CDX 4d 8.2 s 142 mph 167 bhp

3.0i V6 24V Elite 4d Auto 9.0 s 148 mph 207 bhp



http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=985
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Post by: JamesV6CDX on 03 February 2008, 13:32:47
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'dangle berries'. You cant drive lad :D


Shaddap, Astra Man ;D ;D
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Post by: STMO123 on 03 February 2008, 13:36:06
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'dangle berries'. You cant drive lad :D


Shaddap, Astra Man ;D ;D


You wanna try getting off the line with a 1.6 sewing machine under the bonnet. :-[ :-[ :-[ ;D
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Post by: omega3000elite on 03 February 2008, 13:38:48
The 3.0 auto is quick ......... but try a GSXR - o-60 in 3 secs , 0-100 in 6.5 !!!!!

Thats a better buzz ......... and better mpg !

 ;)
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Post by: Markjay on 03 February 2008, 14:12:18
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There's no substitute for cubes ....  ;)


Or as the yanks say: 'There is no replacement for bigger displacement'...   ;D

said that I am happy with my 2.6  >:(
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Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 February 2008, 14:32:34
The multiram will make bugger all difference under those conditions....as the engine will be permanently above the 4K rpm range it operates in.

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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 03 February 2008, 15:30:21
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Last night, Markie and I had the chance to test miggy against miggy on an empty dual carraigeway back from Oxford private road.

I was in my facelift 2.5 manual, he was in the 3.0 Auto Elite Estate.

We must have both been thinking the same thoughts at the lights... which miggy is quicker!

Well, to begin with the 3.0 got away a little quicker.. but I gave the 2.5 everything it had, and I definately had the leading edge. Grinning, I changed from 2nd to 3rd gear at just under the red line, and booted it in third.

Thinking "I'll leave it behind me".. the 3.0 suddently came effortlessly sailing past me  >:(

I kept pulling in 3rd gear to just under 90mph, and then gave up, 'cos the Elite was practically on the horizon, and it was obvious which car was quicker.

Bearing in mind that the 3.0 Estate doesn't yet have the multirams properly working!

The 2.5 is not slow, and is running very nicely, so there's obviously a big improvement between the two engines?


Even both cars had the same engine and gear ratios,

the difference in clutch,maf, oil,spark conditions and tire friction differences would lead to different timings in the long run..
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Post by: Markjay on 03 February 2008, 15:56:11
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Last night, Markie and I had the chance to test miggy against miggy on an empty dual carraigeway back from Oxford private road.

I was in my facelift 2.5 manual, he was in the 3.0 Auto Elite Estate.

We must have both been thinking the same thoughts at the lights... which miggy is quicker!

Well, to begin with the 3.0 got away a little quicker.. but I gave the 2.5 everything it had, and I definately had the leading edge. Grinning, I changed from 2nd to 3rd gear at just under the red line, and booted it in third.

Thinking "I'll leave it behind me".. the 3.0 suddently came effortlessly sailing past me  >:(

I kept pulling in 3rd gear to just under 90mph, and then gave up, 'cos the Elite was practically on the horizon, and it was obvious which car was quicker.

Bearing in mind that the 3.0 Estate doesn't yet have the multirams properly working!

The 2.5 is not slow, and is running very nicely, so there's obviously a big improvement between the two engines?


Even both cars had the same engine and gear ratios,

the difference in clutch,maf, oil,spark conditions and tire friction differences would lead to different timings in the long run..

..2.5 manual gearbox and final drive has exact same ratios as the AR35? Somehow I doubt it....  ;)
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 03 February 2008, 15:57:28
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Last night, Markie and I had the chance to test miggy against miggy on an empty dual carraigeway back from Oxford private road.

I was in my facelift 2.5 manual, he was in the 3.0 Auto Elite Estate.

We must have both been thinking the same thoughts at the lights... which miggy is quicker!

Well, to begin with the 3.0 got away a little quicker.. but I gave the 2.5 everything it had, and I definately had the leading edge. Grinning, I changed from 2nd to 3rd gear at just under the red line, and booted it in third.

Thinking "I'll leave it behind me".. the 3.0 suddently came effortlessly sailing past me  >:(

I kept pulling in 3rd gear to just under 90mph, and then gave up, 'cos the Elite was practically on the horizon, and it was obvious which car was quicker.

Bearing in mind that the 3.0 Estate doesn't yet have the multirams properly working!

The 2.5 is not slow, and is running very nicely, so there's obviously a big improvement between the two engines?


'dangle berries'. You cant drive lad :D

2.5i V6 24V CDX 4d 8.2 s 142 mph 167 bhp

3.0i V6 24V Elite 4d Auto 9.0 s 148 mph 207 bhp



http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/specs/Summary.aspx?model=985

... but Parkers reckon the 3.2 MV6 gains 4 BHP by not having leather trim :-X

Kevin
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Post by: STMO123 on 03 February 2008, 18:17:06
... but Parkers reckon the 3.2 MV6 gains 4 BHP by not having leather trim

Kevin

Well, it must be right then ::)
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Post by: Crazydad on 03 February 2008, 19:02:42
Steve, how do you like your Astra shit heap then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Golfbuddy on 03 February 2008, 19:08:18
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Steve, how do you like your Astra naff heap then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's not talking to you.  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Crazydad on 03 February 2008, 19:11:30
Nobody is, apart from you lmao 8-)
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Post by: Golfbuddy on 03 February 2008, 19:39:53
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Nobody is, apart from you lmao 8-)

 :'( :'( :'(

 ;D
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Post by: STMO123 on 03 February 2008, 20:25:38
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Steve, how do you like your Astra naff heap then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The astra is fine......thank you for asking. I just get in and drive it, no drama, no worries, no MOT, 38mpg....Yes, just fine :y