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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: VXL V6 on 15 December 2008, 17:36:26
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What's involved in the installation of one of these?
I know it has a seperate antenna connection and I presume it plugs into the Telephone prewiring but is there anything else? Is the CAN connection included in the prewiring - I assume it needs CAN to interface to the head unit for the controls????
Also are the units coded? If so can they be uncoded?
Thanks in advance.
Andy.
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Not sure how much wiring in place - its similar connector to MID/GID/CID etc, and will be behind glovebox. If you have to wire yourself, it can be done, like mine, CAN to radio CAN, mute lead not reqd, audio out to radio aux in, mic. Optional connections are diags, airbag, and handset plug.
The telematics is coded in same way as radio/display/cdc.
Its 900Mhz only.
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Not sure how much wiring in place - its similar connector to MID/GID/CID etc, and will be behind glovebox. If you have to wire yourself, it can be done, like mine, CAN to radio CAN, mute lead not reqd, audio out to radio aux in, mic. Optional connections are diags, airbag, and handset plug.
The telematics is coded in same way as radio/display/cdc.
Its 900Mhz only.
900Mhz is fine for me (do you know what class? Hopefully class 2!!).
Already have MIC in courtesy lamp cluster. :y
I would like to try and double head the prewiring cabling (Use an Autolead connected to this at the moment) so I can still use my Nokia CK7W.
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Not sure how much wiring in place - its similar connector to MID/GID/CID etc, and will be behind glovebox. If you have to wire yourself, it can be done, like mine, CAN to radio CAN, mute lead not reqd, audio out to radio aux in, mic. Optional connections are diags, airbag, and handset plug.
The telematics is coded in same way as radio/display/cdc.
Its 900Mhz only.
900Mhz is fine for me (do you know what class? Hopefully class 2!!).
Already have MIC in courtesy lamp cluster. :y
I would like to try and double head the prewiring cabling (Use an Autolead connected to this at the moment) so I can still use my Nokia CK7W.
Check which pins are used for MIC - it makes a difference!
I have mine with telematics and ck7w, but it may not be starightforward - I'm guessing that your autoleads has an isolating tranny on it? I am going down line of a dpdt relay actuated by the Nokia CK7W mute line to overcome the mismatch.
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Yep, autolead has a transformer on it. The simplest option for me may be to just use the +12V/+12V Switched/0V from the prewiring to run the CK-7W (using the standard Nokia Speaker and forgetting the mute).
From memory the courtesy lamp mic is the two centre pins..... I think!
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Yep, autolead has a transformer on it. The simplest option for me may be to just use the +12V/+12V Switched/0V from the prewiring to run the CK-7W (using the standard Nokia Speaker and forgetting the mute).
From memory the courtesy lamp mic is the two centre pins..... I think!
Can still feed the mute into radio to mute it. Your audio tranny may not upset the telematics as much as mine does (mine is prefacelift with built in audio isolator).
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Correction to my earlier post, the built in mic has the two pins to the left connected (couldn't see any numbers by torch light :-[)
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Correction to my earlier post, the built in mic has the two pins to the left connected (couldn't see any numbers by torch light :-[)
OK, it has an amp built in to MIC then, so dead easy to connect telematics :y
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Where does the microphone wire end up on a prewired facelift? Nothing apparent behind the glove compartment unless it's been taped up out of the way somewhere.
I assume the built-in amp is powered by a DC feed up the signal line?
Car has had a mobile phone antenna so I assume the rest of the prewiring is there...
Kevin
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Mic is wired through to the prewiring connector which is taped up above the glovebox with masking tape.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/PhoneInstall3.jpg)
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa163/vxl_v6/PhoneConnector.jpg)
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Ahh, could be I missed it then. Thanks. :y
Kevin
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Ok, now working on the loom, i'm assuming the simplest thing to do is obtain another telemute lead and cut the (rather botched) loom I have obtained to make a prewiring - telematics adapter. I can keep a fairly long length of the CAN cable (presume that's the green and white pair in the toughened outer) to link into the CID/HU.
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Ok, now working on the loom, i'm assuming the simplest thing to do is obtain another telemute lead and cut the (rather botched) loom I have obtained to make a prewiring - telematics adapter. I can keep a fairly long length of the CAN cable (presume that's the green and white pair in the toughened outer) to link into the CID/HU.
I'd use a trafficmaster loom - should be able to pick a full 36 way one cheap.
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I've got one but I just thought that as I have the correct plug for the telematics fully wired that it would be easier to graft that onto a telemute lead?
I'm assuming all I should have left over then would be the CAN wiring?
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I've got one but I just thought that as I have the correct plug for the telematics fully wired that it would be easier to graft that onto a telemute lead?
I'm assuming all I should have left over then would be the CAN wiring?
Telemute going to prewiring in car? Nah, I'd wire it all to back of radio (ie, TM lead)
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OK i'll look into that then!
Next question.... On the rear of the telematics is a 6 pin plug, is this a replication of the external handset pins on the main connector? I would have thought it must be.... wondering if a HSU1 (the privacy handset) from the old Cark-91 could be wired into this?
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OK i'll look into that then!
Next question.... On the rear of the telematics is a 6 pin plug, is this a replication of the external handset pins on the main connector? I would have thought it must be.... wondering if a HSU1 (the privacy handset) from the old Cark-91 could be wired into this?
Sure when I looked, I could find no (Vauxhall) diagrams for that connector.
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After a bit of continuity testing last night I found that all of the ext handset lines (marked hs-) terminate in a seperate plug on the loom that I have.
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Question!!!!!
Which 12V is the switched feed on the telematics? Pin 15 or Pin 16?
Thanks
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Question!!!!!
Which 12V is the switched feed on the telematics? Pin 15 or Pin 16?
Thanks
Neither, both constant 12v from F12
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Cheers TB, another two to solder to the trafficmaster loom then!
How does the unit 'go to sleep' then? CAN communication with the head Unit?
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Cheers TB, another two to solder to the trafficmaster loom then!
How does the unit 'go to sleep' then? CAN communication with the head Unit?
Presumably, yes.
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Guess the only way to tell would be to ring the telematics after the multi-timer has completed.
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Guess the only way to tell would be to ring the telematics after the multi-timer has completed.
Mine is wired as per TIS wiring, and mine appears to partially power down after a set while - certainly goes to voicemail, and texts don't come through until I start and reverse off the drive.
The SOS functionality still works iirc (although I've removed the SOS number and OnStar number so it can't dial)
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Ok, looks like it has a timer of it's own then I guess :y
Nearly completed my loom now, just need to obtain a couple of pins so that I can route the 'Mute' and 'line in' through to the red plug (My TM loom didn't so i'm guessing if I don't wire them through then the prewired socket for the phone kit will be missing them).
I was going to terminate the mic connection with a 2.5mm socket so that the telemute lead I already have could be used to just plug into this rather than hack the prewiring (The Nokia kit uses it's own mic).
I have two wires left - KW2000 and Airbag.....
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Ok, looks like it has a timer of it's own then I guess :y
Nearly completed my loom now, just need to obtain a couple of pins so that I can route the 'Mute' and 'line in' through to the red plug (My TM loom didn't so i'm guessing if I don't wire them through then the prewired socket for the phone kit will be missing them).
I was going to terminate the mic connection with a 2.5mm socket so that the telemute lead I already have could be used to just plug into this rather than hack the prewiring (The Nokia kit uses it's own mic).
I have two wires left - KW2000 and Airbag.....
Did your nokia work with TM loom? I suspect not!
KW2000 goes to same diag line as radio, and airbag I'd need to trace (or leave disconnected - it calls number and transmits gps coords so the OnStar peeps know you've had a bump, and where it happened)
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Ok, looks like it has a timer of it's own then I guess :y
Nearly completed my loom now, just need to obtain a couple of pins so that I can route the 'Mute' and 'line in' through to the red plug (My TM loom didn't so i'm guessing if I don't wire them through then the prewired socket for the phone kit will be missing them).
I was going to terminate the mic connection with a 2.5mm socket so that the telemute lead I already have could be used to just plug into this rather than hack the prewiring (The Nokia kit uses it's own mic).
I have two wires left - KW2000 and Airbag.....
Did your nokia work with TM loom? I suspect not!
KW2000 goes to same diag line as radio, and airbag I'd need to trace (or leave disconnected - it calls number and transmits gps coords so the OnStar peeps know you've had a bump, and where it happened)
Nope, never used the TM through the Head Unit, I used a little amplifier and had it completely seperate hence I never used the TM loom (I bought the loom with an Omega style TM switch as I nicked used the TM from my Vectra).
I won't worry about the Airbag line then (I was wondering what that was for!!!!! LOL)
What pin number is the diag line on the ISO block???
Thanks!
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Ok, looks like it has a timer of it's own then I guess :y
Nearly completed my loom now, just need to obtain a couple of pins so that I can route the 'Mute' and 'line in' through to the red plug (My TM loom didn't so i'm guessing if I don't wire them through then the prewired socket for the phone kit will be missing them).
I was going to terminate the mic connection with a 2.5mm socket so that the telemute lead I already have could be used to just plug into this rather than hack the prewiring (The Nokia kit uses it's own mic).
I have two wires left - KW2000 and Airbag.....
Did your nokia work with TM loom? I suspect not!
KW2000 goes to same diag line as radio, and airbag I'd need to trace (or leave disconnected - it calls number and transmits gps coords so the OnStar peeps know you've had a bump, and where it happened)
Nope, never used the TM through the Head Unit, I used a little amplifier and had it completely seperate hence I never used the TM loom (I bought the loom with an Omega style TM switch as I nicked used the TM from my Vectra).
I won't worry about the Airbag line then (I was wondering what that was for!!!!! LOL)
What pin number is the diag line on the ISO block???
Thanks!
Acknowledged, but don't have time to check diagrams for a while.
36 way TM looms don't carry through the audio/mute signal from phone prewiring to headunit, so you need to mod that (goes through Trafficmaster unit)
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Ok, looks like it has a timer of it's own then I guess :y
Nearly completed my loom now, just need to obtain a couple of pins so that I can route the 'Mute' and 'line in' through to the red plug (My TM loom didn't so i'm guessing if I don't wire them through then the prewired socket for the phone kit will be missing them).
I was going to terminate the mic connection with a 2.5mm socket so that the telemute lead I already have could be used to just plug into this rather than hack the prewiring (The Nokia kit uses it's own mic).
I have two wires left - KW2000 and Airbag.....
Did your nokia work with TM loom? I suspect not!
KW2000 goes to same diag line as radio, and airbag I'd need to trace (or leave disconnected - it calls number and transmits gps coords so the OnStar peeps know you've had a bump, and where it happened)
Nope, never used the TM through the Head Unit, I used a little amplifier and had it completely seperate hence I never used the TM loom (I bought the loom with an Omega style TM switch as I nicked used the TM from my Vectra).
I won't worry about the Airbag line then (I was wondering what that was for!!!!! LOL)
What pin number is the diag line on the ISO block???
Thanks!
Acknowledged, but don't have time to check diagrams for a while.
36 way TM looms don't carry through the audio/mute signal from phone prewiring to headunit, so you need to mod that (goes through Trafficmaster unit)
Cheers TB :y
Yep, been trying to get a couple of connectors so I can pass those two signals on to the red connector....
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Pin 26 I think, looking at my diagram....
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Pin 26 I think, looking at my diagram....
Pin 27, but may depend which way you count.
You will shortly have further info in your PM box...
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Yep! Keep looking back at the pin-outs then looking at the wrong side of the plug when comparing!
Thanks!
Correct glovebox inner is £84.33 inc VAT!!!!