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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: jules on 11 December 2007, 11:12:29
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Hiya,
I became the proud owner of a 1999 2.0l 16V CDX last night.
It has the CCRT700 stereo.
There is a lead lying in the boot with a black multi plug and a mini coax connector on it.
It seems to come around the back of the windscreen and hangs loose on the left rear of the boot.
Is this a pre-wire for a sat-nav ? I ask because the handbook pack has a sat nav manual in it and I was wondering if it had been removed.
Would the display used for the radio/telephone be the display for a factory sat-nav (Carin)
Could I retrofit it or not ?
Cheers Guys
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I think it's likely to be the pre-wiring for a phone kit as in all Omegas. Think of it as an extra on top of the CCRT700 ;). My car is an Elite & came with the CCRT700 as standard, I suspect yours was fitted as an optional extra, but I still have the pre-wiring in the boot/behind the glove box.
Sat-nav uses a separate screen, that if fitted would be where you have a cubby hole next to the radio. As the Carin is now at least 8 years old I personally wouldn't bother retro fitting it & would buy a Tom Tom/other as the layout & size of the maps are far superior to the carin
[size=14]AIMHO[/size]
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In order to fit the CCRT700, the body loom used also includes the satnav wiring loom and hence the extra spare wires.
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Thanx guys.
So if I wanted to retro fit a carin, then I'd need the CD/brain, a screen and a speaker and a gps.
But not any extra wiring ?
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You also need the dash loom.....the body loom is there though.
Its easier and better to get a tom tom.....
Or you could consider adding an NCDC1100 from a Vectra plus a graphic or colour screen where the mid is....(its a rare mod, not impossible)
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Hate Tom Toms :-/
So to anyone with a 1999 mini-facelift Carin:
Does the CD-Unit mount in the boot or the glovebox ?
Is it controlled by a fixed or removable remote?
Is there a GPS reciever in the ariel on the roof ? (Radio has ONSTAR)
I know the CCRT700 can provide the sat nav audio, but does the built-in GID support a sat-nav input ?
Does anyone know the part-code for the screen that goes where the cuddy is ?
Does anyone have the 'front loom' and or scree for sale ?
Cheers for taking the time to answer.
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Can anyone tell me anything about the screen as fitted to this system (small monochrome adjacent to the stereo)
does anyone have a picture of the connector or socket ?
Does it look similar to this ?
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ten pins at the botton and three on either side of two thicker ones ?
Cheers
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Can anyone tell me anything about the screen as fitted to this system (small monochrome adjacent to the stereo)
does anyone have a picture of the connector or socket ?
Does it look similar to this ?
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ten pins at the botton and three on either side of two thicker ones ?
Cheers
I have a complete Carin system and loom sitting in a box (minus the aerial), if you tell me what Pics you need I can email them to you.
Wont be able to do it till New Year Though.
Chris
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Foget the portable GPS units, Tom Tom and the like - the software is designed for hikers and Bikers and although works reasonably well in most cases for vehicles, it was never designed as such. The government are actually investigating the hand held ones at the moment due to the number of vehicles that are getting stuck down small roads. Not sure what the outcome is going to be, but the portable sat nav companies are panicking furiously, which is why the price is crashing to well under a hundred quid at the moment - they know whats coming!
We were one of the first companies to sell In Car Navigation systems in the UK and remember fondly the early ones that cost near £8K and only covered within the M25
The Carin still stands up fairly well, despite its age, with the only downside being bang up to date software and mapping, but if you trawl the net you can often find it.
A real In car Sat Nav, with gyroscope, speed pulse and a map designed for a large vehicle still costs four figures, and a hand held one for your bike will cost only double figures.
You will get exactly what you pay for !
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I totally agree with Dave, Until recently when I changed the Laguna to an Omega I had a full in dash clarion system and It was superb. (now for sale pm if interested) and I have a Panasonic DVD system still to fit to the Hundy (Been in a box for two years but amazingly still the current model)
I like the completeness of integrated systems, that's why I'm trying to source a carin kit
Cheers
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I totally agree with Dave, Until recently when I changed the Laguna to an Omega I had a full in dash clarion system and It was superb. (now for sale pm if interested) and I have a Panasonic DVD system still to fit to the Hundy (Been in a box for two years but amazingly still the current model)
I like the completeness of integrated systems, that's why I'm trying to source a carin kit
Cheers
I'm with you on this one, the Carin in the box thing is planned to end up in my 2.5td Pre Face lift, plus I've almost got all the bits now to do a NCDC2013 and Colour CID Screen plus a Bose upgrade for my 3.0 MV6 Face Lift Estate.
Chris.
(Jules I've PM'd you re Pic's)
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i have a tomtom1 and think it is awesome a lot better and easier to use than the carin system !! ;D
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Don`t get me wrong, The Tom Tom is a very easy to use unit, and its user interface is stunning. I also sell nearly 50 Tom Toms to every professional In Car Sat Nav, so from that point of view also they are good! I sell virtually all makes from Garmin, Marrelli, and a lot of the independants as well as being an Authourised Installer for practically all makes of the In Car ones also.
But . . . And its a VERY big But . . . .
The mapping is on the Tom Tom / Hand held units is suited to hikers and Bikers and designed for anything smaller than a car that can travel down green lanes and small roads with no regard for obstacles and rights of passage. The car systems give a different sort of priority to the routes they calculate to take into consideration the vehicles being used.
The In Car systems also do not track the route via satellite, but instead use a gyroscope and speed sensor to calculate the position of the vehicle on a pre-loaded Map, and only use the Satellite to confirm the position on the map every thirty seconds or so - unlike the hand held units that have no back up when the sattelites are out of sight, tunnels, tall buildings etc etc.
The car systems do have their flaws also, apart from the price - they are not as easy to input destination data as many of the cheapie Tom Toms are, and mapping upgrades are usually near £100 a time.
In my professional opinion, the ultimate system does not yet exist in the UK, but one day soon, somebody like Blaupunkt, Pioneer, Kenwood or Clarion will take a few minutes out to nick the user interface from the Tom Tom or similar and only then will you end up with a reliable and useable In Car sat nav.
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The In Car systems also do not track the route via satellite, but instead use a gyroscope and speed sensor to calculate the position of the vehicle on a pre-loaded Map, and only use the Satellite to confirm the position on the map every thirty seconds or so - unlike the hand held units that have no back up when the sattelites are out of sight, tunnels, tall buildings etc etc. .......
Ah! So that's how 'she' knew where I was when I was in a tunnel recently.
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Exactly that !
A good OEM system will not have to recalculate a route when it emerges from a tunnel !!
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Most handhelds have some form of dead reckoning, but obviously very basic.
There are only 2 main digital mapping companies, Navteq and Teleatlas, so the maps will be broadly similar.
I don't buy this 'the SatNav sent me up a bridle path' 'dangle berries'. Firstly, whilst there are mapping errors (which will affect all using same maps), in all the time I've been using PDA based SatNav (around 5yrs), it has never sent me up an inpassable road/track. It may have tried a no entry. BUT, even if it did try to sent me up a bridle path, surely anyone over the age of 5 would have the sense to ignore the instruction?
I agree something needs to be done about portable units, esp mounting. The number using windscreen mounts, usually mounted right in field of view, so not only blocking vision, but very distracting as well...
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And here is something that Tomtom and the like can only dream about.:
The Panasonic system i have yet to fit in the hundy, actually 'learns'
What I mean by this is that if you ask it to calculate a route and you then run this route a couple of times but deviate from it's 'best' route then it actually changes it's route to yours.
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Correct (almost!) that there are only two major mapping companies and the maps are indeed similar, however, the difference is the ability to process via a preferred road type for the calculated route, rather than simply a track that does go from a to b. If you have ever seen a HGV Haulage Road atlas, then you will understand better, as although the maps are similar, only certain types of road are deemed navigable.
If you have never been stuck with your sat nav - excellent! However, I could give you details ona daily basis of the lorry drivers down here who are guided down a two way road for a few miles to discover that there are no passing places if there is any traffic coming the other way. Sure you could get an Artic down the road with care, but not if a cyclist was coming the other way and you did`t want to run them down. A portable sat nav would see this as a viable route, wheras the In Car one would see it as an optional route if the larger road and preferred route could not be found. Thats the difference.
And Yes Jules, you are correct about the "Learning" most In Car systems will build up a certain amount of Local Knowledge of the roads you travel down most and the types of road you use most frequently and use this for future route guidance. My Personal favourite is the Blaupunkt DX-V - and for the first three months of use was one of the worst user interfaces around, but now it has built up knowledge of my style of driving, its now coming into its own. The Panasonic is also very similar, after a few months use, it suddenly becomes exceptionally good at guidance. I ran a Tom Tom, a Garmin and a Blaupunkt DX-V simultaneously on a 3200 mile route I drove between the UK and Poland and gave some stunning results - but that is another story completely.
As I previously said, I`m not knocking the Tom Toms, as they are very good at what they do, but simply do not compare to a good In Car system.
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Correct (almost!) that there are only two major mapping companies and the maps are indeed similar, however, the difference is the ability to process via a preferred road type for the calculated route, rather than simply a track that does go from a to b. If you have ever seen a HGV Haulage Road atlas, then you will understand better, as although the maps are similar, only certain types of road are deemed navigable.
If you have never been stuck with your sat nav - excellent! However, I could give you details ona daily basis of the lorry drivers down here who are guided down a two way road for a few miles to discover that there are no passing places if there is any traffic coming the other way. Sure you could get an Artic down the road with care, but not if a cyclist was coming the other way and you did`t want to run them down. A portable sat nav would see this as a viable route, wheras the In Car one would see it as an optional route if the larger road and preferred route could not be found. Thats the difference.
Ah, yes, I was talking from a car point of view, not HGV. Portable (or car factory systems for that matter) are unsuitable for HGV/PSV etc.
As said, no portable system (or car based system either) has never sent me up an unpassable track. The worse it has tried is send me up a no-entry.
But the fact remains that it is a driver aid, not mandatory instructions, and should be treated as such. That goes for factory systems and portables.
The most impressive system I have seen factory fit is one in the (upmarket models) Discovery 3, think its VDO/Siemens. Nice easy to use, and touchscreen. Probably the worse of the 'modern' 'enhanced' ones is the one fitted in the BMW X5, which is clunky and awkward.
For portables, I think TomTom wins on ease and features.
Not had much experience of aftermarket systems lately, so no comments
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But the fact remains that it is a driver aid, not mandatory instructions, and should be treated as such. That goes for factory systems and portables.
Ah ! At Last ! Spread the word and my job will be a whole lot easier !
Here endeth the lesson - my work here is done !!
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But the fact remains that it is a driver aid, not mandatory instructions, and should be treated as such. That goes for factory systems and portables.
Ah ! At Last ! Spread the word and my job will be a whole lot easier !
Here endeth the lesson - my work here is done !!
LOL, it amazes me that anyone could think otherwise.
I've seen the usual trash TV type reports where people get stuck up footpaths and bridleways. You have to wonder, 10 million sperm, and that one was the fastest....
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10 million sperm, and that one was the fastest....
But which navigation system did it use? . . . . .
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Hi jules, just found this post while looking for a map to update my carin before bothering to reinstall it, so hope my info isn't too late to be of use!
yes i had the factory fitted carin in my previous '99 3.0 elite, and when it went to the scrapper i took the time to remove it!! now thinking of putting it in my current motor, but only if i can update the mapping. it was fantastic at getting me home after using old fashioned directions and maps to get to places. Also it worked well as an estimate of how long to get to a destination! got me round some jams as well. i've never used a tomtom, but carin seems more discreet, less nickable, and was good enough!
sorry if i get distracted later on......
Hate Tom Toms :-/
So to anyone with a 1999 mini-facelift Carin:
Does the CD-Unit mount in the boot or the glovebox ?
Mine was in the boot. Where the 5th headrest sits. it's not a small unit but you might be able to fit in glove box if you really wanted.
Is it controlled by a fixed or removable remote?
i had a fixed knob, just to the left of the handbrake. hole necessary! it had a push-click and rotated to select stuff
Is there a GPS receiver in the ariel on the roof ? (Radio has ONSTAR)
i think the roof aerial is just for the phone. I had my satnav receiver behind the dash, simple enough to get to following mr haynes!
I know the CCRT700 can provide the sat nav audio, but does the built-in GID support a sat-nav input ?
didn't know the radio could provide audio - i had a separate small speaker in the passenger footwell. ps what's a GID?!
Does anyone know the part-code for the screen that goes where the cuddy is ?
not off the top of my head - the gear is boxed in the loft at the moment!
Does anyone have the 'front loom' and or scree for sale ?
the loom was tricky to get from round the glove box but managable eventually. if i can't get updated maps then my stuff will be for sale sometime....
Cheers for taking the time to answer.
thought i'd put my answers in lovely blue :)
It has been said that Satnavs will do for Geography learning what calculators have done for Maths - ie we'll be knackered without em in da future! Imagine what you'd do if the thing broke down and you didn't know how to use or even own a map! And it might mean the end of all funny roadsigns! my cousin won't take directions of anybody now he has a tomtom - he follows it rigidly!
As for conversations down the pub -
"oh which way did you go mate? i followed the A452 then the A5, missed out all the bottlenecks" :)
"nah you should've took the A4097 then the A38 mate, been loads quicker" ;D
" i took the scenic A4041 and B52, much nicer" 8-)
" dunno, i just followed the sat nav" :-/
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hmmm.
[size=9]PS don't quote the above route directions, i made them up and probably the roads don't even meet!!![/size]
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found this carin system on fleabay if it's any use?!!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-MV6-Elite-Sat-Nav-display-cd-unit-etc_W0QQitemZ290197917223QQihZ019QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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This is interesting, as when I installed the Navi system in my Omega I had to configure it so that it knew the angle of installation of the unit -- so the gyroscope knows what the inclination angle is relative to the ground. A little gadget was supplied to determine this, easy enough. Likewise you have to drive around for a while to allow it to calibrate the speed pulses, presumably it matches these to the GPS signals to then allow it to determine the distance travelled for each pulse.
Mine also had a wire to connect to the reverse light so it would know when you're reversing! I didn't bother though, too much effort considering I don't make a habit of reversing for any major distance! Didn't seem to cause any problem.
What exactly does it calculate using the gyroscope? I guess it knows when you're going uphill etc, but how does this help?
I did very much like the built-in navi. As mentioned, no problems with poor GPS signals, and I also liked the way it faded the music to the back speakers when making an announcement. I also have a TomTom, and while it's very useful for swapping between cars (I used it on holiday doing an 800 mile road trip in California), the built-in is much more convenient.
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...... and I also liked the way it faded the music to the back speakers when making an announcement......
Mmm? My factory fit sat-nav uses a tuppeny ha'penny speaker in the passenger footwell. If you look in the hand book for the CCRT700 as fitted to mine it mentions 'EXT.VOL' An external source can be fitted to the CCRT700(for example a navigation system)
but according to Vauxahll you can't connect the two? :-? :-? :-?
What do you know that Vauxhall doesn't? :y
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...... and I also liked the way it faded the music to the back speakers when making an announcement......
Mmm? My factory fit sat-nav uses a tuppeny ha'penny speaker in the passenger footwell. If you look in the hand book for the CCRT700 as fitted to mine it mentions 'EXT.VOL' An external source can be fitted to the CCRT700(for example a navigation system)
but according to Vauxahll you can't connect the two? :-? :-? :-?
What do you know that Vauxhall doesn't? :y
my thoughts exactly! it would be ideal to have an option to have the sat nav come through the ccrt700 to save fitting the tuppeny speaker again! - or maybe even switchable to have both?!
and as for gyroscopes, i thought they were only on ships with sails :-?
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What exactly does it calculate using the gyroscope? I guess it knows when you're going uphill etc, but how does this help?
A gyroscope is the most accurate compass that can be ecomonically fitted inside a cubic inch ! More for direction than elevation and the reason the angle adjustment of the main unit is required is due to the low number of sensors inside the gyro - they are generally only on the horizontal plane, so you have to get the angle of the unit adjusted to make sure the sensors are reading most of the time.
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found this carin system on fleabay if it's any use?!!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Omega-MV6-Elite-Sat-Nav-display-cd-unit-etc_W0QQitemZ290197917223QQihZ019QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
it's of much use ta very much
and it's all mine, mine mine mhuahaha :y
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i can hear that evil chuckling from here ;D
man that dirtydawg pushed ya didnt he??!
glad to have found a useful link tho! good luck getting the wiring!
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he was close !
£3 quids more would have had me :)
Now I just hope the connectors in the car fit because the seller is reluctant to provide the rear loom