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Title: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Marie on 07 February 2008, 18:21:58
oh and every body is intilted to there own opion....

Do you think the boys ( and girls) in the gulf and afgan should be there?
we have no choice and have to go where sent!
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: bob.dent on 07 February 2008, 18:29:43
I think this might put the cat among the pigeons Marie!! ::) Always lots of differing opinions about this subject.

Personally I think we should. Someone has to sort out terrorists and the like. I know it doesn't seem fair on the members of the armed forces and their families, but at the end of the day that's what they get paid for. If you sign up for any of the armed forces you know you're not signing up for a picnic. Now don't get me wrong as I really do admire the job our guys and girls do in these kind of places and I don't think anyone else could do it better.
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 07 February 2008, 18:37:47
Long and very detailed subject..

for Afgan..

Taking short..

Going back in history, Russians opened the pandora box when they

invade Afgan..After USA helped the Talibans with money and guns..

And Talibans become a power in that region and threat  ..

And also help and hide the radical maniacs..


     Besides there are political other factors what I dont want to go

further..

Gulf is another story..

Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Revokev on 07 February 2008, 18:40:43
The only problem with our guys being out there is the fact that they are so under equipped to do their job properly, I am always reading about the shortage of supplies that they need, apparantly they do not have enough machine guns at the moment and have asked the US for some,only to be labelled the Borrowers and the Pentagon to block it.
Someone needs to do something about terrorists and the like and our troops are doing a great job,but for break sake give them the right tools.  >:(  >:(
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Golfbuddy on 07 February 2008, 18:40:55
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Long and very detailed subject..

for Afgan..

Taking short..

Going back in history, Russians opened the pandora box when they

invade Afgan..After USA helped the Talibans with money and guns..

And Talibans become a power in that region and threat  ..

And also help and hide the radical maniacs..


     Besides there are political other factors what I dont want to go

further..

Gulf is another story..


Agreed Cem. Too complex a subject for a simple yes or no answer. And, too many lies told by governments trying to defend their position whichever side of the fence they sit.
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 07 February 2008, 18:43:55
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Long and very detailed subject..

for Afgan..

Taking short..

Going back in history, Russians opened the pandora box when they

invade Afgan..After USA helped the Talibans with money and guns..

And Talibans become a power in that region and threat  ..

And also help and hide the radical maniacs..


     Besides there are political other factors what I dont want to go

further..

Gulf is another story..


Agreed Cem. Too complex a subject for a simple yes or no answer. And, too many lies told by governments trying to defend their position whichever side of the fence they sit.

You summarize up the total story in one sentence that I dont want to say.. :y
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 07 February 2008, 18:46:26
Also add the profits of Multinational Oil Companies,  Gun and ammo

selling companies to complete the picture.

Afgan has another importance..
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 07 February 2008, 18:52:12
Turning back to question ,

there are many sides of the medalion ,

but these regions are critical places where too many political games

are on the table..Fight for freedom is just the nice reason to send

young people to death..But reality is much deeper than that..
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Marie on 07 February 2008, 18:54:42
well said fellas, your right it is a very difficult question and there is no right or wrong answer.

we are so short on supplies it untrue.

thankyu to all those who answered the question and those who looked to .

cheers
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Jim on 07 February 2008, 18:55:33
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oh and every body is intilted to there own opion....

Do you think the boys ( and girls) in the gulf and afgan should be there?
we have no choice and have to go where sent!
What are you in, I'm guessing Navy if your in Gosport ;)
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 07 February 2008, 19:07:27
One important factor I forgot to say..

In middle east , except few countries (you will guess)

mostly they are at the tribe level and not formed within natural

development in history..After the world war 1 and the fall of Ottoman

empire this area is divided into countries by a ruler.. ;D

Just look in the map..
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Marie on 07 February 2008, 19:22:03
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oh and every body is intilted to there own opion....

Do you think the boys ( and girls) in the gulf and afgan should be there?
we have no choice and have to go where sent!
What are you in, I'm guessing Navy if your in Gosport ;)

good guess in the fleet air arm to be precise
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2008, 19:25:00
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the original campaign, I think the forces now need to stay until the respective local authorities can safety run their countries and protect their citizens.

So, currently, yes, I do think the forces need to be there.
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Craig_R on 07 February 2008, 19:28:37
NO I dont think we should be in either country but i support the lads and lasses 100% who are out there.

Craig
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Entwood on 07 February 2008, 19:30:21
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Marie  ...

I don't know if you've seen this yet ...  looks like 3.5% but food and accom going up for those that live in .. :(

http://www.ome.uk.com/downloads/AFPRB%2037th%20Report.pdf

:(

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Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Marie on 07 February 2008, 19:34:13
Cheers i didnt know it was out yet. thanks
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Crazydad on 07 February 2008, 19:44:18
I have been in both  Areas, and have seen some terrible things happening to the civilians in that area.  i agree with people asking questions  about right and wrong, but  I joined the forces knowing that i could be caught up in some serious and dangerous theatres.The people that i have helped were not Interested in Politics, but purely the help that was received.
As for the Government their reasons are completely different and unfortunately we are not asked for our opinion when our Forces are sent somewhere.
Do i think its right?    YES
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: waspy on 07 February 2008, 19:52:01
IMHO. In Afgan, yes, but if & only if our boy's & girl's are allowed to do what their supposed to do & to be supplied with the proper equipment. Then they should be there.

Soddem Insane wanted ousting from Iraq , but it's gone on far too long now. Iv'e a mate thats from Iraq & he's lost most of his family, because of that a%"e & the only family he had left he could only see from across the border. Thats changed now.
The war in the Gulf isn't/wasn't about WoMD, it's about liquid gold.
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Jim on 07 February 2008, 19:59:25
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oh and every body is intilted to there own opion....

Do you think the boys ( and girls) in the gulf and afgan should be there?
we have no choice and have to go where sent!
What are you in, I'm guessing Navy if your in Gosport ;)

good guess in the fleet air arm to be precise

I'm in the Army myself
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Crazydad on 07 February 2008, 20:02:13
yes i agree that the reason for the gulf was purely an economical one pushed by the US, it was the useless tony Blair that was not man enough to say no.
I was one of the first in Kuwait, our equipment was useless, so we borrowed it of the other side >:(
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Jim on 07 February 2008, 20:10:49
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yes i agree that the reason for the gulf was purely an economical one pushed by the US, it was the useless tony Blair that was not man enough to say no.
I was one of the first in Kuwait, our equipment was useless, so we borrowed it of the other side >:(
Agreed, but it's alot better now
Title: Re: here we go? question for you all .....
Post by: Crazydad on 07 February 2008, 20:13:45
And that i am very glad about ;)
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Post by: Jim on 07 February 2008, 20:16:10
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And that i am very glad about ;)
Where in germany are you, I lived in Monchgladbach for 5 years